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Republicans complain about "unprecedented" obstruction

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Hayabusa Rider said:
They also managed use other obstructive measures. Hey, I don't care if you do it or not. When you complain about the principles though and do the same that's just hypocrisy. "They're just as bad" doesn't even make sense as it's completely inapplicable.
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You can talk about Dems "doing the same thing" when & if it stretches out into the same kind of things Repubs have done for 8 years.
 
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ivwshane said:
Fantastic! You guys should be supporting them then right? You aren't a hypocrite are you?
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Both sides could / should do better.

I do see the Democrats point as the Republicans held off Obama's pick for the USSC. However it is an unwinnable situation for them in my opinion. The reverse was true for the Republicans over the USSC appointment it was a win / win for them. It will work out one way or the other.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
They also managed use other obstructive measures. Hey, I don't care if you do it or not. When you complain about the principles though and do the same that's just hypocrisy. "They're just as bad" doesn't even make sense as it's completely inapplicable.
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The reason why dumbshits resort to BothSides is because they lack the mental wherewithal to discern between things in life, or they're particularly motivated to make worse things seem better. Eg. "My online community college degree is just as good since schools are all the same, all have classes, books, etc."
 
PixelSquish said:
Never forget. Repubs are scumbags.
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This is not an exaggeration. If there were a checklist of scumbag behavior, they'd tick every box and add some more for effect.

The only virtue of any use to the ideology is loyalty, which is on full display everywhere trying to pawn any trump faults off on democrats all while working right alongside the staunchest loyalists. There's literally nothing else going on upstairs for them.
 
"Love thy neighbor" (except if they're from "that other political party")

"Why can't we all get along?" Because there is no real national existential threat to make it happen, and the contrived ones being propagandized by the GOP just so happens to finger millions upon millions of fellow Americans as the evil godless gay loving seditious unpatriotic communist baby killers that want to literally destroy the nation from the inside out.

I mean, just look at how having a black Muslim commie gay loving executive order signing anti-Christian POTUS from Kenya absolutely destroyed the very fabric of America much worse than Bush and Cheney did, where chaos and rampant anarchy ruled the streets before Trump the Savior and Benevolent Saint of the Downtrodden and Destitute Billionaires of Our Nation arrived in the nick of time to "Make America Great Again For Themselves."
 
Jhhnn said:
You can talk about Dems "doing the same thing" when & if it stretches out into the same kind of things Repubs have done for 8 years.
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"I beat my wife, but I'm just getting started, not like my neighbor who's done it for years".

OK

There's some thought that that obstructionism is a fundamental part of the nature of our government in order to keep a perpetual rubber stamp system so I don't mind it at all, but it's funny to see some claim how principled against it now showing that when it comes to it they suddenly say "but but but THE OTHER GUY"!

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Hayabusa Rider said:
"I beat my wife, but I'm just getting started, not like my neighbor who's done it for years".

OK

There's some thought that that obstructionism is a fundamental part of the nature of our government in order to keep a perpetual rubber stamp system so I don't mind it at all, but it's funny to see some claim how principled against it now showing that when it comes to it they suddenly say "but but but THE OTHER GUY"!

Block to your hearts desire
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These sorts of statements are really dangerous as they attempt to normalize extremely abnormal behavior. There is no precedent in all of US history for the obstruction that happened over the last 8 years and we should all recognize that and hold those responsible for it accountable. Part of the supremely destructive nature of that obstruction that liberals tried to point out to conservatives at the time was that by its very nature it would have to be returned. You can't have a situation where only one side acts this way because then you end up with only one side's agenda ever being enacted.

Now we will be in a situation where the party out of power will always go for maximum obstruction because a rational actor assumes that's what the other party will do. Appointments, judges, laws, everything. Even if they can't be stopped they can be slowed, which causes damage too. Courts won't be able to function well due to understaffing. Agencies won't function well without leaders. As soon as even one elected part of government changes hands all legislation will stop and we will end up with recurring government shutdowns and fiscal crises.

We tried to warn you guys of the consequences but people were too stupid and too overcome by partisanship to listen. You reap what you sow.
 
fskimospy said:
Not you necessarily as I don't remember your position on the obstruction specifically. There were plenty of conservatives who defended it as either necessary or part of normal governance though when it was neither.
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My position is that obstructionism is an inherent and purposeful part of the process of government to be used on very rare occasions. The Republicans (of which I am not one) abused the option. That's obviously a criticism I would agree with. Some people came out against obstructionism in principle before Trump and for it now. That's what I object to. I meant is when I said I'm fine if Democrats want to oppose Trump's candidates. It's part of the process, just don't be "holy" about a matter of self interest.

BTW, I registered as a Democrat and voted for Bernie, so I'm obviously not a fan of many Republican policies, but then I didn't support Hillary so I must be a Conservative and all conservatives are alike I've been told. But I didn't support Trump so I'm what was known as a "pinko Communist".

The environment is important to me so I'm "liberal". People matter more than money. I'm a "progressive" and government should be a facilitator of public activity until there is need to address an issue, and it should not be partisan in its approach, but follow the mandate of the Constitution and law determined from that. So perhaps I am somewhat Conservative as well. But that can't be true because those things don't fit neatly into any one box. I don't care.

When the Republicans were cheering when Bush went after certain rights we heard "The Constitution is not a suicide pact". Wrong thinking, and they were told that whatever they let stand will pass to the next administration and son of a gun did, Obama. Obama was for pretty much gutting the Fourth because well "security". Not a fan. Now all the accumulated power went to Trump and boy he jumped on that like a kid on candy.

Know what? The President after Trump will use all that was allowed for his or her term.

The bottom line is that "It's for the greater good" thinking needs to stop if it's for "security" or "he has to do Congress's job because they won't". Nope. Expansion of Executive power to achieve one's agenda is a bad long term strategy.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
My position is that obstructionism is an inherent and purposeful part of the process of government to be used on very rare occasions. The Republicans (of which I am not one) abused the option. That's obviously a criticism I would agree with. Some people came out against obstructionism in principle before Trump and for it now. That's what I object to. I meant is when I said I'm fine if Democrats want to oppose Trump's candidates. It's part of the process, just don't be "holy" about a matter of self interest.

BTW, I registered as a Democrat and voted for Bernie, so I'm obviously not a fan of many Republican policies, but then I didn't support Hillary so I must be a Conservative and all conservatives are alike I've been told. But I didn't support Trump so I'm what was known as a "pinko Communist".

The environment is important to me so I'm "liberal". People matter more than money. I'm a "progressive" and government should be a facilitator of public activity until there is need to address an issue, and it should not be partisan in its approach, but follow the mandate of the Constitution and law determined from that. So perhaps I am somewhat Conservative as well. But that can't be true because those things don't fit neatly into any one box. I don't care.

When the Republicans were cheering when Bush went after certain rights we heard "The Constitution is not a suicide pact". Wrong thinking, and they were told that whatever they let stand will pass to the next administration and son of a gun did, Obama. Obama was for pretty much gutting the Fourth because well "security". Not a fan. Now all the accumulated power went to Trump and boy he jumped on that like a kid on candy.

Know what? The President after Trump will use all that was allowed for his or her term.

The bottom line is that "It's for the greater good" thinking needs to stop if it's for "security" or "he has to do Congress's job because they won't". Nope. Expansion of Executive power to achieve one's agenda is a bad long term strategy.
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Obstructionism of this level has not been part of the process from 1789 until 2008. That much is clear.

You may not like expanding executive power but that outcome is the inevitable result of congressional obstruction of this sort. In fact, it's the well documented path of how presidential systems tend to dissolve into dictatorships. Governmental paralysis takes over but people still need the government to function and look to the president to fill the gap. Slowly but surely more and more power comes to the executive until one day he's running the whole thing.

http://wapo.st/UhOXQW

Want to stop the amassing of executive power? Come out against full bore obstruction and make the legislators who promoted it pay, which basically means cleaning house for all congressional Republicans. I don't care if they are replaced with different republicans, those guys just need to have more respect for our system of government.
 
fskimospy said:
Obstructionism of this level has not been part of the process from 1789 until 2008. That much is clear.

You may not like expanding executive power but that outcome is the inevitable result of congressional obstruction of this sort. In fact, it's the well documented path of how presidential systems tend to dissolve into dictatorships. Governmental paralysis takes over but people still need the government to function and look to the president to fill the gap. Slowly but surely more and more power comes to the executive until one day he's running the whole thing.

http://wapo.st/UhOXQW

Want to stop the amassing of executive power? Come out against full bore obstruction and make the legislators who promoted it pay, which basically means cleaning house for all congressional Republicans. I don't care if they are replaced with different republicans, those guys just need to have more respect for our system of government.
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Well all good things I guess.
 
Those polls that ask are you dissatisfied with the direction of the country are BS. The question is far too vague and too broad. In the cited instance in includes people absolutely frustrated with the obstruction and those 100% in favor of the obstruction and lumps them all into the same category.

I was one of 80% dissatisfied with the direction of the country under Obama-because far too little was getting done. I'm even more dissatisfied under Trump as I watch him crap all over America and wreck it's future.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Who is "you guys"?
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Sorry HayabusaRider, you're not allowed to disagree with any facet of far left orthodoxy no matter that your basically liberal political stances are mainstream Democrat. There is no tolerance by this current crop of Democrats for any dissent of any shape or form. To disagree with them is to be considered an enemy.
 
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