Republicans know they're in trouble once the website problems are solved

[Matt1970]

On the surface yes complaining about the Michelle Obama school connection seems lame.... Until you look at the way this company was awarded the contract. Then the accusations of cronyism seem very valid.

Yes and no. Exactly how close of classmates were they? A lot of people went to her school during the time she was there. And that company was already "IN" with the government before Obama was even in office.

 

[MagickMan]

We didn't experience a meltdown, did we? obviously not. That's the kind of shutdown I referenced, not the quit paying the bills entirely scenario that was threatened.

Don't be obtuse, OK?

Obviously, there was some economic pain involved, but this habit of holding the economy hostage every time the debt ceiling approaches must end if we're to avoid a lot more pain down the road.

Congress knew full well that the ceiling would necessarily be broached when they appropriated the money in the bills they passed. That's the time to address spending rather than attempting to welch on commitments later on. Anything else is dishonest, merely an excuse for posturing & pandering.

Multiple shutdowns over several months won't cause harm? Are you entirely stupid? Every economist this side of the Atlantic was bug-eyed over just the one, almost in a fit of panic. Do you realize the fucking impact of a loss in rating from an AAA to an AA+ or even an AA, and what that does to our bond rates, how that affects our long term rates and adds 100s of $Billions on to our loans over time?

Yes, you are a complete imbecile. Please shut your mouth regarding the economy, you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Jhhnn]

Multiple shutdowns over several months won't cause harm? Are you entirely stupid? Every economist this side of the Atlantic was bug-eyed over just the one, almost in a fit of panic. Do you realize the fucking impact of a loss in rating from an AAA to an AA+ or even an AA, and what that does to our bond rates, how that affects our long term rates and adds 100s of $Billions on to our loans over time?

Yes, you are a complete imbecile. Please shut your mouth regarding the economy, you have no idea what you're talking about.

First you claimed meltdown, but now it's "harm". I acknowledged harm from the Teahadists' actions, pointed out that so long as Repubs hold the majority in the HOR that we'll see the same harm over & over again.

Therefore, it seems best if they'll pull the same stunt a couple of times again before the election, just so that voters get sick & tired of their shit, vote them out. If not, look forward to it ad infinitum.

Dealing with them is like feeding the bears- the more they get, the more they want & the less likely they'll be reasonable next time around.

 

[compuwiz1]

First you claimed meltdown, but now it's "harm". I acknowledged harm from the Teahadists' actions, pointed out that so long as Repubs hold the majority in the HOR that we'll see the same harm over & over again.

Therefore, it seems best if they'll pull the same stunt a couple of times again before the election, just so that voters get sick & tired of their shit, vote them out. If not, look forward to it ad infinitum.

Dealing with them is like feeding the bears- the more they get, the more they want & the less likely they'll be reasonable next time around.

Sorry, but the Obamacare debacle, as it get's uglier by the moment, will kill the democRats in the mid terms. Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Marc Rubio and Rand Paul are out for the kill.... and rightfully so. They are getting stronger and have increasing support. Both the House GOP and the Senate Dems have to go. There is just too much cronyism going on and these old fucks have over stayed their welcome. Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein need to be put out. John McCain and Boehner have to go too.

All extreme liberals were either blocked or unfriended on my FB page today. Sadly, some of them were family. The direction our country is headed is just too important to not do anything about it. These blocks included my own mother.

Another friend, who I grew up with, decided that it is time for the USA to adopt European Socialism. Yeah, that is the typical lefty position, which greatly undermines American principles. So my message to his ilk was simple: In reponse to someone I know, someone born here, as a US Citizen, wanting us, (our country) to hurry up and succumb to European democratic socialism, I have words. Over my dead body and several million others!!! The USA is a Constitutional Republic and will remain that way. Any effort to change this will result in people taking up arms. Not gonna happen, you're outnumbered and we will take you out. It's that simple! This is not a democracy. Usurpers of the constitution will pay.

We're on the brink and there isn't much more that "we the people" are going to tolerate, before things escalate.

