Republican base: "When do we get to use the guns?"

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MrSquished

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Most of them. I consider it inappropriate and criminal behavior from those who participated, but there's nothing to "admit" except from those who took part.

Just as the views of a few conservatives don't reflect the views of others, the views of a few liberals, in say P&N forum for example, don't reflect the views of other liberals. The nutjob extremists from both parties are the exceptions, not the majority.

Completely oblivious. A majority of the GQP party sympathizes with the insurrectionists and are onboard with the election having been stolen, which turns them into extremists. These are not a 'few' of the party, this is the biggest chunk of the party.

 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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^ Trump was elected because Hillary was even less popular.

A person would have to be out of their mind to think that by electing someone, you condone everything they do from that point forward, even if it was one of their campain pledges. Voters still have to pick one candidate vs another, cannot vote on the individual pledges. If you think either party does *everything* right, you haven't been paying attention.

Trumped pandered to the FUD and racism, and barely eeked out the victory against someone who be slandered by the right since the 90's.

You don't elected a crazy person who thinks the POTUS rules like a king, surrounds himself with yes men, and then pretend like it doesn't matter.
 

JD50

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^ Trump was elected because Hillary was even less popular.

A person would have to be out of their mind to think that by electing someone, you condone everything they do from that point forward, even if it was one of their campain pledges. Voters still have to pick one candidate vs another, cannot vote on the individual pledges. If you think either party does *everything* right, you haven't been paying attention.

Stop blaming other people for your actions and take some personal responsibility. I've seen this argument so many times it's absurd. Trump won the Republican primary too, which basically tears your dumbass argument to pieces.
 

JD50

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Trumped pandered to the FUD and racism, and barely eeked out the victory against someone who be slandered by the right since the 90's.

You don't elected a crazy person who thinks the POTUS rules like a king, surrounds himself with yes men, and then pretend like it doesn't matter.

Exactly, it's total projection from the deplorables. If there was a liberal version of Trump running and conservative version of Hillary, I'd vote for Hillary without a second thought. Some things are deal breakers, even if he supported every policy I supported I would never vote for someone like that.

A perfect example of why you don't do that is how he handled covid. Another example is this election fraud lie and the 1/6 insurrection. Doesn't matter what your politics are, none of that shit is ok.
 

Viper1j

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I'm a liberal, was a cop years ago and still have my gun. I guarantee you I have more tactical training than 95% of the fat dumb hicks around here that think "Let's Go Brandon" is the most clever thing anyone's ever done.

You would've thought that the election would've taught them one thing.

There's more of us, then there are of you. In any numbers game, the MAGAts are predestined to lose.

The same would apply to any armed conflict.
 

MrSquished

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Factually Trump was less popular with 2016 Voters than Clinton was. She won the Popular vote by ~ 3 million votes.

Why didn’t you know that?
Exactly. The electoral college in this case voted in the lesser popular candidate. That was Herr Trump
 

pmv

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May 30, 2008
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He is one of those rough men as you call them capable of doing violence on his own behalf. You forever unaware twat.

I thought the "rough men" was a reference to Kipling or someone...having looked it up it's not Kipling it's supposed to be Orwell referencing Kipling, but maybe wasn't even him either. Seems that it was just some journalist paraphrasing Orwell referencing Kipling, which then got misrepresented as a quote, and then re attributed to Churchill!

So I learned something from this at least (namely, that you can never be sure who really said what, people just attribute things to those who seemed like they _might_ have said that general sort-of-thing).

 

Moonbeam

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In a discussion like this I always feel out of place, surrounded by people with little real understanding of the unconscious psychological forces that motivate liberal conservative interactions and especially how, on the one hand they are apparently opposite but actually identical at a higher level of understanding. All of the discussions between and against the two sides are animated by the differences and leave the understanding of their identity out of the equation, the part that when missing makes resolution of opposites invisible to one's understanding.

So what are the real facts then and naturally though I am certainly right, we are just going to call this my opinion:

We were born in an oceanic state of oneness of being, no boundary line between the universe and the self, gifted with all the potential for real being joy packed into millions of years of primate evolution.

All of that was shattered by language that as we soon learned that names and divides creating the capacity to think, to attach emotional content to words and ideas, and the potential to be put down and to feel personal shame, and the fear of rejection, to become an outcast and unworthy of love.

