Republicans, please explain the Behghazi outrage to me

[Matt1970]

Your internal avoidance mechanisms are either beyond your control or you're deliberately obtuse. You claim that the Repeal of Glass Steagal is what caused the whole mess, and even Repub intellectuals say that's wrong. But you still believe it's true, because it's convenient for you to do so, bolstering your defective worldview.

You could answer the question I posed to incorruptible, but you won't, of course, at least not in an honest way. When you're dishonest with yourself, you're incapable of being honest with others, but that doesn't seem to bother you at all.

You'll cling to any conspiracy theory distraction served up by your idols, like this whole charade over the incident at Benghazi. It helps you avoid the truth, helps you avoid looking at your most cherished beliefs in anything other than a cursory fashion.

I am tired of educating you and I haven't avoided Jack Shit. Take your blinders off and start looking at facts, not just facts that support your cause. Yes Bush has his share of blame but you constantly shoulder the entire event on him. There was a lot of shit in place well before he took office that took a lot larger share of the blame.

Many believe that the Act directly helped cause the 2007 subprime mortgage financial crisis. President Barack Obama has stated that GLB led to deregulation that, among other things, allowed for the creation of giant financial supermarkets that could own investment banks, commercial banks and insurance firms, something banned since the Great Depression. Its passage, critics also say, cleared the way for companies that were too big and intertwined to fail.[22] Economists Robert Ekelund and Mark Thornton have also criticized the Act as contributing to the crisis. They state that "in a world regulated by a gold standard, 100% reserve banking, and no FDIC deposit insurance" the Financial Services Modernization Act would have made "perfect sense" as a legitimate act of deregulation, but under the present fiat monetary system it "amounts to corporate welfare for financial institutions and a moral hazard that will make taxpayers pay dearly."[23]

Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz has also argued that the Act helped to create the crisis.[24] In an article in The Nation, Mark Sumner asserted that the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act was responsible for the creation of entities that took on more risk due to their being considered “too big to fail."[25] Other critics also assert that proponents and defenders of the Act espouse a form of "eliteconomics" that has, with the passage of the Act, directly precipitated the current economic recession while at the same time shifting the burden of belt-tightening measures onto the lower- and middle-income classes.[

 

[monovillage]

Repubs control the HOR, so they're obviously free to do so. OTOH, when it's all said & done, they will have discovered two things that aren't already known- jack, and shit.

It's pure pandering & posturing in desperate search of an "issue", one to distract the electorate from their ongoing scam of demanding sacrifice from everybody but the Rich, and from their own delusional & ideologically driven leadership that created the current economic mess.

Bullshit, this is a story that is being covered by every major network and it's increasing over time as the Obama administration keeps doubling down on stupid and keeps trying to cover up and stonewall any kind of investigation. I sure as hell see you and other lefties trying to divert this topic away from Benghazi and the total fucking failure of Obama and his administration.

“Neither I nor anyone else in the administration intended to mislead the American people at any stage in the process,” said Ms. Rice, who was accompanied at the 10 a.m. meeting by the acting director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Michael J. Morell.

But Mr. Morell reinforced the perception of an administration that cannot get its story straight by asserting during the meeting that the F.B.I. had modified Ms. Rice’s talking points by removing a specific reference to Al Qaeda. At 4 p.m., the senators said in a statement, the C.I.A. called to notify them that Mr. Morell had erred, and that the agency had made the change, not the bureau.

“We are disturbed by the administration’s continued inability to answer even the most basic questions about the Benghazi attack and the administration’s response,” the senators said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/28/u...cans-say-concerns-grow-over-rice.html?hp&_r=0

 

[rockyct]

Yawn, this will quiet down in a week or two when there is real shit to get down with the sequestration cuts. The only reason why this is still in play is that Obama wanted to give the GOP the big middle finger and put Rice in as SoS. This issue would have been dead a couple weeks ago if he were floating John Kerry as SoS instead.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Yawn, this will quiet down in a week or two when there is real shit to get down with the sequestration cuts. The only reason why this is still in play is that Obama wanted to give the GOP the big middle finger and put Rice in as SoS. This issue would have been dead a couple weeks ago if he were floating John Kerry as SoS instead.

You don't have much experience with conservative talk, do you? See Whitewater/Lewinski/Vince Foster. They can keep things going with nothing but insinuation for years.

 

[Jhhnn]

Bullshit, this is a story that is being covered by every major network and it's increasing over time as the Obama administration keeps doubling down on stupid and keeps trying to cover up and stonewall any kind of investigation. I sure as hell see you and other lefties trying to divert this topic away from Benghazi and the total fucking failure of Obama and his administration.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/28/u...cans-say-concerns-grow-over-rice.html?hp&_r=0

The whole attack on Rice is a diversion away from the actual incident at Benghazi. Notice that all the blather about how the Admin refused help, total bullshit, has fallen away and we're left with a few Repub luminaries picking at the details of Rice's initial statement, none of which changes what actually happened or the truth about the perps. They've been reduced to a witch hunt as to who changed what details prior to Rice's prepared statement. Repubs even admit to such in their references to Bush's appointment of Yosemite Sam, Sam Bolton, as UN ambassador.

It's not about Benghazi, never was, but rather about Romney's candidacy & now Repub backbiting. They want to dictate Neocon foreign policy & pick Hillary's successor as SoS in an attempt to usurp Obama's authority to do so, despite the electorate rejecting them twice in a row.

 

[mosco]

It all makes sense now.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-november-28-2012/legends-of-the-fault

 

[Ausm]

Dodging the question, I see.

Who's the hack?

Glass Steagall? Notice the author-

http://www.american.com/archive/2012/august/five-myths-about-glass-steagall

LMAO That dude actually believes this shit????

 

[Incorruptible]

The fact that obama pos tried to blame the video instead of radical Muslims is the real issue but these idiot liberals will never blame the radical Muslims, cant offend them

 

[sigurros81]

Didn't I destroy you in that other thread? She blamed the movie instead of radical Muslims. She should be fired for this incompetence not promoted

Still waiting for examples of how you destroyed someone in other threads.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The plot thickens....

http://larouchepac.com/node/24545

McCain, Rogers Question DNI Clapper's Reversal of Testimony

On Nov. 20, CBS News reported that the office of James Clapper, the politically appointed Director of National Intelligence, edited the talking points on Benghazi before they were passed on to Susan Rice.

Late last week, GOP leaders said the edit was likely made by a White House panel, dubbed the deputies committee.

But CBS wrote that the White House or State Department did not make those changes.

The problem is that this report from CBS contradicts evidence from hearings last week before both the Senate and House Intelligence Committees, in which several senior intelligence officials, including Clapper, declared they did not know who had made the edits.

Sen. John McCain responded to the CBS report as follows: "I participated in hours of hearings in the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence last week regarding the events in Benghazi, where senior intelligence officials were asked this very question, and all of them — including the Director of National Intelligence himself — told us that they did not know who made the changes."

"The statement released Monday differs significantly from information provided in testimony to the Committee last week," Susan Phalen, spokeswoman for the House Intelligence Committee, told CBS News.

"Chairman [Mike] Rogers looks forward to discussing this new explanation with Director Clapper as soon as possible to understand how the DNI reached this conclusion and why leaders of the Intelligence Community testified late last week that they were unaware of who changed the talking points," said Phalen.

 

[First]

^ Huh? That's a week old, adds nothing new and the source link is suspect at best.

DSF, you've really fallen off. I remember when you at least attempted to write decent posts.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

^ Huh? That's a week old, adds nothing new and the source link is suspect at best.

DSF, you've really fallen off. I remember when you at least attempted to write decent posts.

This source better?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_...nghazi-talking-points-and-cia-fbi-signed-off/

The info is actually new to me as I haven't been following this story closely and I didn't see it previously discussed in this thread.

Sorry about falling off...but I'm glad to hear that you've thought some of my previous posts were decent. It's all about time.

 

[First]

This source better?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_...nghazi-talking-points-and-cia-fbi-signed-off/

The info is actually new to me as I haven't been following this story closely and I didn't see it previously discussed in this thread.

Sorry about falling off...but I'm glad to hear that you've thought some of my previous posts were decent. It's all about time.

Yeah again, a CBS article with inside sources is nothing new and does not prove anything one way or another.

 

[rockyct]

You don't have much experience with conservative talk, do you? See Whitewater/Lewinski/Vince Foster. They can keep things going with nothing but insinuation for years.

Of course, they can keep with this over the next few years, but the media is pretty much done with the story once the decision over the next SoS is done. That's the only reason why the story is still semi-active.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Yeah again, a CBS article with inside sources is nothing new and does not prove anything one way or another.

Agree that it doesn't prove anything but it does bring up the issue of potentially serious conflicts in testimony made by the DNI. All I want to know is what happened.

 

[First]

Agree that it doesn't prove anything but it does bring up the issue of potentially serious conflicts in testimony made by the DNI. All I want to know is what happened.

Same here. Investigations take a while, and we probably won't know for a while.

 

[monovillage]

Same here. Investigations take a while, and we probably won't know for a while.

You honestly expect this administration to investigate this administration about errors, mistakes and cluster fucks that this administration made?
Honestly? Never mind, i forgot for a minute what a partisan lying asshole you are, you never honestly do anything.

 

[First]

You honestly expect this administration to investigate this administration about errors, mistakes and cluster fucks that this administration made?
Honestly? Never mind, i forgot for a minute what a partisan lying asshole you are, you never honestly do anything.

Rich coming a self-admitted troll:

My core issue it to try to be honest, especially about my partisanship.

 

[monovillage]

Another article, how much fun is this?
What the President Said About Benghazi
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...the_president_said_about_benghazi_116299.html

 

[First]

^ lulz troll can't even cite specifics.

Love how this story is dying.

 

[Fern]

^ lulz troll can't even cite specifics.

Love how this story is dying.

It's not going to die, not for a while.

More important questions remain: (1) the matter of insufficient security and denied requests, and (2) lack of any 'rescue response'.

The latter really bugs me. We've got a bazillion dollar military and we can't protect our State Dept facilities and US citizens? For what seems like a decade now all we've heard is talk of re-tooling our military for current conditions that require we be able to quickly respond to terrorist threats, and less focus on big ground wars etc. Seriously? We still still haven't developed that capability yet?

Fern

 

[monovillage]

It's not going to die, not for a while.

More important questions remain: (1) the matter of insufficient security and denied requests, and (2) lack of any 'rescue response'.

The latter really bugs me. We've got a bazillion dollar military and we can't protect our State Dept facilities and US citizens? For what seems like a decade now all we've heard is talk of re-tooling our military for current conditions that require we be able to quickly respond to terrorist threats, and less focus on big ground wars etc. Seriously? We still still haven't developed that capability yet?

Fern

Another one of the things that bothers me is that days/weeks after the attacks there were still secret documents and the Ambassadors journal just laying around the site and this administration never seemed to care enough about security to even send people in to take care of critical business.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57518464/cnn-defends-report-based-on-chris-stevens-diary/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...1a-b868e65d57eb_story.html?wpisrc=al_national

 

[zinfamous]

The fact that obama pos tried to blame the video instead of radical Muslims is the real issue but these idiot liberals will never blame the radical Muslims, cant offend them

talking points.

please, provide some substance for once.

 

[First]

It's not going to die, not for a while.

More important questions remain: (1) the matter of insufficient security and denied requests, and (2) lack of any 'rescue response'.

The latter really bugs me. We've got a bazillion dollar military and we can't protect our State Dept facilities and US citizens? For what seems like a decade now all we've heard is talk of re-tooling our military for current conditions that require we be able to quickly respond to terrorist threats, and less focus on big ground wars etc. Seriously? We still still haven't developed that capability yet?

Fern

There is nothing particularly controversial about a failure of the military to perform their duty in dangerous situations. It happens all the time. Doesn't mean they're incompetent; more likely than not it means we don't have all the information, given the classified nature of much of this. Which is why all this hype on the part of some is absolutely reprehensible. The fact that we've spent this much time on Libya shows a complete lack of intellectual dishonesty on the part of the people blowing this up. There's literally nothing here based on the little we know, and those who hyped it will just look silly when all is said and done after the investigation months/year(s) from now. Hopefully they'll have a modicum of courage and come here to face the music.

 

[werepossum]

There is nothing particularly controversial about a failure of the military to perform their duty in dangerous situations. It happens all the time. Doesn't mean they're incompetent; more likely than not it means we don't have all the information, given the classified nature of much of this. Which is why all this hype on the part of some is absolutely reprehensible. The fact that we've spent this much time on Libya shows a complete lack of intellectual dishonesty on the part of the people blowing this up. There's literally nothing here based on the little we know, and those who hyped it will just look silly when all is said and done after the investigation months/year(s) from now. Hopefully they'll have a modicum of courage and come here to face the music.

So this is the military's failure now? Is this the latest official lie, or are you freelancing with this one?

Personally I think we should have a pool to guess when the administration gets around to blaming natural causes or mass suicide.