 

[Jhhnn]

Sorry, but the Obamacare debacle, as it get's uglier by the moment, will kill the democRats in the mid terms. Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Marc Rubio and Rand Paul are out for the kill.... and rightfully so. They are getting stronger and have increasing support. Both the House GOP and the Senate Dems have to go. There is just too much cronyism going on and these old fucks have over stayed their welcome. Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein need to be put out. John McCain and Boehner have to go too.

All extreme liberals were either blocked or unfriended on my FB page today. Sadly, some of them were family. The direction our country is headed is just too important to not do anything about it. These blocks included my own mother.

Another friend, who I grew up with, decided that it is time for the USA to adopt European Socialism. Yeah, that is the typical lefty position, which greatly undermines American principles. So my message to his ilk was simple: In reponse to someone I know, someone born here, as a US Citizen, wanting us, (our country) to hurry up and succumb to European democratic socialism, I have words. Over my dead body and several million others!!! The USA is a Constitutional Republic and will remain that way. Any effort to change this will result in people taking up arms. Not gonna happen, you're outnumbered and we will take you out. It's that simple! This is not a democracy. Usurpers of the constitution will pay.

We're on the brink and there isn't much more that "we the people" are going to tolerate, before things escalate.

Nice of you to tell us what you really believe, even though it's totally delusional.

You're *not* the majority. In truth, you represent an extreme minority.

So, uhh, you'll kill us all if you don't get your way? Funny that. If you really were in the majority, you'd merely need to vote, something apparently lost on you. The fact that you'd resort to such threats tells us just how much you actually respect truly American values, which is not at all.

 

[Siddhartha]

After they fix the website, the Republicans will find something else to be outraged about. Hey has there a been a House committee investigation on Benghazi recently?

 

[shira]

Sorry, but the Obamacare debacle, as it get's uglier by the moment, will kill the democRats in the mid terms. Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Marc Rubio and Rand Paul are out for the kill.... and rightfully so. They are getting stronger and have increasing support. Both the House GOP and the Senate Dems have to go. There is just too much cronyism going on and these old fucks have over stayed their welcome. Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein need to be put out. John McCain and Boehner have to go too.

All extreme liberals were either blocked or unfriended on my FB page today. Sadly, some of them were family. The direction our country is headed is just too important to not do anything about it. These blocks included my own mother.

Another friend, who I grew up with, decided that it is time for the USA to adopt European Socialism. Yeah, that is the typical lefty position, which greatly undermines American principles. So my message to his ilk was simple: In reponse to someone I know, someone born here, as a US Citizen, wanting us, (our country) to hurry up and succumb to European democratic socialism, I have words. Over my dead body and several million others!!! The USA is a Constitutional Republic and will remain that way. Any effort to change this will result in people taking up arms. Not gonna happen, you're outnumbered and we will take you out. It's that simple! This is not a democracy. Usurpers of the constitution will pay.

We're on the brink and there isn't much more that "we the people" are going to tolerate, before things escalate.

"We're on the brink"????

You're reading too many posts on too many tea-party websites.

No, we're not "on the brink." The U.S. is not about to collapse. We're not headed toward an armed insurrection. We're not headed toward another dark ages.

Take a couple of sedatives, get a good night's rest, and relax. Everything will be OK. I promise.

 

[yllus]

Sorry, but the Obamacare debacle, as it get's uglier by the moment, will kill the democRats in the mid terms. Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Marc Rubio and Rand Paul are out for the kill.... and rightfully so. They are getting stronger and have increasing support. Both the House GOP and the Senate Dems have to go. There is just too much cronyism going on and these old fucks have over stayed their welcome. Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein need to be put out. John McCain and Boehner have to go too.

All extreme liberals were either blocked or unfriended on my FB page today. Sadly, some of them were family. The direction our country is headed is just too important to not do anything about it. These blocks included my own mother.

