Replies here are out of control

[redbox]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: akugami
I turned off my filter because I knew this thread would turn into a flame fest sooner or later. But I laugh every time I see Wreckage call someone else a troll...

umm.. I really don't see why you would pick on Wreckage when he is simply trying to calm the flame here.. your comments to Wreckage is completely unnecessary, and doesn't contribute anything to the thread. Fanboy or not, this thread is NOT about it, in a way you are also derailing the thread into another ATI vs NV flamefest.

Originally posted by:Wreckage[b/]Now that you are a self admitted troll Joker, I have updated my sig.

I just wonder what Wreckage was doing to calm the flame here? If this thread is not about Fanboys and how we all treat each other then what is it about Beggerking? I have had some pretty good descusions with you via pm's. So I know you can be civil as I am sure everyone here is capable of doing. I will agree with you that akugami calling Wreckage a troll doesn't solve anything and really just feeds a flame. However, wreckage wasn't exactly providing the answer to our little dilemma. I think it would do good for us to put away our pride just for a day and I don't know maybe talk just specifically about the hardware in question. I am sure we all have some knowledge and we would all do good to share some of that.

Just my .02

 

[beggerking]

redbox. if you are here to try to calm the flame, don't you think the best way is to have your best friend Josh delete out his sig ?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
There's nothing wrong with Josh's sig. since it's a direct quote of something beggerking posted. Now Crusader's signature on the other hand is there to provoke people into flaming him yet I haven't seen it brought up in this thread yet..hmmm.

The point is that by putting quotes or anything designed to portray another poster in a bad light in your sig puts you on the offensive with that individual everytime you post. Plus. you influence the perception that others will have of that poster.

The difference between your sig and Crusader's is that Crusader's sig only serves to reflect on himself, and doesn't make any statement or attack against other forum members.

My sig is a humorous display of beggerking's posts. You gotta admit, posting in FI asking to have me banned and using the reasons he did were quite laughable and definitely sig worthy.

Not laughable at all, although F.I. is not the proper place to complain about other members. PM's work best as I directed beggerking to do. No, not laughable. Not the quote of yours he has posted in that thread. I'd give you a vacation if I were a mod (not a mod) and keep an eye on you when you returned. I'd give you a chance. But if you did that again? Nuke.

Well Keys, being a hardcore nV supporter, would I expect you to say otherwise?

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: josh6079
I said "driver path is SLI".

I'm sorry for not clarifying though, but I was meaning that the driver must have SLI activated for it to function properly. I think your broken English is rubbing off on me and I actually made up a phrase. Sorry.

You should be sorry for yourself because you just invalidated your entire argument on the other thread, which was based on your "driver path is SLI" theory.

really? driver must have SLI activated to function properly? so if you have a single card (which SLI would be deactivated), your card won't work properly?

I said PM me if you really want to discuss this further.

When I said that it was in a thread discussing the 7950GX2 and how it needs SLI enabled through the driver to operate correctly. No, the driver itself doesn't need SLI activated in order to function properly, but the card to which the conversations in that thread were refering to had to have an SLI activation through its driver to work properly.

You get on akugami's case for saying things to Wreckage that you don't think belong here yet you derail the thread by not PMing me to continue this and bringing up details of another thread? Can you not see how you are being a hipocryte?

PM me if you want to discuss this further. If you want to argue with me, don't do it here.

gsellis,

I admire the fact that you see that people argue too much here, me being one of them. However, people are going to argue no matter what. "Boxing Ring" is just about the only thread that is still on topic considering its length just because it is a thread where you are supposed to do nothing but argue. (It's sad, I know)

However, its not that the arguing is worthless all of the time since someone can be proved wrong or right and then spectators will know for sure. (i.e. BFG10K and Gstandfor discussing HDR + AA on Nvidia cards) There isn't always an outcome like that, and I will agree that sometimes people just blantanly post flame bait or call someone else out. (I was with the nickname "dramaqueen" and when the mods PMed me I told them, "Thankyou for your censorship. I am guilty of everything you have now deleted.") These forums are pretty bad, but that doesn't mean they are useless. I've still gotten a lot of technical assistance from here as I'm sure you have and regardless of to what extent, the threads are still moderated a little.

We are the moderator's eyes, and while I've reported only one person (no, it was not beggerking), others have helped by reporting people too. I agree with your OP, but I also see why it won't work.

 

[fierydemise]

Cmon you guys chill out they're just video cards, P&N actually looks good compared to this at least what they debate has some bearing on society. If you really want to change things, a few simple suggestions:
1. Cut out the flame sigs. The mods may deem it fine but it doesn't exactly help the civility if every time you post it's appended with a flame.
2. Quit thread crapping. Nitro was dead on when he said the major source of the flaming is the thread crapping, if you want to talk about an issue make a new thread.
3. Take it to PMs. If you want to have a pissing contest do it in PMs and don't bother the rest of us with it.
4. Don't feed the trolls. This is a big one, if you argue with the troll you embolden them, just ignore them and they should go away.

Now I know this isn't going to go anywhere but one can hope.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

this place has needed more moderation for a long time, further back than i remember. it aint happened yet, and i aint holding my breath for it to happen either

the best way to view this place is with your own moderation. you soon single out which people need not be taken notice of and you just skip past their posts.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079
No, the driver itself doesn't need SLI activated in order to function properly, but the card to which the conversations in that thread were refering to had to have an SLI activation through its driver to work properly.

really? so no electricity would go through GPU(s) in 7950 if a SLI driver is not installed? try this... boot your computer up in safe mode, do you see a screen? if you do, then your card is working properly (w/o SLI driver).

 

[5150Joker]

When are you guys going to learn that the video forum community sucks? It's damaged beyond repair, might as well not take it seriously and just have fun; even Rollo gave up on it.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: josh6079
No, the driver itself doesn't need SLI activated in order to function properly, but the card to which the conversations in that thread were refering to had to have an SLI activation through its driver to work properly.

really? so no electricity would go through GPU(s) in 7950 if a SLI driver is not installed? try this... boot your computer up in safe mode, do you see a screen? if you do, then your card is working properly (w/o SLI driver).

You're right, the card doesn't need the driver to function at all, but to function properly (i.e. get the $600 dollars worth of enjoyment out of it) you have to enable SLI through the driver. Are you seriously telling me that you're going to play games in safe mode with a 7950GX2? C'mon beggerking use some common sense.

I'm going to tell you this one more time, PM ME IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THIS ANY FURTHER. STOP DERAILING THE THREAD.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: josh6079
No, the driver itself doesn't need SLI activated in order to function properly, but the card to which the conversations in that thread were refering to had to have an SLI activation through its driver to work properly.

really? so no electricity would go through GPU(s) in 7950 if a SLI driver is not installed? try this... boot your computer up in safe mode, do you see a screen? if you do, then your card is working properly (w/o SLI driver).

You're right, the card doesn't need the driver to function at all, but to function properly (i.e. get the $600 dollars worth of enjoyment out of it) you have to enable SLI through the driver. Are you seriously telling me that you're going to play games in safe mode with a 7950GX2? C'mon beggerking use some common sense.

Once again, you are admitting your were wrong..
Common sense applies to human, not graphic cards. Please remember you are debating on functions of a videocard, which uses logic.
Graphic card is working correctly as long as its processing its data correctly.
Driver software work correctly as long as it runs as it was programmed.
Windows generic VGA driver is used for diagnostics and would be working correctly as long as safe mode boots up.
So everything would still be working correctly without SLI software running.
Therefore, SLi software doesn't determine whether your hardware is considered as a single card or not.
7950 runs on a single slot, therefore it is a single card solution.

so what exactly are you trying to prove with your "Driver path is SLI" theory?

btw, here is what you have done so far. I'll keep a running list.
1. invalidated your own argument
2. admit you made up a phrase and used it repeatly in arguments.
3. Tried to explain hardware with common sense....and failed.
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.
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x. initiate personal attacks, threadcrapping, etc

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Cmon you guys chill out they're just video cards, P&N actually looks good compared to this at least what they debate has some bearing on society. If you really want to change things, a few simple suggestions:
1. Cut out the flame sigs. The mods may deem it fine but it doesn't exactly help the civility if every time you post it's appended with a flame.
2. Quit thread crapping. Nitro was dead on when he said the major source of the flaming is the thread crapping, if you want to talk about an issue make a new thread.
3. Take it to PMs. If you want to have a pissing contest do it in PMs and don't bother the rest of us with it.
4. Don't feed the trolls. This is a big one, if you argue with the troll you embolden them, just ignore them and they should go away.

Now I know this isn't going to go anywhere but one can hope.

It's not going to go anywhere until there's a mod who's willing to use force to implement the above. Y'know, a person who post something like, "OK, I'm just about ready to lock the thread and start using the ban stick." I would nominate myself for this position, but I don't think anyone would second it. LOL

 

[conlan]

IMHO, the current round of VidCard debates are fairly tame in comparison to the the old 3dfx / nVidia flame wars, either that or i've just become jaded. Remember Trolls are nothing more than attention seekers, deprive them of attention and they go seek it elswhere.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: conlan
IMHO, the current round of VidCard debates are fairly tame in comparison to the the old 3dfx / nVidia flame wars, either that or i've just become jaded. Remember Trolls are nothing more than attention seekers, deprive them of attention and they go seek it elswhere.

that's why they are HERE [in video]

and the mods tolerate it because it keeps the REST of ATF 'clean'

i don't think you guys 'get it'
:Q



not gonna change
. . . so . . .

aloha

EDIT:

i saw that "example" of 'flaming' in GH . . . they are flaming someone who belongs here.
[expect him shortly with his big brags, 30" LCD and no pics]
:Q

:roll:

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by:Wreckage Now that you are a self admitted troll Joker, I have updated my sig.

I just wonder what Wreckage was doing to calm the flame here?

I was using my sig to illustrate a point about listing others in their sig.

I will agree with you that akugami calling Wreckage a troll doesn't solve anything and really just feeds a flame. However, wreckage wasn't exactly providing the answer to our little dilemma.

Part of the problem is people like Akugami claiming he is not biased and pure as snow, while mainly posting one-sided information and flaming others.

He will jump on Beggerking for being biased, but will ignore similar posts by Ackmed or others. :roll:

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: josh6079

proposition for you..take your sigs off and I'll take mine off. Fair deal?

NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!:laugh:

Now that the mods aren't going to take out my sig because it isn't anything but your own words you have to try to threaten me and do some sort of thread sig ransom? :roll: You have extreme issues. Please don't embarass yourself anymore, PM me if you really want to discuss this further.

The thing that you don't seem to realize is that you are actually embarassing yourself just as much (if not more) than he is. This post makes you look childish and petty. The way I see it, if you had any interest at all in making this forum better you would accept his offer to meet you half way. By making the offer he has shown himself to be the bigger man than you, and your response speaks volumes about you.

Originally posted by: apoppin
EDIT:

i saw that "example" of 'flaming' in GH . . . they are flaming someone who belongs here.
[expect him shortly with his big brags, 30" LCD and no pics]
:Q

:roll:

Yeah, I'm not sure who I'm looking forward to more...
the OP braggart with no pics,
the teenage Taco Bell employee who makes up his rig specs,
or the daddy's boy who brags about being a spolied brat

...if you didn't read the whole thread, it obvioulsy gets way more interesting than some guy not posting pics...

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: sodcha0s
I'd say things in the video forum have toned way down in recent months. Granted I don't read every thread, but you don't see the total flame/FUD threads like we used to. It's basically minor stuff going on now, no biggie.

Agreed, it has been much better in the past few months. Though I don't think, they would shut down video they rarely if ever come in here....

 

[nullpointerus]

Can't we please just drop the sig digs? It's like knowingly strapping a leaky barrel of gunpowder on your back; you're just asking for trouble wherever you go. I'm about ready to get out my lighter (i.e. PM-ing the mods) if this little bout of threadcrapping doesn't stop.

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: josh6079

proposition for you..take your sigs off and I'll take mine off. Fair deal?

NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!:laugh:

Now that the mods aren't going to take out my sig because it isn't anything but your own words you have to try to threaten me and do some sort of thread sig ransom? :roll: You have extreme issues. Please don't embarass yourself anymore, PM me if you really want to discuss this further.

The thing that you don't seem to realize is that you are actually embarassing yourself just as much (if not more) than he is. This post makes you look childish and petty. The way I see it, if you had any interest at all in making this forum better you would accept his offer to meet you half way. By making the offer he has shown himself to be the bigger man than you, and your response speaks volumes about you.

Y'know, I really dislike the phrase speaks volumes about X. In my experience, the people who use it typically do so because they can't say anything concrete (i.e. useful) about the discussion or don't think that what they can say concretely is quite strong enough.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: josh6079

proposition for you..take your sigs off and I'll take mine off. Fair deal?

NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!:laugh:

Now that the mods aren't going to take out my sig because it isn't anything but your own words you have to try to threaten me and do some sort of thread sig ransom? :roll: You have extreme issues. Please don't embarass yourself anymore, PM me if you really want to discuss this further.

The thing that you don't seem to realize is that you are actually embarassing yourself just as much (if not more) than he is. This post makes you look childish and petty. The way I see it, if you had any interest at all in making this forum better you would accept his offer to meet you half way. By making the offer he has shown himself to be the bigger man than you, and your response speaks volumes about you.

nitro, I haven't disagreed with you in any thread that I recall. You are an intelligent person and I'm not trying to imply otherwise in my replies thus far in this thread. Yet, so far you've told me to take out my sig, and Joker, Wreckage, and beggerking himself have all followed my lead. I know that isn't something to brag about, but the fact is is that people reserve the right to quote others, especially in their own profile.

The only reason why he offered/did to take out his sig was because he knew that if somebody went to the mods with it, he would probably be in bigger trouble than I was simply because he was being hipocrytical. It wasn't a quote, but a refabrication with some improvised comments. It was not an example of him being "the bigger man" but of him not getting caught for the same thing he pointed the mods to me for. Even if he correctly quotes me and places one of my quotes in his sig, I wouldn't care. I don't tend to take things that personally and if he does tend to then maybe that's the problem. Fact is, he hasn't led me to believe that he wasn't out of control in any of our past discussions. Until he does so, I'm not going to change my sig.

If he really wants to discuss it with me, he can PM me, which he has not done yet. Instead it appears that he is wants to continue a discussion about another thread in this one, and remain in public veiw while doing it. If he wants to come and try to fix my sig and since it only pertains to him and I, he can do it privately instead of fumbling around on a thread about it.

I had an interest in making this forum better. There was a time where my sig was a link to "Boxing Ring" in order to entice those who were wanting to really debate with me and didn't want to PM me, they could do it in public there and not on a technical forum. Needless to say, it didn't work, because it all comes down to someone wanting to get an e-erection on the thread that the offenses initiated. So, now I will only ask those who are wanting to debate with me to PM me. If you want to continue talking about the sig of mine that has nothing to do with you or anybody else except beggerking, you can PM me.

 

[mancunian]

Originally posted by: josh6079

I'm going to tell you this one more time, PM ME IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THIS ANY FURTHER. STOP DERAILING THE THREAD.

Whatever you may think of this thread, there have been some mightily amusing moments in it.

 

[beggerking]

lol:
Hay Josh, I'm still waiting for your to explain your "Driver path is SLI" theory...or perhaps I was right on with my 2nd quote in your sig?

oh.. you left.. oh well..

 

[mancunian]

I should also perhaps point out that any amusement I have drawn from this, er, debate, have been contributed by all sides.

Note the word 'all'...

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: josh6079
nitro, I haven't disagreed with you in any thread that I recall. You are an intelligent person and I'm not trying to imply otherwise in my replies thus far in this thread. Yet, so far you've told me to take out my sig, and Joker, Wreckage, and beggerking himself have all followed my lead. I know that isn't something to brag about, but the fact is is that people reserve the right to quote others, especially in their own profile.

