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[fskimospy]

Perhaps you are right...that the Pakistani's found him before Obama announced his name to the world. But my intent in bringing up Plame was not to compare details of the situations as much as it was to compare the outrage. The CIA should NEVER had used that doctor in the first place.

I think that distinction is a really big one. In one case you have an administration DELIBERATELY betraying a secret agent to score political points. In the other you have an agent who was captured by foreign intelligence services.

If you want to slam the Obama CIA for recruiting a doctor that's fine (although I'm willing to bet we have a long history of doing that), but asking why people would be outraged at Valerie Plame and not outraged at this is just not a good comparison as the circumstances are entirely different.

By the way I agree with you that the circumstances in Pakistan are horrible and that Obama shares some of the blame for it. Let's not forget who is truly to blame however, and that's the Taliban. They have made the deliberate choice to play politics with the lives of their own children.

 

[CrackRabbit]

How gracious of you. No shit he screwed up...it was a huge screw up. Nothing of consequence actually happened when Plame was outed; however, liberals went ballistic at the time. Yet here we have a clear example of Obama publicly outing and abandoning someone who risked his life to help us. His stupidity had far-reaching consequences that led to the suffering and death of thousands of people...and what do liberals say? Nothing. And most don't even know about what happened. This is what stupid and crazy looks like.

Hey, there is no point in getting angry at me over it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I think that distinction is a really big one. In one case you have an administration DELIBERATELY betraying a secret agent to score political points. In the other you have an agent who was captured by foreign intelligence services.

If you want to slam the Obama CIA for recruiting a doctor that's fine (although I'm willing to bet we have a long history of doing that), but asking why people would be outraged at Valerie Plame and not outraged at this is just not a good comparison as the circumstances are entirely different.

By the way I agree with you that the circumstances in Pakistan are horrible and that Obama shares some of the blame for it. Let's not forget who is truly to blame however, and that's the Taliban. They have made the deliberate choice to play politics with the lives of their own children.

The Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee says that the White House outed Dr. Afridi to Pakistani authorities. Not sure what is true here. Also, Afridi was arrested almost immediately after the raid. How would they find out something like this so quickly if they were not informed?

 

[fskimospy]

The Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee says that the White House outed Dr. Afridi to Pakistani authorities. Not sure what is true here. Also, Afridi was arrested almost immediately after the raid. How would they find out something like this so quickly if they were not informed?

There's no possible way to answer that, he could have already been under surveillance.

Additionally, the House Homeland Security Committee is unlikely to have had any information whatsoever on this operation as it was not conducted by any agencies that they have oversight duties for.

Finally, I looked for sources on this accusation and I have not found any quotes or any mentions by the Obama administration of the doctor before his arrest, nor have I found any quotes that seem to give substantial details about this doctor prior to his arrest. If you can find some I'd be happy to look at them, but from what I've seen it looks like Peter King is full of shit.

 

[Spungo]

I don't even know where to start between the insane conspiracy theories about bin Laden

They would lie in order to start a war with Spain (fact), they would lie to start a war with Vietnam (fact), they would lie to start a war with Iraq (fact), they would lie about rescuing a soldier (fact), but there's no possible way they would lie about killing the one and only person who justifies why they are in Pakistan (speculation)..... which, of course, did not mark the end of reckless civilian murders in Pakistan (fact). After all of that, they went on to lie about Iran and Syria having weapons of mass destruction, using the same weasel wording Bush used. The US government has lost pretty much all credibility by now. Even the CIA and Mossad stepped up and told politicians to stop making shit up.

the lack of understanding of the difference between fiscal and monetary policy

Destroying our currency and destroying the savings of working class Americans is acceptable because it counts as monetary policy rather than fiscal policy? I'm glad we cleared that up.

the same old discredited and ignorant argument that inflation is actually around 10%, etc, etc.

When was it discredited? You can see the latest BLS data here. According to the government, healthcare costs increased by 3%. Seriously? Look at your own insurance premiums or doctor bills and tell me it's only 3%. That same PDF also says education costs rose 1.2%. Anyone who attends university can tell you how bullshit that is.

If you believe Obama is intentionally trying to harm the country you are an idiot.
If you believe Dubya was intentionally trying to harm the country you are an idiot.

What else do you call it when both of those idiots gave trillions of dollars to their donors then turned around and said there's no money for medicare or social security? We can build Iraq's infrastructure but not America's infrastructure. We can't bail out home owners but there's lots of money to bail out wall street. These two people are not stupid. They know how much damage they are doing to the country.

 

[fskimospy]

They would lie in order to start a war with Spain (fact), they would lie to start a war with Vietnam (fact), they would lie to start a war with Iraq (fact), they would lie about rescuing a soldier (fact), but there's no possible way they would lie about killing the one and only person who justifies why they are in Pakistan (speculation)..... which, of course, did not mark the end of reckless civilian murders in Pakistan (fact). After all of that, they went on to lie about Iran and Syria having weapons of mass destruction, using the same weasel wording Bush used. The US government has lost pretty much all credibility by now. Even the CIA and Mossad stepped up and told politicians to stop making shit up.

This makes no sense. Shockingly enough "Remember the Maine!" is not a reason why Osama bin Laden is still alive. Additionally, Syria obviously has weapons of mass destruction. They have publicly declared them.

Even if you don't find the US government credible that in no way means they lied about this. Basic logic.

Destroying our currency and destroying the savings of working class Americans is acceptable because it counts as monetary policy rather than fiscal policy? I'm glad we cleared that up.

No, it's just two entirely different things. One of them is done by an independent agency (the fed), the other would be implemented by Obama. Considering you were attacking Obama for fed action this tells me you don't understand the difference.

When was it discredited? You can see the latest BLS data here. According to the government, healthcare costs increased by 3%. Seriously? Look at your own insurance premiums or doctor bills and tell me it's only 3%. That same PDF also says education costs rose 1.2%. Anyone who attends university can tell you how bullshit that is.

Yes, according to both the government and independent estimates of inflation which generally track quite well. Kaiser, for example estimates health care expenditures in 2010-2011 (the same time frame as your link) rose 0.9% higher than the government said, due to different methodology.

http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/7670-03.pdf (page 6)

Additionally, you misread your own link on education. Education inflation was listed at 4.2%, not 1.2%. You read 'education and communication' instead of the subgroups. Additionally, independent estimates of four year colleges showed tuition inflation of more than 4.2% (averaging about 6% between public and private) but the figures I've found don't include 2 year college tuition (which actually declined on average that year) or other types of education. Nor does it cover all other types of education spending. 4.2% seems perfectly reasonable.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/28/nation/la-na-college-costs-20101029

Or were you trying to say that people were really feeling that extra 0.9% in medical costs? My guess is no.


In terms of broader inflation the Billion Price Index by MIT tracks quite closely with broader inflation:

So you have your feelings as to what inflation should be, and I have a whole big pile of facts, corroborated by independent groups. This has been debunked on numerous occasions on here alone. Needless to say, you're full of it.

What else do you call it when both of those idiots gave trillions of dollars to their donors then turned around and said there's no money for medicare or social security? We can build Iraq's infrastructure but not America's infrastructure. We can't bail out home owners but there's lots of money to bail out wall street. These two people are not stupid. They know how much damage they are doing to the country.

/facepalm

 

[umbrella39]

Name one good thing Obama has done.One thing that that works and greatly benefits the US in any meaningful way. 🙄

Typical cricket chirps when served a plate of stfu...

 

[umbrella39]

How dare you question the president's policy of petrodollar warfare and having a 50 civilians murdered for every terrorist. There's also the infamous "double tap" policy where they will bomb an area, wait for medical personnel to arrive, then bomb the medical personnel, which is a completely separate war crime.



Did you actually read the article? Basically, that legislation raises interest rates across the board by making credit card companies view credit card debt like long term bonds rather than revolving short term bonds. It's a simple fact of economics - longer term debt means higher interest rates. This is called a yield curve, as shown below:

Obama is easily the worst president in US history. He's even worse than Bush. He's like a reversed Robin Hood; instead of taking from the rich and giving to the poor, he's taking from the poor and giving to the rich. The economy has not been this bad since the Great Depression, and he's doing everything in his power to make it worse. He passed Obamacare to force companies to limit their staff to 29 work hours per week, then he makes their wages worth significantly less by keeping Bernanke in charge of the fed (you may have noticed that tripling the money supply has made food and rent much more expensive). Now that poor Americans (roughly 1/4 of the country) are relying on credit just to eat food and pay utility bills, Obama's new credit legislation raises interest rates on credit cards so poor people are even more fucked than before.

