Republicans in charge take aim at health overhaul

[Amused]

You are dodging the question. Should hospital have the right to throw people it doesn't believe can pay out of the ER?

I believe that answer is self evident in my question to you. Do you believe people should have a right to whatever it is you make or sell or produce?

 

[ElFenix]

It's not a dodge at all. It's asking if you believe people should have a right to your workproduct without paying.

Nice try though.

it's already been decided yes. and if your concern is that doctors don't get paid, when did you get your MD?

 

[Engineer]

It's not a dodge at all. It's asking if you believe people should have a right to your workproduct without paying.

Nice try though.

Oh for fucks sake, just say that "Yes, throw the deadbeats out" and get it over with. Quit beating around the bush.

You really mean it when you state (in your sig) that you run the "Fuck off and die" club.

 

[theeedude]

I believe that answer is self evident in my question to you. Do you believe people should have a right to whatever it is you make or sell or produce?

You are dodging the question. Should hospital have the right to throw people it doesn't believe can pay out of the ER?

 

[Amused]

You are dodging the question. Should hospital have the right to throw people it doesn't believe can pay out of the ER?

I do not believe that any man has a RIGHT to the work product of another. That includes healthcare.

I do believe that in the past, charity has, and can continue to step up and help people in need.

 

[fskimospy]

Ah yes, the "die in the street" argument. Akin to "cost to society" and "think of the children!"

Healthcare can not be a right anymore than food and shelter or emolyment can be a right. You cannot make the work product of one man the right of another.

It's important for you to understand the consequences of policies you endorse. That is a consequence. Do you accept it or not?

I fully accept making some things in a society mandatory in that way, that's the consequence of my policy preference. Are you going to grow up and accept the consequences of yours?

 

[fskimospy]

I do not believe that any man has a RIGHT to the work product of another. That includes healthcare.

I do believe that in the past, charity has, and can continue to step up and help people in need.

Ahh the old 'I'm sure everything will turn out okay' argument. Even a cursory examination of history shows that there are plenty of times where charity didn't fill the gap. Again, common knowledge.

 

[theeedude]

I do not believe that any man has a RIGHT to the work product of another. That includes healthcare.

I do believe that in the past, charity has, and can continue to step up and help people in need.

You are dodging the question. Should hospital have the right to throw people it doesn't believe can pay out of the ER?
So YES or NO?

 

[ElFenix]

I do not believe that any man has a RIGHT to the work product of another. That includes healthcare.

I do believe that in the past, charity has, and can continue to step up and help people in need.

if you go into being an MD knowing that EMTALA applies, you know what you're getting into. and it's not like these aren't sophisticated, educated people.

 

[CallMeJoe]

You are dodging the question. Should hospital have the right to throw people it doesn't believe can pay out of the ER?
So YES or NO?

He's answered your question repeatedly, though he's not said "yes" as explicitly as you would like.

 

[Amused]

Ahh the old 'I'm sure everything will turn out okay' argument. Even a cursory examination of history shows that there are plenty of times where charity didn't fill the gap. Again, common knowledge.

Irrelevant. That does not mean that one man's labor can or should be the right of another man.

 

[theeedude]

He's answered your question repeatedly, though he's not said "yes" as explicitly as you would like.

Because he's too much of a chickensh!t.

 

[Amused]

He's answered your question repeatedly, though he's not said "yes" as explicitly as you would like.

Yep. He wants some kinda gotchya quote. He has my answer.

 

[Amused]

Because he's too much of a chickensh!t.

I answered your question adequately. Just because I did not answer it in the fashion YOU wanted does not mean I did not answer it.

 

[theeedude]

Yep. He wants some kinda gotchya quote. He has my answer.

Which is what? Yes or No? Or "Yes, but charity is gonna take care of it?"

 

[theeedude]

I answered your question adequately. Just because I did not answer it in the fashion YOU wanted does not mean I did not answer it.

Because you are too much of a sissy to just say, hey' you can't pay, tough sh!t, FOAD. So you'll just say, hey, let's do nothing, charity is gonna take care of it.

 

[Amused]

Which is what? Yes or No? Or "Yes, but charity is gonna take care of it?"

No, which is, "I do not believe that any man has a RIGHT to the work product of another. That includes healthcare."

 

[theeedude]

No, which is, "I do not believe that any man has a RIGHT to the work product of another. That includes healthcare."

 

[Amused]

How have a dodged the question? Because I won't use the wording you demand I use?

Bummer. I've answered the question many times now.

 

[theeedude]

How have a dodged the question? Because I won't use the wording you demand I use?

Bummer. I've answered the question many times now.

It's simple question, do you support repealing the law that requires ERs to provide service to people regardless of their ability to pay. I am not asking your philosophical position. I am sure you intend well, and hope that everyone is going to be taken care of by charity.

 

[Double Trouble]

I am perfectly happy to let Republicans waste their time pounding Obamacare for next two years while he vetoes their spam and talks about jobs.

.... and then proceeds to get crushed along with his party in the next elections because nothing got done. Lets face it, the repubs only have control over one chamber, if things get screwed up further, the public is going to mostly hold the dems accountable. The dems will have to do some compromising over the next two years or get hammered again.

 

[CallMeJoe]

.... and then proceeds to get crushed along with his party in the next elections because nothing got done. Lets face it, the repubs only have control over one chamber, if things get screwed up further, the public is going to mostly hold the dems accountable. The dems will have to do some compromising over the next two years or get hammered again.

If the Republicans pursue their currently stated policy of "no compromise anywhere ever", they may give President Obama that 1995 Gingrich moment he needs to blame them for inaction.

 

[Red Dawn]

OP @ Democrat beat down

Republicans sticking it to the American Public

 

[Double Trouble]

If the Republicans pursue their currently stated policy of "no compromise anywhere ever", they may give President Obama that 1995 Gingrich moment he needs to blame them for inaction.

Seems to me like they've been doing that for the past 2 years, and they've done just fine. It depends on whether the population sees obstructionism as obstruction of something good or bad. If they see it as obstruction of something bad, then obstruction is a good thing.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Republicans have been in charge since they started abusing the filibuster.

That totally stopped obamacare, right?

Irrelevant. That does not mean that one man's labor can or should be the right of another man.

Exactly the point. I hate seeing people illegally downloading stuff. Someone's salary depends on that. You can't pay, you don't get.

In principal, the ER is harder to say that about, but it stands. Doctors need to be paid, they need to eat, just like the rest of us. If people can't pay, and doctors still treat, they're working for free. Right? Unless the hospital eats that cost...which, oh, will be passed down to the doctors.

Look, I get healthcare from my job. A lot of jobs provide healthcare. And if your job doesn't, you can apply for it. We're living in capitalism here - if you don't work but are able to, then it's not our problem. and FFS, I'm sorry when I see people on the street corner selling flowers, it's hard to feel sympathy. When I see someone on the street corner with a sign that says something along the lines of "I've got some skill, willing to work" I feel sympathy.

I'm not saying our current healthcare is good - it isn't. It needs reform (not replace.)