Republicans senators against net neutrality

[smashp]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: smashp


"Fat Dumb Pipes"

I have one word for you

Cloud

Now run along

What the hell are you talking about? In networking terms a cloud is a collection of pipes or a collection of autonomous systems which you do not have administrative control over. What exactly do you mean?

You just proved my point exactly. You Dont have a place in this Argument, because you dont even understand the argument. Technology has left you behind. Resource and application virtulization, SaaS, and cloud computing are removing any chance that you troglodytes will ever gain control over the Median we generally refer to as the Interwebs

You are just another Corporate Whore or a self hating Basement Dweller that cant stop yourself from Playing World of Warcraft and Downloading Porn.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: JS80
I'm against net neutrality and I'm not on the telecom dole.

Ok, I'll bite. Why would you be against a well thought out and implemented Net Neutrality law or FCC ruling?

Just to piss off the Torrent leeches that I indirectly subsidize.

You're a petty, vicious little fsck, aren't you?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: smashp


"Fat Dumb Pipes"

I have one word for you

Cloud

Now run along

What the hell are you talking about? In networking terms a cloud is a collection of pipes or a collection of autonomous systems which you do not have administrative control over. What exactly do you mean?

I think he's saying that you're a fat, dumb pipe. Or maybe you're smoking one?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: smashp


"Fat Dumb Pipes"

I have one word for you

Cloud

Now run along

What the hell are you talking about? In networking terms a cloud is a collection of pipes or a collection of autonomous systems which you do not have administrative control over. What exactly do you mean?

You just proved my point exactly. You Dont have a place in this Argument, because you dont even understand the argument. Technology has left you behind. Resource and application virtulization, SaaS, and cloud computing are removing any chance that you troglodytes will ever gain control over the Median we generally refer to as the Interwebs

You are just another Corporate Whore or a self hating Basement Dweller that cant stop yourself from Playing World of Warcraft and Downloading Porn.

WoW nerds and Porn DLers would benefit greatly from NN. You fail.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: JS80
I'm against net neutrality and I'm not on the telecom dole.

Ok, I'll bite. Why would you be against a well thought out and implemented Net Neutrality law or FCC ruling?

Just to piss off the Torrent leeches that I indirectly subsidize.

You're a petty, vicious little fsck, aren't you?

And you're just a fuckface. Poopoo head.

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

You're a petty, vicious little fsck, aren't you?

And you're just a fuckface. Poopoo head.

And here we have the current state of American politics.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: smashp


"Fat Dumb Pipes"

I have one word for you

Cloud

Now run along

What the hell are you talking about? In networking terms a cloud is a collection of pipes or a collection of autonomous systems which you do not have administrative control over. What exactly do you mean?

You just proved my point exactly. You Dont have a place in this Argument, because you dont even understand the argument. Technology has left you behind. Resource and application virtulization, SaaS, and cloud computing are removing any chance that you troglodytes will ever gain control over the Median we generally refer to as the Interwebs

You are just another Corporate Whore or a self hating Basement Dweller that cant stop yourself from Playing World of Warcraft and Downloading Porn.

WoW nerds and Porn DLers would benefit greatly from NN. You fail.

Reading Comprehension FMW

 

[bfdd]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: smashp


"Fat Dumb Pipes"

I have one word for you

Cloud

Now run along

What the hell are you talking about? In networking terms a cloud is a collection of pipes or a collection of autonomous systems which you do not have administrative control over. What exactly do you mean?

You just proved my point exactly. You Dont have a place in this Argument, because you dont even understand the argument. Technology has left you behind. Resource and application virtulization, SaaS, and cloud computing are removing any chance that you troglodytes will ever gain control over the Median we generally refer to as the Interwebs

You are just another Corporate Whore or a self hating Basement Dweller that cant stop yourself from Playing World of Warcraft and Downloading Porn.

What does application virtualization have to do with saturating a pipe? We have had those problems up the ass here at work all sorts of virtualizing going around and we saturated our network here at work till it was unuseable. IT who is to lazy to load balance etc decided just to throw a faster switch at the problem. Guess what people are doing now? Trying to push more data through.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: bfdd

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: smashp


"Fat Dumb Pipes"

I have one word for you

Cloud

Now run along

What the hell are you talking about? In networking terms a cloud is a collection of pipes or a collection of autonomous systems which you do not have administrative control over. What exactly do you mean?

You just proved my point exactly. You Dont have a place in this Argument, because you dont even understand the argument. Technology has left you behind. Resource and application virtulization, SaaS, and cloud computing are removing any chance that you troglodytes will ever gain control over the Median we generally refer to as the Interwebs

You are just another Corporate Whore or a self hating Basement Dweller that cant stop yourself from Playing World of Warcraft and Downloading Porn.

