Republicans in charge take aim at health overhaul

[IBMer]

So you dont give Obama a pass? You feel he should have focused on jobs?

How about not giving a pass at either of them. They both need to man up and stop bitching at each other and get something fixed.

 

[Amused]

Ever think that maybe, just maybe they consider the health care bill as a hindrance to the economy and causing economic uncertainty?

I think the rational is this: Get rid of the health care bill and employment will rise.

I never understood the logic of passing new burdens on businesses during a recession. It defies logic.

 

[theeedude]

Ever think that maybe, just maybe they consider the health care bill as a hinderance to the economy and causing economic uncertainty?

I think the rational is this: Get rid of the healthcare bill and employment will rise.

How many jobs did we lose before the health care bill passed and when things that Republicans said were going to be good for economy were in place?

 

[Amused]

How many jobs did we lose before the health care bill passed and when things that Republicans said were going to be good for economy were in place?

Irrelevant.

As I said, why burden businesses more during a recession? How in the hell will that create jobs?

 

[theeedude]

Irrelevant.

As I said, why burden businesses more during a recession? How in the hell will that create jobs?

People not bankrupted or at risk of being bankrupted by health care costs have more money to spend, which creates jobs.

 

[Amused]

People not bankrupted or at risk of being bankrupted by health care costs have more money to spend, which creates jobs.

Businesses not burdened by the health care law have more jobs to offer.

 

[theeedude]

Businesses not burdened by the health care law have more jobs to offer.

Only if they can sell goods and services to people with more money to spend.

 

[Amused]

Only if they can sell goods and services to people with more money to spend.

Only if those people are employed.

 

[her209]

Irrelevant.

As I said, why burden businesses more during a recession? How in the hell will that create jobs?

Why do businesses offer health care as a benefit in the first place?

 

[Amused]

Why do businesses offer health care as a benefit in the first place?

To attract quality employees.

 

[JS80]

Why do businesses offer health care as a benefit in the first place?

In a service economy, the most valuable "asset" is human capital. Its in an employer's interest to insure their highly skilled and hard to replace employees' health.

 

[her209]

To attract quality employees.

So its not a burden, but a plus?

 

[her209]

In a service economy, the most valuable "asset" is human capital. Its in an employer's interest to insure their highly skilled and hard to replace employees' health.

Its also a nice tax writeoff...

 

[fskimospy]

This is a common tactic, it's always 'now is not the right time'. What never gets mentioned is that the people saying that never think it is the right time. It's a dishonest debating tactic.

What's funny is that the completely socialized health care systems of europe are frequently cited as a significant competitive advantage to their businesses. If we REALLY wanted to unburden business we should enact a single payer system.

 

[Amused]

So its not a burden, but a plus?

Only to the point that the business can afford.

Any added burden will hurt business.

 

[Amused]

This is a common tactic, it's always 'now is not the right time'. What never gets mentioned is that the people saying that never think it is the right time. It's a dishonest debating tactic.

What's funny is that the completely socialized health care systems of europe are frequently cited as a significant competitive advantage to their businesses. If we REALLY wanted to unburden business we should enact a single payer system.

Yeah! Like Greece!

Oh, wait...

Like Spain!

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Like the UK!

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Like France?

 

[nick1985]

Yeah! Like Greece!

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Like Spain!

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Like the UK!

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Like France?

lol

 

[Throckmorton]

Yeah! Like Greece!

Oh, wait...

Like Spain!

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Like the UK!

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Like France?

How about like 100% of the rest of the developed world?

 

[CallMeJoe]

Yeah! Like Greece!
Oh, wait...
Like Spain!
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Like the UK!
Oh, wait...
Like France?

Like Finland?
Like Norway?
Like Sweden?
Like Denmark?

What about like Carly Fiorino's favorite miracle of low-business-tax economic development, Ireland?

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah! Like Greece!

Oh, wait...

Like Spain!

Oh, wait...

Like the UK!

Oh, wait...

Like France?

Uhmm, in the UK and France's case, yes. Also in Germany's case, in Sweden's case, in Denmark's case, etc... etc... etc.

This is common knowledge, I'm not sure why you aren't aware of it.

 

[Amused]

Uhmm, in the UK and France's case, yes. Also in Germany's case, in Sweden's case, in Denmark's case, etc... etc... etc.

This is common knowledge, I'm not sure why you aren't aware of it.

I'm not sure why you haven't taken note of their systems imploding and drowning in debt due to their entitlement socialism.

 

[Amused]

Like Finland?
Like Norway?
Like Sweden?
Like Denmark?

What about like Carly Fiorino's favorite miracle of low-business-tax economic development, Ireland?

Why yes! Let's point to the dominos on the other end that haven't fallen yet and use them as an example!

 

[Carmen813]

Why yes! Let's point to the dominos on the other end that haven't fallen yet and use them as an example!

While ignoring the fact that our own dominoes are much bigger, and actually already laying flat on the ground.

 

[Amused]

While ignoring the fact that our own dominoes are much bigger, and actually already laying flat on the ground.

Why yes, they are, of course. Because we overspend, our government is broke. Gee... let's spend MORE!!!

 

[Rainsford]

Only to the point that the business can afford.

Any added burden will hurt business.

Paying for things will always "hurt" the person doing the paying. I'm not really convinced it's better to hurt individuals rather than businesses.