Another friend, who I grew up with, decided that it is time for the USA to adopt European Socialism. Yeah, that is the typical lefty position, which greatly undermines American principles. So my message to his ilk was simple: In reponse to someone I know, someone born here, as a US Citizen, wanting us, (our country) to hurry up and succumb to European democratic socialism, I have words. Over my dead body and several million others!!! The USA is a Constitutional Republic and will remain that way. Any effort to change this will result in people taking up arms. Not gonna happen, you're outnumbered and we will take you out. It's that simple! This is not a democracy. Usurpers of the constitution will pay.

We're on the brink and there isn't much more that "we the people" are going to tolerate, before things escalate.

The march of globalization and technology may simply mean that the American ideal of individualism is on its way out. We may all need to accept that as our skills get automated into obsolescence, the few dollars that still get made will need to be distributed widely. Or we'll have to figure out some entirely new method of distribution of limited resources.

Socialism is one solution to a growing problem (fewer and fewer of us are useful as productive workers). If you have a better one, speak up - and take note that simply denying reality in the way that you are isn't a solution.

 

[unokitty]

What could possibly go wrong?

Uno

 

[Matt1970]

The march of globalization and technology may simply mean that the American ideal of individualism is on its way out. We may all need to accept that as our skills get automated into obsolescence, the few dollars that still get made will need to be distributed widely. Or we'll have to figure out some entirely new method of distribution of limited resources.

Socialism is one solution to a growing problem (fewer and fewer of us are useful as productive workers). If you have a better one, speak up - and take note that simply denying reality in the way that you are isn't a solution.

Have you done the math on your income distribution on a global scale? In 2012, the GWP totaled approximately US$85trillion. Divide that up evenly to the 7 Billion people on the planet and you have $12,000.

Also keep in mind that a great many people rely on earnings from previous years for future growth so the next year those totals are likely to drop. Do you still want to push for Socialism on a global scale or do you want to set the borders a little differently?

 

[Genx87]

After they fix the website, the Republicans will find something else to be outraged about. Hey has there a been a House committee investigation on Benghazi recently?

We should all be outraged the govt spent 630 million tax dollars on a website that doesn't work very well. And now they want to spend more to fix their fuck up.

But I do agree the Republicans shouldn't put all their eggs into this basket. Because eventually it will be fixed. And once that is fixed then what?

 

[Jhhnn]

We should all be outraged the govt spent 630 million tax dollars on a website that doesn't work very well. And now they want to spend more to fix their fuck up.

But I do agree the Republicans shouldn't put all their eggs into this basket. Because eventually it will be fixed. And once that is fixed then what?

With any luck, they'll be eating crow, and choking on it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Have you done the math on your income distribution on a global scale? In 2012, the GWP totaled approximately US$85trillion. Divide that up evenly to the 7 Billion people on the planet and you have $12,000.

Also keep in mind that a great many people rely on earnings from previous years for future growth so the next year those totals are likely to drop. Do you still want to push for Socialism on a global scale or do you want to set the borders a little differently?

Who said global scale?

Truth is, is we divide it all up on a global scale, the much worshipped Job Creators will leave us less than that, after taking a big fat cut off the top.

 

[yllus]

Have you done the math on your income distribution on a global scale? In 2012, the GWP totaled approximately US$85trillion. Divide that up evenly to the 7 Billion people on the planet and you have $12,000.

Also keep in mind that a great many people rely on earnings from previous years for future growth so the next year those totals are likely to drop. Do you still want to push for Socialism on a global scale or do you want to set the borders a little differently?

Who says I'm pushing for anything? What I do see is more and more people being out of work due to automation and globalization; those jobs aren't coming back, ever. One day we'll have to balance the world's limited resources against the fact that our current system of entitlement to those resources based on our productivity is going to stop working for a majority of people.

Socialized wealth is one answer to that, but as your quick math notes, Vishnu help us if it comes to that. I know what isn't a solution, though - saying nonsense like "the USA is a Constitutional Republic and will remain that way". It's a nice slogan, but when 50.1% of America is unemployed we'll see how long tradition for the sake of tradition lasts.