What does application virtualization have to do with saturating a pipe? We have had those problems up the ass here at work all sorts of virtualizing going around and we saturated our network here at work till it was unuseable. IT who is to lazy to load balance etc decided just to throw a faster switch at the problem. Guess what people are doing now? Trying to push more data through.

Sounds Like you work with a bunch of retards, you should fit right in

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: JS80
I'm against net neutrality and I'm not on the telecom dole.

Ok, I'll bite. Why would you be against a well thought out and implemented Net Neutrality law or FCC ruling?

Just to piss off the Torrent leeches that I indirectly subsidize.

You'd rather stay with the less efficient method of file transfers, instead of continuing the advancement of the Internet?

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
I don't see how anyone can be stupid enough to not support net neutrality.

Because it would HARM consumers. That's why. Here's what happens when you treat all traffic the same.

1) You need bigger and bigger connections across the entire network = higher cost to consumers and still best effort delivery for voice/video.
2) Advanced services like providing rock solid delivery of voice/video have to compete with granma's email download. If her packets are in front of yours, hers are delivered first. Your voice/video get delayed.

Why would anybody NOT want high quality voice and video over The Internet and at the same time increase costs? Imagine HD video conferencing - not going to happen without guaranteeing service for the call. Net Neutrality would prevent that from a technology perspective.

Supporters want "fat dumb pipes". That ONLY leads to higher prices and less performance for voice/video. Voice/video need special treatment/thoughout the network to work their best. That's what I want and what everybody should want, just say no to net neutrality and YES to the future of The Internet.

...are you serious?

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: bamacre
What if an ISP wants to offer a low-end connection for say, $10 a month, that provides access only to certain sites? Would they be allowed to do that under the Net Neutrality law?

Maybe arms manufactures will start giving out cookies and balloons?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: smashp


Sounds Like you work with a bunch of retards, you should fit right in

I'm fully aware of application virtualization and the partnership between Cisco and VMware, I was just in a meeting with product managers from both this week and what is going on in the industry and where they are going. What the hell does that have to do with net neutrality? Your video conferencing call isn't going to "punt it to the cloud!", it's a station to station conversation.

You sound like a typical developer who thinks all resources are infinite, including bandwidth. They are not.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: bamacre
What if an ISP wants to offer a low-end connection for say, $10 a month, that provides access only to certain sites? Would they be allowed to do that under the Net Neutrality law?

Maybe arms manufactures will start giving out cookies and balloons?

Mmmm, cookies.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: cyclohexane
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What's their reason for being against Net Neutrality? Too much illegal money from telecom companies? Pathetic.

No, more like they realize the advancement of The Internet has to provide quality of service to voice, video and data traffic and in order to to that you have to treat different traffic differently.

You DO NOT WANT net neutrality. It is a terrible concept to The Internet and it's advancement. You don't want all your traffic treated "equally" and "fairly".

Seems to work so far?
Seriously though, as I said in other threads, I honestly don't like either side of this debate and honestly do not believe that either has free uncensored fair for the people access on their agenda.

It looks to me that two different organizations are arguing over competing ways to make money.

 

[Modelworks]

I understand what spidey is saying and yes there does need to be some form of QoS but the problem is if you give them the ability to use QoS they will use it to promote their own services while slowing down others. Keeping them honest about how they use the system would be a nightmare . How many think time warner cable would put a connection going to netflix ahead of their own video streaming service ?

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: smashp


Sounds Like you work with a bunch of retards, you should fit right in

I'm fully aware of application virtualization and the partnership between Cisco and VMware, I was just in a meeting with product managers from both this week and what is going on in the industry and where they are going. What the hell does that have to do with net neutrality? Your video conferencing call isn't going to "punt it to the cloud!", it's a station to station conversation.

You sound like a typical developer who thinks all resources are infinite, including bandwidth. They are not.

Hardly, I am a Datacenter Conslutant who specializes in sqeezing water from rocks, mainly because of developers


Oh and keep talking more and more about your Knob gobble Session you had with a sales rep trying to slide you into some Cisco and Vmware Support contracts, Your too stupid to understand if he is selling you what you need, or what he needs.

You keep showing more and more you just dont get it. Maybe you need more meetings to keep you up to date on the Industry

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

You're a petty, vicious little fsck, aren't you?

And you're just a fuckface. Poopoo head.

And here we have the current state of American politics.

If only. 'Likes to pal around with terrorists', illiterate nuts who don't read as VP nominee, 'kill him' at the mention of Obama's name, Fox tea baggers are more it.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit

Originally posted by: JS80
I'm against net neutrality and I'm not on the telecom dole.

Ok, I'll bite. Why would you be against a well thought out and implemented Net Neutrality law or FCC ruling?

Just to piss off the Torrent leeches that I indirectly subsidize.

So you are telling me you have never used bittorrent for anything?

I do understand where the anger is coming from though, I get annoyed when my roommate starts up torrents.