You can see how evil Obama is just by comparing the economy to the stock market. How is the economy doing? Fucking terrible. 102 million Americans of working age, roughly 1/3 of the entire country, do not have jobs. Labor participation is at its lowest point since the 1970's even though both men and women are part of today's labor force. Income disparity is at its highest point since the 1920's. Meanwhile, Obama and his billionaire friends in the financial industry are playing golf and drinking 100 year old scotch while their stocks hit record highs.

Are you really this stupid or just trying to out retard incorruptard?

 

[IEC]

Republican? Democrat?

What's the difference?

They both see you as a servant. Go pick up that can, citizen.

 

[Spungo]

This makes no sense. Shockingly enough "Remember the Maine!" is not a reason why Osama bin Laden is still alive. Additionally, Syria obviously has weapons of mass destruction. They have publicly declared them.

Source? The only thing that comes close to WMD is a report saying they have yperite, VX, and sarin. They sound scary because they have letters and they one of them starts with a Y, but what are they?
Yperite is mustard gas. It messes people up by causing severe blistering and irritation, not much worse than the chlorine gas used in WW1. OH NO, THEY HAVE WORLD WAR 1 TECHNOLOGY!!!! EVERYBODY PANIC RIGHT NOW! We'll need to nuke their asses when they start building biplanes and semi-automatic rifles.
VX is an organophosphate pesticide that works by blocking the acetylcholinesterase enzyme. It's similar to nicotine poisoning. I have some first hand experience with organophosphates. I went into seizures and almost died when some pesticide got into the ventilation system at one of my old jobs. That would definitely be a horrible way to die, but this is still WW1 technology. You can't say with a straight face that some guys with pesticide are a threat to world security. Zyklon B has this same hysteria. Zyklon B was originally used as a pesticide, but they found that it also worked well for killing humans. Does that mean we can call all pesticides WMDs? Should we bomb Home Depot?
Sarin is basically the same as VX. It's an anticholinesterase chemical containing phosphorus, but not in the form of phosphate. Death by sarin would probably suck, but this is still not a major threat to world security. You could say sarin or VX are major threats because they can be dumped into water and it would kill entire villages, but that's true for almost any pesticide. That's even true for certain kinds of fertilizer.

No, it's just two entirely different things. One of them is done by an independent agency (the fed), the other would be implemented by Obama. Considering you were attacking Obama for fed action this tells me you don't understand the difference.

/facepalm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chairman_of_the_Federal_Reserve
" There have been a total of 14 Chairmen of the Federal Reserve,[5] who are appointed by the President of the United States."

It's not my fault the dollar is collapsing! It's my employee's fault!

Or were you trying to say that people were really feeling that extra 0.9% in medical costs? My guess is no.

CNN Money
"American families who are insured through their jobs average health care costs of $19,393 this year, up 7.3%, or $1,319 from last year, according to independent actuarial and health care consulting firm Milliman Inc."

I guess CNN is now part of the conspiracy to make people believe that health care costs are rising dramatically.

 

[Jhhnn]

The Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee says that the White House outed Dr. Afridi to Pakistani authorities. Not sure what is true here. Also, Afridi was arrested almost immediately after the raid. How would they find out something like this so quickly if they were not informed?

Lesson for all would be propagandists- when using a zero credibility hack as a source, Peter King, for example, use their title rather than their name.

 

[fskimospy]

Source? The only thing that comes close to WMD is a report saying they have yperite, VX, and sarin. They sound scary because they have letters and they one of them starts with a Y, but what are they?
Yperite is mustard gas. It messes people up by causing severe blistering and irritation, not much worse than the chlorine gas used in WW1. OH NO, THEY HAVE WORLD WAR 1 TECHNOLOGY!!!! EVERYBODY PANIC RIGHT NOW! We'll need to nuke their asses when they start building biplanes and semi-automatic rifles.
VX is an organophosphate pesticide that works by blocking the acetylcholinesterase enzyme. It's similar to nicotine poisoning. I have some first hand experience with organophosphates. I went into seizures and almost died when some pesticide got into the ventilation system at one of my old jobs. That would definitely be a horrible way to die, but this is still WW1 technology. You can't say with a straight face that some guys with pesticide are a threat to world security. Zyklon B has this same hysteria. Zyklon B was originally used as a pesticide, but they found that it also worked well for killing humans. Does that mean we can call all pesticides WMDs? Should we bomb Home Depot?
Sarin is basically the same as VX. It's an anticholinesterase chemical containing phosphorus, but not in the form of phosphate. Death by sarin would probably suck, but this is still not a major threat to world security. You could say sarin or VX are major threats because they can be dumped into water and it would kill entire villages, but that's true for almost any pesticide. That's even true for certain kinds of fertilizer.

lol. You claimed that it was a lie that Syria had weapons of mass destruction. Now you admit they have declared weapons of mass destruction as defined by every authority on the subject, but they don't have the right kind of WMD's for you. That's basically the dictionary definition of moving the goal posts.

