Republicans losing their resolve on Obamacare, losing their votes, and losing face.

[soundforbjt]

Republicans need to have their plan in hand before gutting ACA imo.

They've had seven years to come up with one...

 

[Thump553]

The core of this issue is people know they need healthcare.
Democrats resolve to find a way, even horrible, corrupted, and compromised ones.

Republicans want "government out" of healthcare. People to fend for themselves.
That's at odds with the electorate. Delivering on it would be... unpleasant.

If the GOP honestly wants government out of healthcare, it's a simple process:

1) First and foremost, take away the corporate income tax deduction for employers deducting monies paid for healthcare/insurance benefits for their employees. This is a major reason why we have such an expensive, bloated healthcare system today-the vast number of people have no idea what their health care really cost-they just know what their deductible is.

2) Eliminate healthcare benefits for all government employees except military personnel on active duty (there healthcare should be treated as the equivalent of workers comp-you get shot on the job, your employer picks up the bill).

3) Eliminate VA health benefits, medicare and medicaid.

4) Optional but very drastic-take a good close look at our intellectual property laws and modify or delete those creating medical monopoly rights.

There you go, government out of medicine. The likely result, at least for a few decades, would be unprecedented economic collapse and restructuring of society, but so be it-we would then be purportedly ideologically pure.

What the GOP and it's voters really wants is government out of healhcare for other people. Hopefully it dawns on them that they very well may fall into the class of the screwed people.

The Democrats took Romneycare-a GOP plan to its core-and made it national. Certainly a compromise, not sure why or how you label it corrupted.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

They've had seven years to come up with one...

How about we give them a chance. I understand that they currently have 9 potential bills in legislative language. You're throwing tomatoes before the play even starts.

 

[fskimospy]

How about we give them a chance. I understand that they currently have 9 potential bills in legislative language. You're throwing tomatoes before the play even starts.

You realize that they have been claiming an alternative plan that the Republican Party would get behind has been imminent for about a half decade now, right? The play started seven years ago.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You realize that they have been claiming an alternative plan that the Republican Party would get behind has been imminent for about a half decade now, right? The play started seven years ago.

Did they have direction from the president-elect 7 years ago? He hasn't even taken office yet and you've got it all figured out. Amazing.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Did they have direction from the president-elect 7 years ago? He hasn't even taken office yet and you've got it all figured out. Amazing.

So after 50 votes to repeal over the last 7 years they were just waiting until now to have a plan to replace it? They've been saying for years they had one, would have one etc...

 

[K1052]

So after 50 votes to repeal over the last 7 years they were just waiting until now to have a plan to replace it? They've been saying for years they had one, would have one etc...

But now that Trump is president there are going to be options that don't resemble the ACA but will keep all the good stuff because reasons.

 

[jackstar7]

Did they have direction from the president-elect 7 years ago? He hasn't even taken office yet and you've got it all figured out. Amazing.

There's this meme about going full retard. I think it's from a movie.

Short version: don't do it.

 

[brycejones]

But now that Trump is president there are going to be options that don't resemble the ACA but will keep all the good stuff because reasons.

Yes! Trump fixes all!

 

[Commodus]

Did they have direction from the president-elect 7 years ago? He hasn't even taken office yet and you've got it all figured out. Amazing.

Do they have direction from the President-elect now? I'm sure not seeing any.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So after 50 votes to repeal over the last 7 years they were just waiting until now to have a plan to replace it? They've been saying for years they had one, would have one etc...

There are several bills that have already been drafted and they're being massaged as we speak to suit the president-elect. So eager to criticize you are. They need to get this right and they know it...as they no longer have the luxury of political posturing. Let's see the facts before we start lynching anybody.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Do they have direction from the President-elect now? I'm sure not seeing any.

I guess he forgot to include you in the loop. You're too funny.

 

[Pens1566]

Since when is P(E)OTUS direction required to introduce legislation?

 

[Lash444]

Did they have direction from the president-elect 7 years ago? He hasn't even taken office yet and you've got it all figured out. Amazing.

What does that matter? It didn't matter who was elected. If it was Hillary would their stance have changed? If Obamacare is as big of a tragedy to the constituents as the Republicans make it out to be, wouldn't you be working double time to come up with something that works? Where is that plan?

You knew before 2016 ever came...every single Republican President was going to repeal Obamacare. You knew it would be one of the number one topics at the debates. If its THAT big of a deal...don't you THINK they should have a plan ready to go?

You know it, we know it...they don't have shit. At best, its 80% Obamacare. If it is 80% Obamacare, why not just amend the current plan rather than scrapping it?

That is right... because all the D** S*****' Fans out there wouldn't be sucking it all up if that was the case.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Since when is P(E)OTUS direction required to introduce legislation?

His direction isn't "required" per se...and nobody said that. But it's a damn good idea to make sure you've got legislation Trump will likely sign before you introduce it...no?

 

[desura]

You know, this 2013 Douthat column is remarkably prescient.

http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/22/why-not-medicaid-for-all/?_r=0

 

[SMOGZINN]

There are several bills that have already been drafted and they're being massaged as we speak to suit the president-elect.

The President Elect does not need a healthcare plan. He is rich and has his own private plan. I don't think he cares about anything he does not personally need.

 

[jackstar7]

His direction isn't "required" per se...and nobody said that. But it's a damn good idea to make sure you've got legislation Trump will likely sign before you introduce it...no?

Is that what Congress does? Doesn't seem that way...

 

[Pens1566]

His direction isn't "required" per se...and nobody said that. But it's a damn good idea to make sure you've got legislation Trump will likely sign before you introduce it...no?

That falls apart, literally, when you consider they attempted 50+ repeals KNOWING there was no way in hell that Obama would sign. Political theater is good, sometimes, right?

 

[Jhhnn]

How about we give them a chance. I understand that they currently have 9 potential bills in legislative language. You're throwing tomatoes before the play even starts.

Gotta love it. 9 potential bills means "Plan? What plan?"

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The President Elect does not need a healthcare plan. He is rich and has his own private plan. I don't think he cares about anything he does not personally need.

Your insight is much appreciated and speaks volumes about you.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

How about we give them a chance. I understand that they currently have 9 potential bills in legislative language. You're throwing tomatoes before the play even starts.

as much of a chance as they gave Obama.

 

[fskimospy]

His direction isn't "required" per se...and nobody said that. But it's a damn good idea to make sure you've got legislation Trump will likely sign before you introduce it...no?

Except of course Republicans repeatedly claimed that they had their own alternative that was almost ready... for years and years while never producing one. They clearly didn't think that having legislation the president would sign was a necessary condition so why are you trying to claim they did?

 

[Commodus]

I guess he forgot to include you in the loop. You're too funny.

Well, right now his plan amounts to "get rid of Obamacare and... I got nothing."

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

That falls apart, literally, when you consider they attempted 50+ repeals KNOWING there was no way in hell that Obama would sign. Political theater is good, sometimes, right?

We'll see what falls apart when it happens. I totally get that Republicans were angry over ACA...but, if it is any consolation, I do agree that they greatly overplayed the political theater.