Republicans know they're in trouble once the website problems are solved

[2timer]

From the Republicans: We told you it needed to be delayed.

From the Democrats: You better hope we don't fix our cluster-fuck website or you are going to look silly.

Oh please, stop acting so dumb. You spin the actions of the Republicans in such a way to make them appear as if they were only being reasonable all along. Truth is, everyone knows that the Tea Party wing of the Republican party was anything but reasonable. They used what was described as "hostage taking" to demand concessions from the other side. They shut down the government for two weeks at a cost of $24 billion to the economy. The Republicans didn't say "We believe the ACA ought to be delayed in order to work out the kinks." They said "We want the ACA to be delayed OR ELSE."

 

[Jhhnn]

You remind me of Charlie Sheen. In the middle of it all, he too thought he was "winning".

As if the recent teatard govt shutdown shitfit served to enhance Repubs' position...

Personally, I think it was great, hope y'all do it at least a couple more times before the election.

 

[Matt1970]

Oh please, stop acting so dumb. You spin the actions of the Republicans in such a way to make them appear as if they were only being reasonable all along. Truth is, everyone knows that the Tea Party wing of the Republican party was anything but reasonable. They used what was described as "hostage taking" to demand concessions from the other side. They shut down the government for two weeks at a cost of $24 billion to the economy. The Republicans didn't say "We believe the ACA ought to be delayed in order to work out the kinks." They said "We want the ACA to be delayed OR ELSE."

Butt-Hurt much?

 

[shira]

Easily fixed huh? 5% in 2015? What happened top the cost reduction of $2500 per family? You drank the Kool Aid didn't you?

You're taking my hypothetical examples out of context.

Admit it: If anyone complains about health insurance or health-care delivery from now on, you're going to blame it on Obamacare. You simply don't have the intelligence and/or the intellectual honesty to differentiate between existing issues with the American healthcare system and problems that might actually originate with Obamacare. On top of this, if anyone proves to you that a problem you're complaining about existed before Obamacare, you'll simply shift gears and blame Obamacare for not fixing the problem.

Everyone knows that the objective of Obamacare is to improve on the status quo; everyone knows that it's not going to be a panacea. But that won't stop you and your ilk from pretending that Obamacare is a failure when American healthcare remains imperfect, as it most assuredly will remain.

 

[MagickMan]

As if the recent teatard govt shutdown shitfit served to enhance Repubs' position...

Personally, I think it was great, hope y'all do it at least a couple more times before the election.

You know that only makes you look batshit crazy (worse than the Teabaggers), that you'd like to see an economic meltdown just to win an election? Are you that stupidly partisan?

 

[Matt1970]

You're taking my hypothetical examples out of context.

Admit it: If anyone complains about health insurance or health-care delivery from now on, you're going to blame it on Obamacare. You simply don't have the intelligence and/or the intellectual honesty to differentiate between existing issues with the American healthcare system and problems that might actually originate with Obamacare. On top of this, if anyone proves to you that a problem you're complaining about existed before Obamacare, you'll simply shift gears and blame Obamacare for not fixing the problem.

Everyone knows that the objective of Obamacare is to improve on the status quo; everyone knows that it's not going to be a panacea. But that won't stop you and your ilk from pretending that Obamacare is a failure when American healthcare remains imperfect, as it most assuredly will remain.

You are already making a hell of a lot of excuses. Do you think it's really going to be that bad?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Belief is much of the problem with this subject. Pharmacies get paid to dispense "strips" and supplies. That is a fixed amount NOT dependent on acquisition costs. This is not opinion. That amount has been cut to not quite $25 for strip and lancets COMBINED. If you bothered to look you would know that. So an accounting question for you. If you have to spend over $150to buy something and you are paid $25 how much money did you make? That's not far from how it really is no faith involved. I'm sure Maddow is equally informed.

lancets are a non issue, their true cost is insignificant. I fail to understand what you expect? Do you want the more expensive premium supplies or the value based supplies? If somebody else is paying I say it should be the value based strips.
Seems like you're really looking for an argument.