Back in college I admit I downloaded movies/music through file sharing programs. But I never did a torrent.

When was college? 1990? Old man get off our internets you are clogging our ports with your slow old timey ways.

Torrents are file sharing just more advanced. I do respect that you actually admit your own former illegal activity. Most just like to pretend and continue to be hypocrites.

Torrents do serve a great purpose. They are quick, easy, safe ways to access things at "Our" speed. I personally use them as a means to access media, I would have had no other way of accessing. For instance, I have been looking for Xmen the animated series (The 90's cartoon) for about 5-6 years now. Disney, who owns the rights, refuses to release the whole series and instead chooses to lock away a part of my childhood. I would buy the series in a second if I had the opportunity, much like I did with Batman: The animated series (again, the 90's version) but it is out of my hands.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

You're a petty, vicious little fsck, aren't you?

And you're just a fuckface. Poopoo head.

And here we have the current state of American politics.

If only. 'Likes to pal around with terrorists', illiteate nuts who don't read as VP nominee, 'kill him' at the mention of Obama's name, Fox tea baggers are more it.

Oh the irony :laugh: :laugh: If I didn't know you were a partisan tool, I'd almost say you posted that as parody.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: smashp


Sounds Like you work with a bunch of retards, you should fit right in

I'm fully aware of application virtualization and the partnership between Cisco and VMware, I was just in a meeting with product managers from both this week and what is going on in the industry and where they are going. What the hell does that have to do with net neutrality? Your video conferencing call isn't going to "punt it to the cloud!", it's a station to station conversation.

You sound like a typical developer who thinks all resources are infinite, including bandwidth. They are not.

Hardly, I am a Datacenter Conslutant who specializes in sqeezing water from rocks, mainly because of developers


Oh and keep talking more and more about your Knob gobble Session you had with a sales rep trying to slide you into some Cisco and Vmware Support contracts, Your too stupid to understand if he is selling you what you need, or what he needs.

You keep showing more and more you just dont get it. Maybe you need more meetings to keep you up to date on the Industry

Actually this meeting was me telling both of them (product managers, not sales reps I've known for years) I don't like where the PMs are going because of the data replication needed between VMs to support their high availability (syncing memory state). So just stop the dick wagging and agree both of us know what we're talking about.

 

[jackschmittusa]

spidey07

Maybe you can explain why internet services work so well, so cheaply in Europe without all of the crap that the corporations want to do here.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I understand what spidey is saying and yes there does need to be some form of QoS but the problem is if you give them the ability to use QoS they will use it to promote their own services while slowing down others. Keeping them honest about how they use the system would be a nightmare . How many think time warner cable would put a connection going to netflix ahead of their own video streaming service ?

The same people that think Private Insurance has their best interest in mind and huge investment firms actually give a damn about any pissant below them.

Edit: Oh and Trickle down Reagonomics somehow get to employees when there are so many yacht fleets to maintain.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: smashp

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: smashp


Sounds Like you work with a bunch of retards, you should fit right in

I'm fully aware of application virtualization and the partnership between Cisco and VMware, I was just in a meeting with product managers from both this week and what is going on in the industry and where they are going. What the hell does that have to do with net neutrality? Your video conferencing call isn't going to "punt it to the cloud!", it's a station to station conversation.

You sound like a typical developer who thinks all resources are infinite, including bandwidth. They are not.

Hardly, I am a Datacenter Conslutant who specializes in sqeezing water from rocks, mainly because of developers


Oh and keep talking more and more about your Knob gobble Session you had with a sales rep trying to slide you into some Cisco and Vmware Support contracts, Your too stupid to understand if he is selling you what you need, or what he needs.

You keep showing more and more you just dont get it. Maybe you need more meetings to keep you up to date on the Industry

Actually this meeting was me telling both of them (product managers, not sales reps I've known for years) I don't like where the PMs are going because of the data replication needed between VMs to support their high availability (syncing memory state). So just stop the dick wagging and agree both of us know what we're talking about.

Yeah that New Memory Sync for Continuous availability is the suck.

But as always, Give me an SLA and ill Give you a price

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
The telco are scared to death of neutrality. The reason is because for years they have charged people for landlines and phone services. Made 5000% profits off features like call waiting. Duped the taxpayers out of billions and now they have a problem. Land line use is dropping so fast that they can't record the figures. Cell phones are the main cause but so is voip.

Cable has a similar problem. People are starting to watch more entertainment online and dropping paid programming.

And on the other side of the issue now with net neutrality your voip and internet tv services are struggling to come through steadily because all your neighbors have bittorrent running transferring terabytes of free porn, while all also simultaneously glued to a youtube video of a frat boy hitting himself with a baseball bat. Your voip call is being broken up because of that.

Oh yea, no reason at all why an ISP would like to have a little bit of control, they just want to screw Modelworks out of as much of his paycheck as they can legally get away with :roll: