Replies here are out of control

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: josh6079
No, the driver itself doesn't need SLI activated in order to function properly, but the card to which the conversations in that thread were refering to had to have an SLI activation through its driver to work properly.

really? so no electricity would go through GPU(s) in 7950 if a SLI driver is not installed? try this... boot your computer up in safe mode, do you see a screen? if you do, then your card is working properly (w/o SLI driver).

You're right, the card doesn't need the driver to function at all, but to function properly (i.e. get the $600 dollars worth of enjoyment out of it) you have to enable SLI through the driver. Are you seriously telling me that you're going to play games in safe mode with a 7950GX2? C'mon beggerking use some common sense.

Once again, you are admitting your were wrong..
Common sense applies to human, not graphic cards. Please remember you are debating on functions of a videocard, which uses logic.
Graphic card is working correctly as long as its processing its data correctly.
Driver software work correctly as long as it runs as it was programmed.
Windows generic VGA driver is used for diagnostics and would be working correctly as long as safe mode boots up.
So everything would still be working correctly without SLI software running.
Therefore, SLi software doesn't determine whether your hardware is considered as a single card or not.
7950 runs on a single slot, therefore it is a single card solution.

so what exactly are you trying to prove with your "Driver path is SLI" theory?

btw, here is what you have done so far. I'll keep a running list.
1. invalidated your own argument
2. admit you made up a phrase and used it repeatly in arguments.
3. Tried to explain hardware with common sense....and failed.
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x. initiate personal attacks, threadcrapping, etc

I really, and I mean really, don't see the importance, or the point of your argument here.
Your, "Hardware has nothing to do with Software" or whatever, really is moot. You can buy a 7950GX2, install it, boot into Windows, and have video. Try to play any games though. You will need proper drivers (software) to properly run the (hardware). SLI motherboard required. SLI drivers for 7950GX2, required. Otherwise, you might as well buy a Geforce2 MX400 and call it a day.

Now if I don't make sense to you here, it's probably because you and Josh have been arguing this sensless crap for uncountable posts now. It gets lost in the muck.

Just chill with it please. It is so unimportant it aint' funny.

EDIT: Whoops, I see you left the thread so I guess I wasted my keystrokes here.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
EDIT: Whoops, I see you left the thread so I guess I wasted my keystrokes here.

He'll be back methinks. You didn't waste anything.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: josh6079
nitro, I haven't disagreed with you in any thread that I recall. You are an intelligent person and I'm not trying to imply otherwise in my replies thus far in this thread. Yet, so far you've told me to take out my sig, and Joker, Wreckage, and beggerking himself have all followed my lead. I know that isn't something to brag about, but the fact is is that people reserve the right to quote others, especially in their own profile.

The only reason why he offered/did to take out his sig was because he knew that if somebody went to the mods with it, he would probably be in bigger trouble than I was simply because he was being hipocrytical. It wasn't a quote, but a refabrication with some improvised comments. It was not an example of him being "the bigger man" but of him not getting caught for the same thing he pointed the mods to me for. Even if he correctly quotes me and places one of my quotes in his sig, I wouldn't care. I don't tend to take things that personally and if he does tend to then maybe that's the problem. Fact is, he hasn't led me to believe that he wasn't out of control in any of our past discussions. Until he does so, I'm not going to change my sig.

If he really wants to discuss it with me, he can PM me, which he has not done yet. Instead it appears that he is wants to continue a discussion about another thread in this one, and remain in public veiw while doing it. If he wants to come and try to fix my sig and since it only pertains to him and I, he can do it privately instead of fumbling around on a thread about it.

I had an interest in making this forum better. There was a time where my sig was a link to "Boxing Ring" in order to entice those who were wanting to really debate with me and didn't want to PM me, they could do it in public there and not on a technical forum. Needless to say, it didn't work, because it all comes down to someone wanting to get an e-erection on the thread that the offenses initiated. So, now I will only ask those who are wanting to debate with me to PM me. If you want to continue talking about the sig of mine that has nothing to do with you or anybody else except beggerking, you can PM me.

As far as PM's go... Generally, I feel that PM's take away from the spirit of a forum

Not if they are discussing matters in the PM's that do not pertain to the thread. If an argument or another thread is being talked about in a thread that isn't related, those matters should be discussed on channels that leave the main topic of the thread intact. By PMing someone in an debate, you are letting the victimized thread regain its main focus, or at least giving it a chance to. Keeping the "spirit" of a thread alive isn't worth it so long as it is an argument which is all this thread has been. Its main topic is to try to keep the video forum in general here alive and the mods from deleting it. And really, if so many others say it isn't as bad as it used to be, then I'm not worried.

and should only be used to conduct private business. You disagreeing with me about your sig is certaily not a private matter nor is it business.

The fact that you don't like my sig is your opinion. Others don't really care and others think its fine. Sonikku's sig is similar to mine and it isn't a very big deal. Why? Because beggerking actually cares about that stuff and the real issue is for him to learn not to care if someone calls out his mistakes. I just see PM's as a place to talk privately, whether it be business related or not. I guess the difference between you and me is that we don't see PM's the same way.

Plus, this thread is the appropriate place to discuss this, and by discussing it in public it allows others to voice their opinion on the subject. Sadly for this forum and for me, only one person has agreed with me, but several have decided to emulate you.

Anyway, and more importantly, it's too bad that you have lost an interest in trying to make this a better forum because of a few people that have gotten under your skin.

I'm not counting the number of people who agree or disagree with me, and I'm sorry to see that you are. I'm rather listening for what people have to say and thinking if its logical or not. So far, I haven't heard any suggestions that would help. I would love to see moderators actually make more stickies instead of doing nothing but lock threads or ban people. I think its not just the people posting that is contributing to the fights, but also the fact that these forums have no real official rules. Its like a democracy without a constitution.

For example, look what happened to redbox when he simply asked what the rules here were:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1869991&enterthread=y

One reply and it wasn't even helpful in the least.

Name-calling, flaming, threadcrapping, viral marketing, and trolling are all things I think shouldn't be allowed anywhere, not even sigs. But, quoting? There is a "Quote" button for a reason and I'm using it. There is also a profile for everyone with a sig section in it to display whatever the user feels like. As long as the above properties are not found in it, I don't consider a sig to be inappropriate.

I think you and I really want/have wanted the same thing for these forums, but I also think that we both have different opinions when discussing that.

EDIT: I'll tell you what. I'll at least take off the bold to the sig so it doesn't scream as much, maybe I'll even just post the attacks he was making towards me (i.e the second and third quotes). Will that be justified in your eyes?

 

[thilanliyan]

Quoting someone in your sig isn't that bad (changing what someone said then quoting it however is bad). If you posted something then you must have thought it worth posting so why shouldn't someone else be able to quote you?? Maybe it'll stop some people from posting BS lest they be reminded over and over again of their BS.

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Hay Josh, I'm still waiting for your to explain your "Driver path is SLI"

It's already been explained and I'm still waiting for your response but it looks like you backed off from the thread with your tail between your legs and are instead cross-trolling here.

btw, hyperthreading in P4 is a way for bios software to fool itself into thinking there are 2 CPUs. Since software can be fooled into thinking there are more/less hardware than existed, you or (BFG) can't say " I dont believe 7950 is considered as a single card solution because SLI software sees it as 2 cards(GPUs)". In reality, there is only one slot connected..same as a dual-core CPU.

Nice try. Take it back to the thread where it came from and we'll continue it there.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Originally posted by: beggerking

Hay Josh, I'm still waiting for your to explain your "Driver path is SLI"

It's already been explained and I'm still waiting for your response but it looks like you backed off from the thread with your tail between your legs and are instead cross-trolling here.

btw, hyperthreading in P4 is a way for bios software to fool itself into thinking there are 2 CPUs. Since software can be fooled into thinking there are more/less hardware than existed, you or (BFG) can't say " I dont believe 7950 is considered as a single card solution because SLI software sees it as 2 cards(GPUs)". In reality, there is only one slot connected..same as a dual-core CPU.

Nice try. Take it back to the thread where it came from and we'll continue it there.

Ok, see why the quotes are bad...? Right here is a perfect example. They bring a previous argument from one thread (one I don't care about) into a new thread (that I do care about).

BFG is right, get that dual card/dual gpu arguement out of here.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
It's already been explained and I'm still waiting for your response but it looks like you backed off from the thread with your tail between your legs and are instead cross-trolling here.

"Driver Path" =

You don't know what a driver path is? It's a path that is taken in order to operate a given hardware device.

OMG!! its called a DATA PATH ! not driver path!

btw, hyperthreading in P4 is a way for bios software to fool itself into thinking there are 2 CPUs. Since software can be fooled into thinking there are more/less hardware than existed, you or (BFG) can't say " I dont believe 7950 is considered as a single card solution because SLI software sees it as 2 cards(GPUs)". In reality, there is only one slot connected..same as a dual-core CPU.

Nice try. Take it back to the thread where it came from and we'll continue it there.

don't see you talk about dual-core/ 7950 not a single cpu/gpu . So, lets stop here, agreed?

 

[CKXP]

i guess the OP was right, "replies here are out of control" :disgust:

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Part of the problem is people like Akugami claiming he is not biased and pure as snow, while mainly posting one-sided information and flaming others.

He will jump on Beggerking for being biased, but will ignore similar posts by Ackmed or others. :roll:

Ok, I know I said twice I wouldn't respond again but I'll clear some things up.

1) You called someone else a troll and I rightly pointed out you are a self admitted troll so have no place to accuse others of things like that.

2) I have called out against ATI fanboys. In multiple threads I even said that I did not agree with some of the comments by 5150Joker. Your selective memory is just making you ignore things like that.

3) I never ever once said I'm pure as snow. In a PM to a known and respected nVidia fan, I even admitted to him that I can be just as big of an idiot as anyone else. If he wishes to name himself to confirm what I've said, he can. So don't put words in my mouth. Compared to you, my actions probably aren't pure as snow but they'd certainly be a lot cleaner.

4) I never ever ever ever ever once claimed I am not unbiased. Only that I try to be as fair as possible. Again do not put words in my mouth. I have helped nVidia card owners with problems because that's the type of person I am. I freely admit I am partial to ATI (something I've done for a long long while now) but at the same time I don't brown nose any company. I help others when I feel I have something to contribute regardless of what that person's hardware or software or other preferences are. I have spoken out in support of nVidia in a few nVidia issues that I felt were blown out of proportion such as the improperly rendered shadow on the gun in Farcry which I felt was a very minor issue.

5) I was using Beggarking as an example of someone with an affinity towards nVidia who some would feel is a bit annoying, even fans of nVidia cards due to your claim that me filtering out your trolling is just another facet of my bias. However, even though I don't agree with Beggarking on many issues, I do not get the feeling he is here to be an a$$hole which is the difference between me continueing to read his posts and me filtering out your drivel. Except for yourself and Crusader, I don't get that feeling from anyone on these forums.


Wreckage. You are an obviously intelligent person. Believe it or not, I agree with some of your points. However your fanboyism and trolling is what cause others on this board to take the stance against you that they do. It is ok to like one company over another. Just don't be a jacka$$ about it like you have. It's not what you say but how you say it that makes a world of difference. And yes, I even agreed with some points that I've read that Crusader posted.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Originally posted by: beggerking

Hay Josh, I'm still waiting for your to explain your "Driver path is SLI"

It's already been explained and I'm still waiting for your response but it looks like you backed off from the thread with your tail between your legs and are instead cross-trolling here.

btw, hyperthreading in P4 is a way for bios software to fool itself into thinking there are 2 CPUs. Since software can be fooled into thinking there are more/less hardware than existed, you or (BFG) can't say " I dont believe 7950 is considered as a single card solution because SLI software sees it as 2 cards(GPUs)". In reality, there is only one slot connected..same as a dual-core CPU.

Nice try. Take it back to the thread where it came from and we'll continue it there.

Ok, see why the quotes are bad...? Right here is a perfect example. They bring a previous argument from one thread (one I don't care about) into a new thread (that I do care about).

BFG is right, get that dual card/dual gpu arguement out of here.

The quotes aren't bringing the topics up, the people are. I agree though.

So far, I've told beggerking to PM me, BFG10K has told him to reply in the appropriate thread, and now you are wishing he wasn't posting about the 7950 and whether or not its a single card in this thread. How is he not trolling?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: akugami
Ok, I know I said twice I wouldn't respond again but I'll clear some things up.

1) You called someone else a troll and I rightly pointed out you are a self admitted troll so have no place to accuse others of things like that.

Where the f*** did I say that?

2) I have called out against ATI fanboys. In multiple threads I even said that I did not agree with some of the comments by 5150Joker. Your selective memory is just making you ignore things like that.

Then jump up their a$$ for once and leave me alone

3) I even admitted to him that I can be just as big of an idiot as anyone else.

Agreed.

4) I never ever ever ever ever once claimed I am not unbiased. Only that I try to be as fair as possible.

See my response the #2

5) I was using Beggarking as an example of someone with an affinity towards nVidia who some would feel is a bit annoying

Why not filter Ackmed?

Wreckage. You are an obviously intelligent person. B

We are (for whatever reason) on different sides of a coin. If you would have been as critical of Ackmed, Joker, etc. as you are of Crusader, Beggerking, etc. I may actually be able to discuss our differences. However it seems we are unable to see things eye to eye.

I am actually on many different forums (including Rage3D) and I don't seem to get into these kinds of discussions. This place, however seems to allow a large amount of misinformation and biased opinion.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: sandorski
ATI and Nvidia Trollboys make me laugh. Especially when my Virge DX smacks them silly and they cry to their mamas!

Pfft my Trident TVGA 8900B would wipe the floor with your pussy S3....

Haha, in yo dreams Ho! I got a Serial Cable, how about puttin it on the line in a little head-to-head, Duke3D Max settings 2 Hos go in, 1 Champ comes out?

When you join the ATI/Nvidia Fanboys freakin in the corner, I'll be chillin on the Highside.

Peace!

Dude...your on....AND when I flog the crap out of you I will slap in the face with the backside of my Trident.....spikey solder points FTW

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: sandorski
ATI and Nvidia Trollboys make me laugh. Especially when my Virge DX smacks them silly and they cry to their mamas!

Pfft my Trident TVGA 8900B would wipe the floor with your pussy S3....

Haha, in yo dreams Ho! I got a Serial Cable, how about puttin it on the line in a little head-to-head, Duke3D Max settings 2 Hos go in, 1 Champ comes out?

When you join the ATI/Nvidia Fanboys freakin in the corner, I'll be chillin on the Highside.

Peace!

Dude...your on....AND when I flog the crap out of you I will slap in the face with the backside of my Trident.....spikey solder points FTW

Bring it! [grabs file to make solder points extra sharp on his S3!!!]

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
SLI motherboard required. SLI drivers for 7950GX2, required.

Sorry to go OT, but I thought the 7950GX2 could run on a non SLI board?

 

[redbox]

It can work without a sli mobo Keys is just confused or something or has gotten some of that "misinformation" that AEG spreads around so much.

 

[5150Joker]

Akugami, I don't see why you insist on wasting so much energy trying to have an intelligent conversation with Wreckage of all people? The guy is the biggest troll on these forums - it's best to ridicule him instead.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: redbox
It can work without a sli mobo Keys is just confused or something or has gotten some of that "misinformation" that AEG spreads around so much.

Avalon/Redbox: Well then that is a very kewl thing!! Learn something new everyday. Thanks! Makes it even more enticing.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Akugami, I don't see why you insist on wasting so much energy trying to have an intelligent conversation with Wreckage of all people? The guy is the biggest troll on these forums - it's best to ridicule him instead.

Are you trying to write Wreckage's biography? Or are you writing an auto-bio?

So you try to persuade someone to give up trying to have a conversation in favor of chaos then? You don't even realize that you are the flip-side of Wreckage, do you? Now that's precious.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: sandorski
ATI and Nvidia Trollboys make me laugh. Especially when my Virge DX smacks them silly and they cry to their mamas!

Pfft my Trident TVGA 8900B would wipe the floor with your pussy S3....

Haha, in yo dreams Ho! I got a Serial Cable, how about puttin it on the line in a little head-to-head, Duke3D Max settings 2 Hos go in, 1 Champ comes out?

When you join the ATI/Nvidia Fanboys freakin in the corner, I'll be chillin on the Highside.

Peace!

Dude...your on....AND when I flog the crap out of you I will slap in the face with the backside of my Trident.....spikey solder points FTW

Bring it! [grabs file to make solder points extra sharp on his S3!!!]

don't make me bring out the big guns....I still have a dinosaur Monchrome card..its an ISA 8bit bus and is about a foot and half long, it has solder points that look like spear tips...I'll take one swing with it and wipe out half of the cry babies in this thread



XGI FTW

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: CKXP
i guess the OP was right, "replies here are out of control" :disgust:

Exactly. And talk about hijacking, we are now talking about SLI in the thread.

You know, I started to respond to a few things here, but I don't see the point.

Oh, Josh, my scroll bar is getting tired. Could we cut the sig down a little. Unwritten rule at AT is long sigs should be a banning offense. Also know that mods WILL edit your sig for you if they decide you are doing call outs and get tired of the complaints. Not saying it is right or wrong to do it, just that it is not looked on with joy by the mods.

 

[blckgrffn]

Yep, Josh, please at least take the huge spaces out of your sig.

As far as ridicule goes, have you guys not been in OT lately (which what this basically seems to be for GH)? When you can't win or the argument boils down to futility, its best just to have fun with the thread or blast the OP or a particularly stupid post, and that seems to be the spirit of the forum. Its what keeps the place entertaining and worth visiting. I don't think that there are many questions left to make video a forum of its own, it seems to me that programming needs one much worse.

For example, what really happens in video?

1)What card should I buy?

Do some research. Read a couple reviews, glance at newegg. If you are a complete newb, this might be an ok question, but certainly one that could be answered in GH just as readily and probably with less bias than here.

2)Look at my ridiculously cool shiznit!

Great. This is actually cool. But again, do we have enough quality posts of this nature to make having our own forum really worth while?

3)Some games are not working with my card!?!

Update your video drivers. Careful, you could nuke windows if you don't follow the directions. If that doesn't work, likely a hardware problem and you will be better served by GH.

4)My card is artifacting!

It's probably broken. Wow, that was tough...

5)I want to oc my video card, what should I do?

We are going to tell this person to google coolbits, rivatuner, ATI tool, or something similar, and then expect to answer Question 4 sometime later if the person is a total newb. Yep, that is worthy of a forum.

6)My 5900FX is every bit as good as your 9800 Pro!

Almost sadly, there seems to a clear winner for every generation of video hardware, making this question pretty boring. For a while ATI ruled with the 97/9800 series, then nvidia with the 6800 series, and now ATI seems to win the high ground again with the x1900xt. Basically its a brand preference thing, and if you like nvidias drivers or ATI's drivers /card characteristics better, that is a personal opinion that will influence your choice. Great. Enough to get your panties in a bunch? It shouldn't be.

7)SLI/Crossfire stuff...

If you have the money and the patience, roll with it...

8)My video card runs really hot/is really loud...

Welcome to the world of aftermarket coolers! Just don't make us answer #4 when you screw it up.

I guess that begs the question, if all the above is what goes on in the video forum, and that is all that is supposed to go in the video forum, why does it still exist? I think that it supposed to be the P&N or OT of GH, and the mods like it that way.

As long as the main gist of most peoples arguments here is largely personal opinion, there will continue to be confrontation. And IMHO, that is just fine and entertaining. I guess that it needs to be somewhat reasonable, but those of us who have been long enough know where the bias lies and what info to take with a grain of salt.

Last, what would you really like see discussed here in Video? Image quality (which seems to be highly subjective and ruled by Ben and BFG)? Driver bugs? Critique of video card reviews? Whacky cool ways to extract more value from our mega-dollar-more-than-the-latest-console video cards? If that is what you want to see, start some threads on it rather than make a rather useless thread on how we should somehow clean up the place, please.

Nat

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: CKXP
i guess the OP was right, "replies here are out of control" :disgust:

Exactly. And talk about hijacking, we are now talking about SLI in the thread.

You know, I started to respond to a few things here, but I don't see the point.

Oh, Josh, my scroll bar is getting tired. Could we cut the sig down a little. Unwritten rule at AT is long sigs should be a banning offense. Also know that mods WILL edit your sig for you if they decide you are doing call outs and get tired of the complaints. Not saying it is right or wrong to do it, just that it is not looked on with joy by the mods.

unfortunately i was right

video is 'hopeless' and will stay that way

:roll:

i don't read any sigs.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Akugami, I don't see why you insist on wasting so much energy trying to have an intelligent conversation with Wreckage of all people? The guy is the biggest troll on these forums - it's best to ridicule him instead.

So you can't compete on an intellectual level so you resort to ridicule?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Akugami, I don't see why you insist on wasting so much energy trying to have an intelligent conversation with Wreckage of all people? The guy is the biggest troll on these forums - it's best to ridicule him instead.

So you can't compete on an intellectual level so you resort to ridicule?

they are copying you and Rollo . . .

it what you do best . . .
. . . ridicule is very effective in derailing topics

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: CKXP
i guess the OP was right, "replies here are out of control" :disgust: