Republican Rick Scott delays debate for 7 minutes over a fan.

[zinfamous]

holy shit that's fucking insane. if that's a decision you make as a governor you shouldn't be running a fucking hot dog stand let alone a whole state.

That has basically been his handling of Florida over the last several years. It's funny that he has managed to fly under the radar, somewhat.

 

[zinfamous]

I am a what?

Your thread was merged with DCal's in P&N, who now appears as the OP of this merged thread.

DCal is an unapologetic commie supporter of DPRNK, Fat III, and their magical unicorn cave.

 

[Thebobo]

holy shit that's fucking insane. if that's a decision you make as a governor you shouldn't be running a fucking hot dog stand let alone a whole state.

Extra mustard please

 

[werepossum]

Adrian Wyllie would mop the floor with both of them. Too bad the voters aren't allowed to see that.

That is WHY the voters aren't allowed to see that.

A fan is a huge advantage in a political debate. It helps the candidate smoothly oscillate between positions.

Personally, I think bringing a paddleball to play with while your opponent is speaking would be the best.

OMG! That would be worth a vote right there.

At first, I was thinking, maybe it's sort of like that Van Halen m&m thing - their contract stated the dressing room had to have a bowl of m&m's, and all the brown ones had to be removed.

On the surface, and to the average person, something petty like that makes the band look like idiots. However, by putting that into the contract, it allowed them a very quick check as to whether or not they should be concerned by the promoter following the contractor. That is, if there were no brown m&m's, it was indicative that the promoter probably followed every detail in the contract. But, if there were brown m&m's, then they had cause for concern to wonder what other parts of the contract make have been overlooked.

However, if this was the governor's reasoning - that he was concerned over other problems given something that petty, delaying the debate 7 minutes to verify that all the other more important rules were being followed, might seem reasonable to some people. Unfortunately, I don't think the majority of people would quite understand this; to them, he looks petty & it hurts his chances of reelection.

He might have been smarter to send his staff out for a fan and led off with "I see my opponent has brought a fan. I've sent my staff out to get me a fan so that he doesn't feel self-conscious, and in the mean time let's all hope that's enough to keep him from fainting on stage."

 

[Victorian Gray]

Typical lib position, rules are only there to be broken, never enforced.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Both were idiots. The one for not following the rules and the other for refusing to debate because of something that truly doesn't affect the debate itself. He should have come out, pointed out the rule violation so everyone knows it and then done the debate. Hiding backstage just made it worse for him.

- Merg

 

[Sonikku]

I'm glad we can debate the important issues plaguing America, like fans. And Ebola and stuff. Not that other lame stuff like job off shoring and corporate personhood the libs like to gab on about endlessly.

 

[emperus]

I'm glad we can debate the important issues plaguing America, like fans. And Ebola and stuff. Not that other lame stuff like job off shoring and corporate personhood the libs like to gab on about endlessly.

Read that three times and I'm still not sure what you are trying to say.

 

[emperus]

Unless you're a register voter in Florida, why would you care about this?

Lol. typically (pathetically) predictable post.

 

[Fern]

At first, I was thinking, maybe it's sort of like that Van Halen m&m thing - their contract stated the dressing room had to have a bowl of m&m's, and all the brown ones had to be removed.

On the surface, and to the average person, something petty like that makes the band look like idiots. However, by putting that into the contract, it allowed them a very quick check as to whether or not they should be concerned by the promoter following the contractor. That is, if there were no brown m&m's, it was indicative that the promoter probably followed every detail in the contract. But, if there were brown m&m's, then they had cause for concern to wonder what other parts of the contract make have been overlooked.

However, if this was the governor's reasoning - that he was concerned over other problems given something that petty, delaying the debate 7 minutes to verify that all the other more important rules were being followed, might seem reasonable to some people. Unfortunately, I don't think the majority of people would quite understand this; to them, he looks petty & it hurts his chances of reelection.

Good point.

IDK much about Gov Scott; I don't live in FL and simply don't care much. However last night I heard a discussion on this. Both candidates received the set of rules, in the form of a contract, and were required to sign and return them.

The problem here is Crist unilaterally modified his copy the contract. You cannot do that.

Upon showing up at the event Scott would have become aware of this. The question would then be what other rule(s) did Crist unilaterally change?

Similar to your brown M&M example, Scott now knew the rules weren't what he thought they were. You can't go into a debate without knowing the rules; you'll get 'snake bit'.

I also heard Crist has done this very thing before. IIRC, they said it was a debate in 2008. Crist is engaging in gamesmanship and this is the fault of the debate committee for allowing it. Are they biased?

In any case, Crist's tactic paid off for him.

Fern

 

[IronWing]

The problem here is Crist unilaterally modified his copy the contract. You cannot do that.
Fern

Yes you can, you absolutely can. If a contract is not acceptable to you as written, you can, before signing, change it. The other party to the contract, of course, can then choose not to accept your changes thus nullying the contract. The organizers were free to reject Crist's changes. Apparantly they chose not to reject them. My understanding is that the contract was between Crist and the organizers. If the organizers chose not to share Crist's changes with Scott, that is not Crist's problem.

 

[Fern]

Yes you can, you absolutely can. If a contract is not acceptable to you as written, you can, before signing, change it. The other party to the contract, of course, can then choose not to accept your changes thus nullying the contract. The organizers were free to reject Crist's changes. Apparantly they chose not to reject them. My understanding is that the contract was between Crist and the organizers. If the organizers chose not to share Crist's changes with Scott, that is not Crist's problem.

The attorneys on TV disagreed with you. (Although I agree when viewing a contract with another party you can make changes. But this is a bit different apparently.)

In any case I've already blamed the organizers. They should've either refused Crist's change(s) or notified the other party, Scott, of the changes.

This is on the debate committee. Are they biased?

Fern

 

[First]

The problem here is Crist unilaterally modified his copy the contract. You cannot do that.

Your statement isn't based in reality. Addendums to contracts are as common as apple pie. Debate organizers were entirely free to reject said addendum, and did not.

The attorneys on TV disagreed with you. (Although I agree when viewing a contract with another party you can make changes. But this is a bit different apparently.)

Link?

 

[Fern]

Your statement isn't based in reality. Addendums to contracts are as common as apple pie. Debate organizers were entirely free to reject said addendum, and did not.

It's not my statement, it was from an attorney.

I'd guess this is a bit different from, say, a contract between you and I. But if you signed a contract and sent it to me for signature and I change it before signing are you held to the contract because you already signed?

I'd say the answer is no because I changed it, it's therefore not what you signed.

That's essentially what happened here. However, because it's a three party deal Scott wouldn't know the contract had been changed.

Really would like to see the contract to guess better, but I can't imagine the contract not explicitly stating that both candidates would be subject to the same rules. That's its purpose; nobody will agree to a debate with different rules for each candidate.

Link?

I don't youtube links etc as I've explained before.

IIRC, it was stated by Megan Kelly on the O'Reilly show.

Fern

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Your statement isn't based in reality. Addendums to contracts are as common as apple pie. Debate organizers were entirely free to reject said addendum, and did not.

Both parties must sign the Addendum for it to be valid. That's how it works in the Legal world last time I checked.

 

[trenchfoot]

If I recall correctly, it was either a committee member or one of the debate hosts that got interviewed by an MSNBC talking head and that member of the committee blamed both Christ and Scott for the problem. That was really hilarious to me that he said that because it really came across as an awkward clumsy way of absolving himself and the committee of any blame for the ruckus, of which is typical of the whole incident in general.

What peaks my interest in all of this is why there was a requirement to ban fans in the first place.

 

[Jimzz]

It's not my statement, it was from an attorney.

I'd guess this is a bit different from, say, a contract between you and I. But if you signed a contract and sent it to me for signature and I change it before signing are you held to the contract because you already signed?

I'd say the answer is no because I changed it, it's therefore not what you signed.

That's essentially what happened here. However, because it's a three party deal Scott wouldn't know the contract had been changed.

Really would like to see the contract to guess better, but I can't imagine the contract not explicitly stating that both candidates would be subject to the same rules. That's its purpose; nobody will agree to a debate with different rules for each candidate.




I don't youtube links etc as I've explained before.

IIRC, it was stated by Megan Kelly on the O'Reilly show.

Fern

Wait so you make a claim and when called out on it the best you can do is say It was on Fox so it must be true? Really? Wow even for a partisan hack like yourself that's pretty funny.

 

[schmuckley]

I think you should move to like..Davie,FL..then see how you feel without a fan...all year
No AC either

 

[Brainonska511]

Regardless of whether Crist was right or wrong on having the fan, it seemed really petty and small of Rick Scott to delay the debate over such a stupid issue. He's supposed to be the current governor of Florida and trying to hold the seat, he should be acting a little bit better than a 5 year old.

 

[Meghan54]

IIRC, it was stated by Megan Kelly on the O'Reilly show.

Pssst.....it's MEGYN Kelly, not Megan.

 

[HomerJS]

Can someone answer how a person who would get so worked up over a fan can run a state?

 

[Thump553]

Can someone answer how a person who would get so worked up over a fan can run a state?

There should be some of emotional age test for politicians. This is the sort of behavior that is cured in normal humans by the age of five. I can only presume Scott was late because some responsible adult told him to go sit in a corner until he can behave like a grownup.

 

[Darwin333]

Looks like Christ added a clause that allows him to use a fan if there are temperature issues when he agreed to the debate.

https://twitter.com/KevinCate/status/522525530810482688/photo/1

No one was stopping Scott from requesting a fan either.

Then the moderator sucked for not understanding, knowing, and having immediate access to all of the rules.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I am a what?

GasX = Dcal430?

 

[MongGrel]

Skeletor should be in prison for past Medical Company bullshit, not Govenor to begin with.

Every time I even see his face I think Mel Brooks in Blazing Saddles.

Crist I don't like a lot better to be honest but really ?

Blazing Saddles - Doing The People's Business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT9A58ff-jo

Blazing Saddles- The New Sheriff of Rock Ridge



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBjMaUlXnjs