Republicans face unexpected challenges in coastal South amid shrinking white vote

[nehalem256]

So the democrats hurt women by supporting the welfare and making them dependent yet there not the ones waging the war on women😕

By making them dependent on the government Democrats are helping facilitate women independence ^_^

 

[Incorruptible]

By making them dependent on the government Democrats are helping facilitate women independence ^_^

I cant believe that those women supporters think this is independence

 

[shadow9d9]

You mean making abortion harder.



You mean not paying for them. By your logic the Democrats having an anti-lexus stance because they won't buy me one :hmm:



You mean refusing to pander to the feminist lie that money grubbing corporations that will outsource to china to save 10 cents will pay men more to do the same work.



And yet 44% of women and a majority of married women voted Republican.

Abortions are not made "harder" by unnecessary procedures, it only adds discomfort for women by meddling politicians who are pushing an agenda.

Nope, that isn't what happened with contraception.

Nope, has nothing to do with mythical "feminists" that only exist in your mind.

Yes, just like 28% of people always supported George Bush...

 

[shadow9d9]

I cant believe that those women supporters think this is independence

The circle jerk wars of strawmen have begun!

 

[nehalem256]

Abortions are not made "harder" by unnecessary procedures, it only adds discomfort for women by meddling politicians who are pushing an agenda.

By agenda you mean they want to outlaw killing of fetuses (which then consider to be babies)

EDIT: It adds discomfort to women who want abortions. Although democrats seem to have a problem distinguishing between that subset of women and women in general

Nope, that isn't what happened with contraception.

Show where Republicans have actually outlawed contraception

Nope, has nothing to do with mythical "feminists" that only exist in your mind.

That is exactly what the "pay-gap" myth is about. People who think women should be exactly like men.

 

[Athena]

If the Republicans had been willing to compromise 5% on their no-tax obsession after their 2010 thwacking of the Democrats and never mentioned the word rape they quite likely would have won in 2012.

Clearly, you have not understood the underlying problem of the Republican party.

People of color did not vote against Romney either because of his faux-tax plan, or because of the out of the mainstream anti-abortion pronoucements of selected candidates. What they voted against were all the Republican politicians who spent the last four years believing that they could denigrate the President of the US because being black, they felt he was not due normal respect. They voted against Michelle Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, and Rick Santorum; all of whom repeatedly insulted their intelligence and tried to paint the President, whose roots in this country run deeper than any of theirs, as some sort of un-American. They voted against the politicians in Pennsylvania who brazenly stated in front of cameras that the unsubtle attempt to suppress poor/minority voters in the cities would deliver the state to Romney.

Romney lost for all sorts of reasons but for many, the last nail in the coffin was when John Sununu, Romney's campaign co-chair, dismissed the foreign policy observations of a former Secretary of State (and former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) as nothing more than racial solidarity. Thousands of minority professionals silently wondered just what more they might have to do to be taken seriously.

Unless/until Republicans recognize that their longstanding racist view of every issue resulted in a fundamental blindless as to what kind of country the majority of voters want, they will find themselves increasingly marginalized

 

[fskimospy]

Uh oh, someone mentioned women around nehalem256! All aboard the misogyny train!

 

[Athena]

EDIT: And while Romney won 44% of female voters and Obama won 45% of male voters you do not hear any talk about the Democrats having a male problem. I wonder why?

Your statement is not accurate. Obama won 45% of white male voters. Democrats don't have a male problem, it's white males who are seen as having an Obama problem.

That was extensively discussed during the 2008 primaries when many thought that Hilary Clinton would be a better nominee than Obama. The truth of course was that she wasn't much more popular with that particular demographic.

 

[shadow9d9]

By agenda you mean they want to outlaw killing of fetuses (which then consider to be babies)

EDIT: It adds discomfort to women who want abortions. Although democrats seem to have a problem distinguishing between that subset of women and women in general



Show where Republicans have actually outlawed contraception



That is exactly what the "pay-gap" myth is about. People who think women should be exactly like men.

1. Politicians forcing unnecessary procedures= insane.

2. Strawman.

3. We know, you hate women. What does that have to do with mythical "feminists"? There is no such movement anymore and hasn't been for decades.

 

[michal1980]

1. Politicians forcing unnecessary procedures= insane.

2. Strawman.

3. We know, you hate women. What does that have to do with mythical "feminists"? There is no such movement anymore and hasn't been for decades.

What I wat to know how does being against free birth control, get turned into a war on women?

 

[nehalem256]

1. Politicians forcing unnecessary procedures= insane.

2. Strawman.

3. We know, you hate women. What does that have to do with mythical "feminists"? There is no such movement anymore and hasn't been for decades.

1.) I am sure Republicans would say supporting women committing murder is insane

2.) So you concede that the Republicans attacking contraception thing is a lie.

3.) Who do you think keeps harping about the 77% myth?

 

[fskimospy]

Your statement is not accurate. Obama won 45% of white male voters. Democrats don't have a male problem, it's white males who are seen as having an Obama problem.

That was extensively discussed during the 2008 primaries when many thought that Hilary Clinton would be a better nominee than Obama. The truth of course was that she wasn't much more popular with that particular demographic.

Not to mention that it was a stupid comparison anyway. Obama got a smaller percentage of the vote in 2012 than he got in 2008. His percentage declined almost across the board with people, but with women it declined notably less.

I firmly hope that the Republican Party takes nehalem's sage advice and continues attacking women's issues. I would love nothing more than to watch them keep losing. I mean nehalem's just one angry dateless guy on the internet, he can't do anything. The Republican Party can though.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Isn't that exactly what I said?

Yep, it was.

To adapt their message and broaden their tent means they'll have to do a one-eighty on current positions regarding reproductive rights, LGBT rights, immigration policy, and economic policy. The growing demographics in this country disagree with the GOP on all those issues. When the Republicans get curb-stomped in 2016, there is going to be some very high-level discussions on the party platform going forward.

Hey, this is P&N! We don't let things like facts obstruct our arguments!








My bad :biggrin:

 

[shadow9d9]

1.) I am sure Republicans would say supporting women committing murder is insane

2.) So you concede that the Republicans attacking contraception thing is a lie.

3.) Who do you think keeps harping about the 77% myth?

1. You didn't even try.
2. That isn't even close.
3. Demons in your head?

The most important thing is issue 1. All you did was double down. This is why the republicans will continue to lose women. Justify and rationalize all you want, but you be losing!

 

[nehalem256]

1. You didn't even try.
2. That isn't even close.
3. Demons in your head?

The most important thing is issue 1. All you did was double down. This is why the republicans will continue to lose women. Justify and rationalize all you want, but you be losing!

2.) I am still waiting for your evidence of Republicans attacking contraception. This was your claim.

3.) The Barack Obama website. Although I can see why that might be confused with demons 😛

 

[Athena]

2.) I am still waiting for your evidence of Republicans attacking contraception. This was your claim.

Does Rick Santorum count as a Republican?

Last year Santorum told the Christian blog Caffeinated Thoughts that as president he would warn the nation about "the dangers of contraception" and the permissive culture it encourages. "Many of Christian faith have said, 'Well, that's OK. Contraception is OK,'" he said. "It's not OK. It's a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be. ... If it's not for purposes of procreation, then you diminish this very special bond between men and women."

On birth control, Santorum out of step with nation

 

[nehalem256]

Does Rick Santorum count as a Republican?

On birth control, Santorum out of step with nation

from your article

Santorum: Says he wouldn't try to take away the pill or condoms

 

[shadow9d9]

2.) I am still waiting for your evidence of Republicans attacking contraception. This was your claim.

3.) The Barack Obama website. Although I can see why that might be confused with demons 😛

Sigh. Ok, number 1 disappeared.

2. The first sign of the new assault came last October, when Mississippi activists and congressional Republicans pushed legislation on the state and federal level, respectively, that would have treated zygotes—a.k.a. fertilized human eggs—as legal "persons." If the definition of legal personhood is changed so that it begins when sperm meets an egg, hormonal birth control or barrier devices that prevent zygotes from implanting in the uterine wall could become illegal, making using an IUD tantamount to murder. Yet some 40 percent of House Republicans and a quarter of their allies in the Senate back bills that would do just that.

That's not all. Earlier this year, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a rising conservative star who's considered a possible pick for the 2012 GOP vice-presidential nomination, introduced a bill that could cut off birth control access for millions of women by allowing even non-religious employers to refuse birth control coverage as long as they cite a religious reason. In other words, if your boss doesn't want to cover birth control in the company health plan because he says it would offend his religious beliefs, he wouldn't have to—even if his Cialis was still covered. Rubio's bill could also allow states to refuse to provide birth control through Medicaid, which provides family planning services to millions of poor women.

“These are people who have never, ever approved of birth control, and they saw an opportunity to take it one step further.”
The Republican presidential candidates also have come out against birth control. Mitt Romney has slammed President Barack Obama for requiring most employers to offer insurance that provides birth control at no cost to women who want it, even though Romney himself maintained a similar rule as governor of Massachusetts.

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, who won the non-binding Missouri primary as well as the Minnesota and Colorado caucuses on Tuesday, has also slammed Obama's decision. But he's also gone farther than that, suggesting that any form of birth control is immoral. "Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that's okay, contraception is okay," Santorum, a devout Catholic, said in October. "It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be." As Salon's Irin Carmon has documented, Santorum thinks Griswold v. Connecticut, the Supreme Court decision that said states can not deny married couples access to contraception, should be overturned.

Even previously uncontroversial ideas about contraception are now being questioned. As I explained in this story about Obama's birth-control policy, most of the administration's recently-issued rule requiring companies to provide birth control to their employees has been widely accepted federal law for a decade. Requiring employers to provide birth control if they provide other preventative services was so uncontroversial that most employers—even Catholic universities like DePaul, in Chicago—simply changed their policies and offered birth control to avoid being sued. The percentage of employers offering birth control coverage tripled in a decade. The national controversy only erupted after Obama issued the new rule in January.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/republican-war-birth-control-contraception

3. You made up your own definition of a feminist.

Again, feel free to keep doubling down on failed policies. You will continue to be at a disadvantage with women and blame them for it at the same time. I really prefer you keep with your insane opinions. It is killing the republican party.

 

[nehalem256]

Sigh. Ok, number 1 disappeared.

2. The first sign of the new assault came last October, when Mississippi activists and congressional Republicans pushed legislation on the state and federal level, respectively, that would have treated zygotes—a.k.a. fertilized human eggs—as legal "persons." If the definition of legal personhood is changed so that it begins when sperm meets an egg, hormonal birth control or barrier devices that prevent zygotes from implanting in the uterine wall could become illegal, making using an IUD tantamount to murder. Yet some 40 percent of House Republicans and a quarter of their allies in the Senate back bills that would do just that.

That's not all. Earlier this year, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a rising conservative star who's considered a possible pick for the 2012 GOP vice-presidential nomination, introduced a bill that could cut off birth control access for millions of women by allowing even non-religious employers to refuse birth control coverage as long as they cite a religious reason. In other words, if your boss doesn't want to cover birth control in the company health plan because he says it would offend his religious beliefs, he wouldn't have to—even if his Cialis was still covered. Rubio's bill could also allow states to refuse to provide birth control through Medicaid, which provides family planning services to millions of poor women.

So like I said Republicans do not think the government should be in the business of paying for people's BC. Thank you for sourcing this.

“These are people who have never, ever approved of birth control, and they saw an opportunity to take it one step further.”
The Republican presidential candidates also have come out against birth control. Mitt Romney has slammed President Barack Obama for requiring most employers to offer insurance that provides birth control at no cost to women who want it, even though Romney himself maintained a similar rule as governor of Massachusetts.

So Republicans are against BC being treated as a special privileged class of drug. How radical! ^_^

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, who won the non-binding Missouri primary as well as the Minnesota and Colorado caucuses on Tuesday, has also slammed Obama's decision. But he's also gone farther than that, suggesting that any form of birth control is immoral. "Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that's okay, contraception is okay," Santorum, a devout Catholic, said in October. "It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be." As Salon's Irin Carmon has documented, Santorum thinks Griswold v. Connecticut, the Supreme Court decision that said states can not deny married couples access to contraception, should be overturned.

And overturning it changes nothing if states don't outlaw it. No evidence has been provided that they would.

Even previously uncontroversial ideas about contraception are now being questioned. As I explained in this story about Obama's birth-control policy, most of the administration's recently-issued rule requiring companies to provide birth control to their employees has been widely accepted federal law for a decade. Requiring employers to provide birth control if they provide other preventative services was so uncontroversial that most employers—even Catholic universities like DePaul, in Chicago—simply changed their policies and offered birth control to avoid being sued. The percentage of employers offering birth control coverage tripled in a decade. The national controversy only erupted after Obama issued the new rule in January.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/republican-war-birth-control-contraception

Interesting. So every time I heard liberals complain that viagra was covered but BC wasnt they were lying out their ass?

3. You made up your own definition of a feminist.

Again, feel free to keep doubling down on failed policies. You will continue to be at a disadvantage with women and blame them for it at the same time. I really prefer you keep with your insane opinions. It is killing the republican party.

Fun fact. 1% more men voted Obama than women voted Romney. Why haven't we heard about the Democrats man problem?

And I didnt make up my own definition of a feminist. Anyone who believes there is a serious problem with women being paid less for the same work should be consigned with the same people who believe 9/11 was an inside job.

 

[shadow9d9]

So like I said Republicans do not think the government should be in the business of paying for people's BC. Thank you for sourcing this.



So Republicans are against BC being treated as a special privileged class of drug. How radical! ^_^



And overturning it changes nothing if states don't outlaw it. No evidence has been provided that they would.



Fun fact. 1% more men voted Obama than women voted Romney. Why haven't we heard about the Democrats man problem?

And I didnt make up my own definition of a feminist. Anyone who believes there is a serious problem with women being paid less for the same work should be consigned with the same people who believe 9/11 was an inside job.

Right. Keep farking that chicken!

 

[fskimospy]

Fun fact. 1% more men voted Obama than women voted Romney. Why haven't we heard about the Democrats man problem?

Because women's vote percentages shifted markedly differently than the rest of the nation's. Also, a number of Republicans lost races almost certainly because they said similarly odious things to what you say on here on a regular basis. I really do love rubbing in your face how your horrible ideas are helping to make the Republicans lose.

And I didnt make up my own definition of a feminist. Anyone who believes there is a serious problem with women being paid less for the same work should be consigned with the same people who believe 9/11 was an inside job.

I just wanted to quote this, it's so perfect.

 

[Incorruptible]

The circle jerk wars of strawmen have begun!

How is it a strawman, Its a known fact that the democrats make up this war on women to attack republicans

 

[Matt1970]

And we have yet another circle jerk thread about how the Republican party is in shambles and is hanging on by a thread.

 

[Incorruptible]

And we have yet another circle jerk thread about how the Republican party is in shambles and is hanging on by a thread.

Agree, just look at the op, I expect there will be another thread shortly

 

[RabidMongoose]

The GOP is dead. It is no longer a viable party on the national level. The old white men are finished.