Republicans, please explain the Behghazi outrage to me

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  1. Mxylplyx

    Mxylplyx Diamond Member

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    I see fox news and some of my conservative associates go on and on about Benghazi, but for the life of me I cant see what the supposed conspiracy is based on. Usually a conspiracy is based on a motive, ie "Bush the oil man wants Iraq's oil". In the case of Behghazi, it seems to me that Republicans noticed that there were some conflicting messages coming out of the state department over the motives for the embassy attack, and started constructing a conspiracy around that. Given the proximity of the Libya attack with the Egyptian embassy attack that supposedly WAS related to the video, it doesn't seem all that implausible to assume they were related, though the state department should not operate off assumptions. What concrete facts have come out so far that suggests that this is some kind of cover up, as opposed to simply negligence? Also, do you believe that fox news being the only news organization to relentlessly cover this confirms their claims of a liberal media bias, or is fox news simply driving a story it's readers would like to believe?
     
  2. lotus503

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    Yeah I've been wondering since this started what the end game here is?

    I mean is it that the administration
    May have tried to pawn it off on the video while knowing it was a terror attack?

    Is that it?
     
  3. Gonad the Barbarian

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    People died, Obama lied, and that's way worse than the other way around.
     
  4. halik

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    Manufacturer outrage and distraction to real issues. See Terry Shiavo, War on Xmas etc
     
  5. piasabird

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    President lied, people died.
     
  6. piasabird

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    A man was thrown in jail as a political prisoner.
     
  7. EagleKeeper

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    How much was lied about to protect the administration and ensure the chance of a second term.

    Everytime a new piece of info was revealed by sources to the public; the administration spun a different story.

    On the surface the admin reaction seems to be designed to put off any disclosure until after the election and minimize/deflect what was exposed as twisted and irrelevant.
     
  8. Ausm

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    "Black guy won" nuff said!
     
  9. tydas

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    So, what exactly was being hidden?
     
  10. lotus503

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    So it's the fact it happened near election time? The fact they may have tried to spin the negative press and points to minimize impact to the campaign?

    I'm just trying to understand.
     
  11. lotus503

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    Wouldn't it be more in line with people died and the president lied?
     
  12. tydas

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    What he lie about?
     
  13. emperus

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    You have to be smarter than this.
     
  14. Agent11

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    It's just a disgusting politicization of a tragic event. About par for the course for Republicans.
     
  15. EagleKeeper

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    The above is what I believe.

    The administration screwed up due to a flawed policy of appeasement related to the Arab spring.
    As a result people died.
    The administration then tried to cover up the flawed policy and spin multiple and conflicting tales on what actually happened and when it happened.
    For every story that they tell, to close a hole; it opens up another.

    It seems to have been a stonewall to not allow the people to know the failure of the administration.

    Have they so little faith in the american people? Not very open or transparent.:colbert:
     
  16. CycloWizard

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    Obama's response was simple obfuscation: he didn't want to be culpable for a terror attack shortly before an election. I don't see this as particularly damning against him. Instead, it simply coincides with his norm of "translucent" government in which he promises transparency but everything he gives us is horribly scattered and distorted. This would hurt his credibility with ardent Democrats if they really cared about government transparency but in the end, people only seem to care about the opposition being transparent: they have complete faith that their guy will do the right thing. The irony is that, if he were doing the right thing, then there is no reason for a lack of transparency in the first place.
     
  17. emperus

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    Please explain this flawed policy of appeasement. Give some examples and explain how they would have caused this situation.
     
  18. emperus

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    So you believe that they thought the true story wouldn't have been leaked. That Obama is that incompetent he would believe that Fox News and Romney wouldn't then try to politicize it when the truth came out. Or there wouldn't be any leaks in the Military Complex that favors Republicans? And seeing Romney's initial overreaching outburst on it, when it eventually came out they lied there wouldn't be hell to pay.

    Or is it easier to believe that there was some covert CIA action going on that the CIA/military was somehow trying to spin as not to cause collateral issues elsewhere.
     
  19. piasabird

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    What didnt the president lie about?

    Petreus said what rice was given was talking points.
    Petreus said that the CIA knew it was a terrorist attack within 24 hours.
    Part of the testimony was a video they showed at the security Breifing. I kind of wonder what video was presented.

    The big question is why did the president Lie?
    Why does the President always give aid and support to our enemies?
     
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  20. waggy

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    the outrage? people died. it could have been prevented. there was no excuse for allowing them to get killed. they could have gotten protection or pulled them out. that is bullshit on how it went down.

    as for president lieing yeah..he is a politician. until he is under oath and does it not much people can do.
     
  21. Matt1970

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    Obama just made a speech where he said Al-Qaeda was on the run. This attack pops up and instead of dealing with it appropriately which could have been a big victory for Obama, he decided to do nothing and then afterwards blame it on a YouTube video that had been out for months. If it worked he remains the defeater of Al-Qaeda. Besides, you can&#8217;t question anything the President does. That makes you a dog-whistle racist, liar and America hater.
     
  22. Agent11

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    You guys make me sick. Keep trying to manufacture a scandal, it speaks volumes for your character.
     
  23. Phokus

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    So your argument is that he's an honest idiot rather than a smart liar? I care very little about this "scandal" but from what I've read, it seems very clear that he knew what was going on well in advance of his press conference and made a calculated decision: I think he knew more people whose votes might be altered by this issue were watching his press conference than watch Fox News. It was a shrewd political decision. Democrats will pretend that he didn't know because they believe he has a lot of integrity (he doesn't) while Republicans will harp on the issue because they were unable to effectively use it against him to turn the tide of the election. In the end, I have little use for either group and simply call it how I see it: Obama did what he had to do just as Romney would have done in the same situation.
     
  25. Jaskalas

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    The administration tried to frame an innocent American who still remains in jail.