/facepalm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chairman_of_the_Federal_Reserve
" There have been a total of 14 Chairmen of the Federal Reserve,[5] who are appointed by the President of the United States."

It's not my fault the dollar is collapsing! It's my employee's fault!

If you even bothered to read further into your own link you would see that the Fed chairman cannot be removed from office after his appointment. The fed acts as an independent agency and so to call the fed chairman who does not answer to the president the president's employee is absurd.

Oh also, the dollar isn't collapsing and the dollar weakening some against other currencies would be a good thing, not a bad thing.

CNN Money
"American families who are insured through their jobs average health care costs of $19,393 this year, up 7.3%, or $1,319 from last year, according to independent actuarial and health care consulting firm Milliman Inc."

I guess CNN is now part of the conspiracy to make people believe that health care costs are rising dramatically.

Nope, you just don't know what you're reading. The CNN article talks about one portion of the health care marketplace, leaving out Medicare coverage which alone covers approximately 50% of all US health costs.

For a broader, current measure please check these charts here:
http://www.beckershospitalreview.co...lthcare-growth-rates-held-steady-in-july.html

What you've offered so far is partial figures for health care, anecdotal evidence, and misread BLS reports. I've shown you through multiple, independent sources that your ideas about inflation are simply wrong. I know the way you think of economics tells you that there SHOULD be inflation, but the last few years have shown that those economics are simply wrong when put to the real world test.

Seriously, how much more evidence do you need before you admit that inflation has been quite low over the last few years?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Lesson for all would be propagandists- when using a zero credibility hack as a source, Peter King, for example, use their title rather than their name.

Does this OPSEC group have zero credibility as well in your opinion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Xfti7qtT0

I understand that details of the raid were shared with Hollywood celebrities a few days after. I found Robert Gates' comment to be especially spot on....how about you?

http://www.npboards.com/index.php?p...gic-communications-approach-shut-the-f-up./p1

Robert Gates' Strategic Communications Approach: Shut the F*** Up

Robert Gates, the former defense secretary, reportedly blasted the
national security team in the Obama White House for blabbing about the
raid to kill Osama bin Laden. "Shut the f--- up," Gates told Tom
Donilon, who is now Obama's national security adviser, according to a
book by New York Times reporter David Sanger.

“By Wednesday of that week, Gates went to see Donilon, offering up a
barbed assessment of how the White House had handled the aftermath of
the raid. ‘I have a new strategic communications approach to
recommend,’ Gates said in his trademark droll tones, according to an
account later provided by his colleagues. What was that, Donilon asked?
‘Shut the fuck up,’ the defense secretary said.”

 

[fskimospy]

Does this OPSEC group have zero credibility as well in your opinion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Xfti7qtT0

I understand that details of the raid were shared with Hollywood celebrities a few days after. I found Robert Gates' comment to be especially spot on....how about you?

http://www.npboards.com/index.php?p...gic-communications-approach-shut-the-f-up./p1

Does any of that relate to the Pakistani doctor? Serious question. My thought is that if there were any such statements they would be pretty easy to find, but I haven't seen one.

 

[Spungo]

lol. You claimed that it was a lie that Syria had weapons of mass destruction. Now you admit they have declared weapons of mass destruction as defined by every authority on the subject, but they don't have the right kind of WMD's for you. That's basically the dictionary definition of moving the goal posts.

Since you've established that all cholinergic and anticholinergic chemicals, including nicotine and most pesticides, count as WMD's, which countries should we take over next? I'm thinking Poland, Holland, Norway, Greece, France, and Romania before pushing south to the Caucasus oil fields and sweeping up along the Volga.


I found a new bombing target: Sigma-Aldrich
purchase cholinergic nerve agents
The company sounds European. Those bastards.

 

[schmuckley]

I don't think we're in Baltimore anymore,Toto.