The only reason why he offered/did to take out his sig was because he knew that if somebody went to the mods with it, he would probably be in bigger trouble than I was simply because he was being hipocrytical. It wasn't a quote, but a refabrication with some improvised comments. It was not an example of him being "the bigger man" but of him not getting caught for the same thing he pointed the mods to me for. Even if he correctly quotes me and places one of my quotes in his sig, I wouldn't care. I don't tend to take things that personally and if he does tend to then maybe that's the problem. Fact is, he hasn't led me to believe that he wasn't out of control in any of our past discussions. Until he does so, I'm not going to change my sig.

If he really wants to discuss it with me, he can PM me, which he has not done yet. Instead it appears that he is wants to continue a discussion about another thread in this one, and remain in public veiw while doing it. If he wants to come and try to fix my sig and since it only pertains to him and I, he can do it privately instead of fumbling around on a thread about it.

I had an interest in making this forum better. There was a time where my sig was a link to "Boxing Ring" in order to entice those who were wanting to really debate with me and didn't want to PM me, they could do it in public there and not on a technical forum. Needless to say, it didn't work, because it all comes down to someone wanting to get an e-erection on the thread that the offenses initiated. So, now I will only ask those who are wanting to debate with me to PM me. If you want to continue talking about the sig of mine that has nothing to do with you or anybody else except beggerking, you can PM me.

As far as PM's go... Generally, I feel that PM's take away from the spirit of a forum, and should only be used to conduct private business. You disagreeing with me about your sig is certaily not a private matter nor is it business. Plus, this thread is the appropriate place to discuss this, and by discussing it in public it allows others to voice their opinion on the subject. Sadly for this forum and for me, only one person has agreed with me, but several have decided to emulate you.

Anyway, and more importantly, it's too bad that you have lost an interest in trying to make this a better forum because of a few people that have gotten under your skin.

 

[mancunian]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Sadly for this forum and for me, only one person has agreed with me, but several have decided to emulate you.

I agreed with you, it was merely the point, which either yourself or someone else made, that such a sig kinda ends a post with a snipe, which does devalue the poster's comments slightly. Not a lot maybe, but any devaluation is not good when expressing an opinion.

I have to say, I've seen more of Josh's posts than Beggerking, so can't really comment on the latter's virtues. But I'm fairly sure he has them.

With Josh, the guy is clearly pretty smart. So it does seem a bit of a shame that a snipe follows what are often, well-presented opinions.

It's just an opinion nitromullet and a few others including myself might have, the point being that your words often deserve a smarter sig.

I wanted this one myself:

"But when all said and done, it is a Celeron."

But I was afraid I'd offend....

 

[beggerking]

nitro: Just wanna say I agree with you..

Josh: Its obvious we all wasted our time trying to argue on that "made up " theory by you in the other thread and this one. You admitted you were wrong so it is pointless to further prove you wrong, I'm gonna leave this thread now and hopefully the flame will calm down. bye.

btw, hyperthreading in P4 is a way for bios software to fool itself into thinking there are 2 CPUs. Since software can be fooled into thinking there are more/less hardware than existed, you or (BFG) can't say " I dont believe 7950 is considered as a single card solution because SLI software sees it as 2 cards(GPUs)". In reality, there is only one slot connected..same as a dual-core CPU.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
There's nothing wrong with Josh's sig. since it's a direct quote of something beggerking posted. Now Crusader's signature on the other hand is there to provoke people into flaming him yet I haven't seen it brought up in this thread yet..hmmm.

The point is that by putting quotes or anything designed to portray another poster in a bad light in your sig puts you on the offensive with that individual everytime you post. Plus. you influence the perception that others will have of that poster.

The difference between your sig and Crusader's is that Crusader's sig only serves to reflect on himself, and doesn't make any statement or attack against other forum members.

My sig is a humorous display of beggerking's posts. You gotta admit, posting in FI asking to have me banned and using the reasons he did were quite laughable and definitely sig worthy.

Not laughable at all, although F.I. is not the proper place to complain about other members. PM's work best as I directed beggerking to do. No, not laughable. Not the quote of yours he has posted in that thread. I'd give you a vacation if I were a mod (not a mod) and keep an eye on you when you returned. I'd give you a chance. But if you did that again? Nuke.

Well Keys, being a hardcore nV supporter, would I expect you to say otherwise?

And my NV support has exactly what to do with your conduct?