 

[Pens1566]

So currently the uninsured are going to run out and get this obamacare? That was one of the main points of it, wasn't it. From the other thread here, So all these project/trailer trash people out there that currently don't have insurance and are a burden to society, still won't be forced to get insurance as there are no enforcable penalties, and still will be a burden to the ones that do have insurance?

Yes, these are the only uninsured in the entire country.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

lancets are a non issue, their true cost is insignificant. I fail to understand what you expect? Do you want the more expensive premium supplies or the value based supplies? If somebody else is paying I say it should be the value based strips.
Seems like you're really looking for an argument.

I expect the government to allow us to deliver to people who can't get out. I would like to be paid for what we dispense which was prescribed, but Medicare means losing money it's just more now.

So you haven't explained why delivery, which isn't billed and not reimbursed for in any case, and has nothing to do with how much anyone pays should be illegal. You have an elderly patient who needs these things and can't come to get them and has no one to depend on. Using facts explain to the patient why being denied these necessities is good for him or her.

And you still miss the point. If the more expensive product goes out the door WE, not the government, pay for it. It would be in our best financial interest to drop the whole program.

But the answer to the question you didn't answer is -$125. Let's try that again. You pay $30 for the cheapest stuff you can get. You get paid $25. How many units do you need to sell to break even?

 

[KK]

Yes, these are the only uninsured in the entire country.

No they aren't tard, where did I say that? Percentage wise, I'd say they do make up a large portion. Of course that is based just on my thinking, so feel free to look it up and let me know if I'm wrong. I'd appreciate it tard.

 

[Pens1566]

No they aren't tard, where did I say that? Percentage wise, I'd say they do make up a large portion. Of course that is based just on my thinking, so feel free to look it up and let me know if I'm wrong. I'd appreciate it tard.

And that would still be wrong. But good job going right to the personal shots. It's very telling.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Yeh, I can see the near future where, like medicare and SS, the critics who screamed the loudest and who protested against those programs with the most vehement rhetoric will be quietly enjoying the benefits of the program on a personal and familial level while hypocritically continuing to rail against it on the political stage of public opinion.

Yea and look how insolvent both Social Security and Medicare are. The programs cost exponentially more than what was ever planned. ACA will be no different and in fact is already costing more than projected with broken promises to boot. More taking and not making.....

 

[xBiffx]

Even more cronyism from the most corrupt administration ever.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/26/c...n-charge-of-nearly-2-billion-in-sandy-relief/

Same company that is handling this failure of a website also is tasked with handing out nearly $2B in Sandy relief money. Most of which hasn't been distributed to families that have requested assistance.

CGI Federal Inc., the mastermind behind healthcare.gov, is assisting the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) in the distribution of $1.7 billion in relief for Hurricane Sandy.
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The Associated Press revealed Tuesday that a mere $700 million of the $60 billion federal aid package – 1.2 percent of the total funds – has been given to victims of super storm Sandy.

Nearly a year after the devastating storm, a majority of the 24,000 families that have requested monetary assistance have yet to receive a penny from the federal aid package.

 

[Slew Foot]

This thing wasnt about healthcare. It was designed so the government could take over the healthcare industry and hand out 2.4 trillion dollars a year to their favorite campaign donors.

 

[2timer]

Butt-Hurt much?

Butt hurt? Is that how you react to anger over extremist tactics, stick your fingers in your ears and say "Nyah nyah nyah boo boo!"

Your so fucking upset about a good intentioned, albeit not perfect piece of legislation to reduce the cost of health care for the average American, but when Ted the Clown shuts down government your response is to ignore it and thumb your nose at people. What a childish thing to do.

 

[Jhhnn]

You know that only makes you look batshit crazy (worse than the Teabaggers), that you'd like to see an economic meltdown just to win an election? Are you that stupidly partisan?

We didn't experience a meltdown, did we? obviously not. That's the kind of shutdown I referenced, not the quit paying the bills entirely scenario that was threatened.

Don't be obtuse, OK?

Obviously, there was some economic pain involved, but this habit of holding the economy hostage every time the debt ceiling approaches must end if we're to avoid a lot more pain down the road.

Congress knew full well that the ceiling would necessarily be broached when they appropriated the money in the bills they passed. That's the time to address spending rather than attempting to welch on commitments later on. Anything else is dishonest, merely an excuse for posturing & pandering.

 

[Matt1970]

Butt hurt? Is that how you react to anger over extremist tactics, stick your fingers in your ears and say "Nyah nyah nyah boo boo!"

Your so fucking upset about a good intentioned, albeit not perfect piece of legislation to reduce the cost of health care for the average American, but when Ted the Clown shuts down government your response is to ignore it and thumb your nose at people. What a childish thing to do.

Extremists, hostage taking huh? Paroting the usual lefty buzzwords. And you are the one getting all pissy because it is increasingly looking like the one thing that would have prevented the shutdown in the first place will now have to happen out of necessity.

 

[kage69]

The OP is full of all kinds of leftist idiocracy. Obamacare is going to destroy the Dems in the mid terms......promise. The devastation will be undenyable by then. This turd will fall squarely on the shoulders of the democrats. Senate & House in 2014, but no boner. (Boehner) Anyone who doesn't see Obama as a failure, at this point, is just hiding under a rock......or a criminal just like him.

Oh god that's just gold... lol

*applause*

Please, do carry on.

 

[shira]

You are already making a hell of a lot of excuses. Do you think it's really going to be that bad?

I didn't make a single excuse. You're a cockroach and I turned the light on you. And I predicted which way you and your fellow cockroaches will scurry on your cockroach legs.

 

[2timer]

Extremists, hostage taking huh? Paroting the usual lefty buzzwords. And you are the one getting all pissy because it is increasingly looking like the one thing that would have prevented the shutdown in the first place will now have to happen out of necessity.

Yep, those are all just "buzz words." Keep telling yourself whatever you like, it's just entertaining.

 

[DrPizza]

Or they will find that the website was yet another example of Obama cronyism and corruption?

First Lady Michelle Obama’s Princeton classmate is a top executive at the company that earned the contract to build the failed Obamacare website.

Toni Townes-Whitley, Princeton class of ’85, is senior vice president at CGI Federal, which earned the no-bid contract to build the $678 million Obamacare enrollment website at Healthcare.gov. CGI Federal is the U.S. arm of a Canadian company.

Townes-Whitley and her Princeton classmate Michelle Obama are both members of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/25/m...y-that-built-obamacare-website/#ixzz2invvwP5w

Don't you think this is grasping at straws? Gee, out of the dozens of executives at that company, one happened to go to the same Ivy league school as Michele Obama. There must be hundreds of Ivy league schools, so this seems to be incredibly unlikely, huh?

 

[DominionSeraph]

What do they say then?

They move on to the next Faux scandal. It's not like they can't create them endlessly.

 

[rudder]

What do they say then?
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They still say the ACA his fundamentally flawed because it is relying on young healthy adults to pay for the healthcare of the older sicker people. Then when you give subsidized and free healthcare... People will use the shit out of it. So the young healthy people take the penalty and cost projections will be way off.... It will be very unfortunate if the $600 million website doesn't stay broken.

 

[rudder]

Don't you think this is grasping at straws? Gee, out of the dozens of executives at that company, one happened to go to the same Ivy league school as Michele Obama. There must be hundreds of Ivy league schools, so this seems to be incredibly unlikely, huh?

On the surface yes complaining about the Michelle Obama school connection seems lame.... Until you look at the way this company was awarded the contract. Then the accusations of cronyism seem very valid.

 

[Matt1970]

They move on to the next Faux scandal. It's not like they can't create them endlessly.

Create them? Hardly. Blow some of them out of proportion? Sure.