 

[Jhhnn]

Who says I'm pushing for anything? What I do see is more and more people being out of work due to automation and globalization; those jobs aren't coming back, ever. One day we'll have to balance the world's limited resources against the fact that our current system of entitlement to those resources based on our productivity is going to stop working for a majority of people.

Socialized wealth is one answer to that, but as your quick math notes, Vishnu help us if it comes to that. I know what isn't a solution, though - saying nonsense like "the USA is a Constitutional Republic and will remain that way". It's a nice slogan, but when 50.1% of America is unemployed we'll see how long tradition for the sake of tradition lasts.

It didn't take 50.1% unemployment in the early part of the Great Depression. It was ~25%.

Being a Constitution Republic doesn't really matter, given that the Constitution has been amended many times and can be amended again should the people wish to do so.

You are correct that our traditional concepts of work & ownership break down in the face of offshoring & automation at the level of multinational corporatism. We need to assert ownership at the national level, so that the much worshipped Job Creators are bound to this country more tightly, so that they better appreciate the protections we provide to their global enterprises & their domestic holdings.

 

[Matt1970]

Who says I'm pushing for anything? What I do see is more and more people being out of work due to automation and globalization; those jobs aren't coming back, ever. One day we'll have to balance the world's limited resources against the fact that our current system of entitlement to those resources based on our productivity is going to stop working for a majority of people.

Socialized wealth is one answer to that, but as your quick math notes, Vishnu help us if it comes to that. I know what isn't a solution, though - saying nonsense like "the USA is a Constitutional Republic and will remain that way". It's a nice slogan, but when 50.1% of America is unemployed we'll see how long tradition for the sake of tradition lasts.

Oh sure, you are all for Socialism when it stays within the borders that lift your class up. Expand it to include classes that will bring you down and you want no part of it.

 

[MagickMan]

First you claimed meltdown, but now it's "harm". I acknowledged harm from the Teahadists' actions, pointed out that so long as Repubs hold the majority in the HOR that we'll see the same harm over & over again.

Therefore, it seems best if they'll pull the same stunt a couple of times again before the election, just so that voters get sick & tired of their shit, vote them out. If not, look forward to it ad infinitum.

Dealing with them is like feeding the bears- the more they get, the more they want & the less likely they'll be reasonable next time around.

Again, you aren't paying a bit of attention to my comments about the credit rating, you're caught up in this stupid debate over ideology and trying to score imaginary points on the interwebs. It's like speaking to a damned wall. It takes decades sometimes to build that back up to a AAA, it's not like sprucing up your personal credit score to get a lower car payment. Every downgrade in our country rating is Billions and Billions of $$ each year in interest paid on our debt, of which the ceiling was just raised to $17 TRILLION. That was the slide that killed Greece, they wouldn't address their spending and policies (paying for public entitlements on credit, sound familiar?) they let their ratings slide, then they couldn't afford the interest anymore. They defaulted and then crashed, hard, and that left the rest of the EU to bail them out or cut them loose, altogether.

We don't have partners like that to dig us out of this hole, we screw around and start shorting our payments, which a few downgrades would likely lead to, and we're right and truly fucked in the ass.

 

[yllus]

Oh sure, you are all for Socialism when it stays within the borders that lift your class up. Expand it to include classes that will bring you down and you want no part of it.

Sure, of course - isn't that true for everyone except the greatest of saints?

I don't know what point you think you're making - I'm simply pointing out that at some point in the future, automation and globalization are going to put enormous amounts of people out of work. At that point capitalism will cease to function and we're going to have to figure out a new paradigm for resource distribution.

 

[Matt1970]

Sure, of course - isn't that true for everyone except the greatest of saints?

I don't know what point you think you're making - I'm simply pointing out that at some point in the future, automation and globalization are going to put enormous amounts of people out of work. At that point capitalism will cease to function and we're going to have to figure out a new paradigm for resource distribution.

Not really. I may not have much but I am happy with what I have. I earned it. I don't want what others have out of "fairness"

Yes automation will put people out of work. It been happening for a long time. Wind mills and water mills reduced demand for labor centuries ago. The strong will survive, people adapt. They find other lines of work. There's the service industry, the trades, repair work, sales, distribution, start your own business. Whatever. I think I read the majority of people will have 4 separate careers in their lifetime.

If you live and die by the availability of one line of work and you are unwilling to adapt, get your hands dirty or sweat you are at great risk of relying on the table scraps of others. The vast majority of us don't want that.

 

[schmuckley]

"We're on the brink"????

You're reading too many posts on too many tea-party websites.

No, we're not "on the brink." The U.S. is not about to collapse. We're not headed toward an armed insurrection. We're not headed toward another dark ages.

Take a couple of sedatives, get a good night's rest, and relax. Everything will be OK. I promise.

You sir..need to wake up.Obama's intent is to crash the dollar and downgrade the US's credit rating.He was giggling like little schoolgirl during the shutdown.The LAST THING this country needs is government expansion.We cannot afford the current government,and they keep spending and stealing our money like it's never going to end.There will be
Martial law.

What needs to be done about health care is this:Make bribery illegal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/29/b...of-corporate-campaign-contributions.html?_r=0

Insurance companies have been bribing politicians to vote to raise their rates for ..going on 25 years now.The insurance companies and politicians should be held accountable.I'd say disband them..make them refund all that they can to their policy holders and start afresh.Also do NOT allow politicians to accept money from large corporations.They should lose their seat if they do.

 

[Matt1970]

Regardless of what you hear anywhere I can assure you neither side wants to crash the dollar.

 

[Mark R]

This thing wasnt about healthcare. It was designed so the government could take over the healthcare industry and hand out 2.4 trillion dollars a year to their favorite campaign donors.

This.

The thing about this take over of the insurance industry is that it is broken and can't work. The whole point of insurance is so that premiums represent the risk that you represent, with a bit of smoothing over the population.

Health insurance, despite a lot of sharp practice, is actually quite competitive. Under obamacare, the amount of competition is greatly reduced, and increased regulation requires much more "smoothing" of premiums.

The net result is that the financial model used for calculating premiums in obamacare policies is dramatically different to conventional health insurance.

The different model means huge savings for a 55 year old male smoker with high cholesterol, early diabetes and hypertension; their premium might go from $800 per month to $500, while providing dramatically more coverage.

However, at the same time, a 20 year old male with no medical problems and in excellent health seems the opposite effect. Under obamacare, typical premiums are in the region of $300 per month, whereas historically, similar policies could have been had for half of that.

The result is a massive weighting of the premiums of healthy people. Yes, there are personal fines if you don't buy an obamacare policy; but they are typically a lot less than the cost of the premiums. As a result, healthy people are unlikely to sign up and they are first people who will not bother signing up due to website troubles.

Guess what's going to happen to the financial risk models when all the seriously ill people jump in en-masse because of rock bottom premiums, but the healthy people all disappear because of massively inflated premiums.

 

[bozack]

I honestly don't see why, if anything the repubs are finally taking a page out of the dems playbook and turning a relatively minor issue into a full blown disaster.

It will be interesting to see if they can iron out the issues in the allotted timeframe, I am guessing either it will be real close or they will miss the deadline, but then again I have no idea where the integration is failing between the presumable multiple systems.

 

[OutHouse]

Or they will find that the website was yet another example of Obama cronyism and corruption?

First Lady Michelle Obama’s Princeton classmate is a top executive at the company that earned the contract to build the failed Obamacare website.

Toni Townes-Whitley, Princeton class of ’85, is senior vice president at CGI Federal, which earned the no-bid contract to build the $678 million Obamacare enrollment website at Healthcare.gov. CGI Federal is the U.S. arm of a Canadian company.

Townes-Whitley and her Princeton classmate Michelle Obama are both members of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/25/m...y-that-built-obamacare-website/#ixzz2invvwP5w

ummm wow. somehow that does not surprise me.

 

[OutHouse]

What could possibly go wrong?

Uno

love that!!