In this way we experienced real terror, fear, the mind killer, anxiety so great it can't consciously be tolerated and survive. The only way out was to secretly suppress the will for rebellion or to side with the force of repression. In this way the liberal and the conservative comes into being, hate of the repressor, or hate of the victim, two sides of the very same fear, as well as endless interpersonal conflict.

In this way also arose the desparate need to be right or egotism and arrogance combined, all there so we never again consciously experience our fear, the pain we long ago buried behind an armored ego that denies all feelings of pain and shame closing the door on the potential to remember where we came from and to grieve over our fate and heal.

Instead we create what we fear because we are driven like moths to the flame. Paradice has been lost and we want to get back to the garden. Its loss was our personal disaster and we blindly create disaster in order to magically bring it back, hoping some how unconsciously to avoid remembering the actual disaster that brought us all of our pain. In this way we become machines pinned to the wheel of Karma, actors playing our part on a fantasy stage going merrily merrily down the stream.

The facts then is that there is no one to blame. We are all the same. The enemy you see is yourself. The only way out, to die to the ego of self, to give up the most precious thing that we have, the notion that what we call the good is real. We were never really guilty and that is why someone took it upon Himself to give up His life so you might feel forgiven. All that armor, all those guns and nothing to do but lay them all down and die, to let go and let the pain flood in. Love and tenderness are not lost, they are just deeply hidden.
 

BoomerD

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We can get a Huey, and you can be my door gunner. :D

There's just something about that sound...when you're deep in Indian country...and you hear that "whop, whop, whop" of a Huey coming to the rescue...
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
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My whole problem with the gun purchase is the people I have deal with. I worked with a gun nut. He actually is a self published "expert" on I think it's the 1887, or 1888 Winchester rifle. This person has no self awareness so all I can take is his word and way too many phone calls and online activity during working hours, and an actual printed book, that it was true. He demanded to take off every year in July to go the annual Winchester Library or WTF to volunteer. It was always during my birthday. We were going to have a show down over it, since I ran the site, but my boss intervened and sent him back to the shipyard for basically being Bert!

Nope he wasn't lying. 4th addition, I'm impressed.

The Red Book of Winchester Values (4th Edition): Larry Shennum, Ph.D., Bert Hartman, B.S.: 9780692476802: Amazon.com: Books

Edit: Just talked to the guy who took over my job. He says the author is still working at the shipyard. Hm. Must not be a big money generator.

Which shipyard? We lived in Silverdale for several years...knew a few PSNS folks.
 

DarthKyrie

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I'm liberal and bought one 2 years ago due to Trumpism. Never before did I ever think of owning a gun.

I swore off guns back in the early 2000s due to my mental state but I have been thinking about getting 1 for the same reason.
 

hal2kilo

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Which shipyard? We lived in Silverdale for several years...knew a few PSNS folks.
PSNS. I've substituted for the site leader there a few times, but my stint was spent at the Bangor sub base from 1986 with a 2 and half year stint at the home office in Anaheim. I came back from the home office to take over as site lead in 2000. I gave it up in August 2019. PSNS is where the subs get overhauled and refueled, they are then deployed at Bangor after a Demonstration And Shake Down Operation (DASO) to certify the crew for handling missiles and the strategic weapon system. We have a permanent Data Recording System (DRS) in the Fire Control compartment, and install temporary gear for underwater communication and location tracking during both DASO and Follow-on Chief of Naval Operations Evaluation Tests (FCET, now just CET). The communications and location tracking data is relayed to the range ship that has radars and cameras that need to be pointed to where the missile is coming out of the water.
 

raildogg

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Only a MAGAt would be stupid or naïve enough to believe that Democrats don't have guns, or military training.

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My answer to him would be: "Bring it bitch".
LOL, shitlibs are the on the side of the military industrial complex now? Man, you people never seize to amaze. I always knew shitlibs were war loving crazies.
 
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gothuevos

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You would've thought that the election would've taught them one thing.

There's more of us, then there are of you. In any numbers game, the MAGAts are predestined to lose.

The same would apply to any armed conflict.

I dunno, take away all the soccer moms and college kids and it's probably more even, numbers wise.

That's not even factoring the mismatch in weapons, proclivity to committing violence, and likely having the aid of local law enforcement and maybe even a decent enough chunk of the military.

I hope we never have to find out but I fear it would end up being pretty one sided.