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For the whatever-th time, I don't have a problem with switching PSUs. Hell, I'll sign this too. I agreed with you back on page 1; this is getting ridiculous.

I don't think you should have to replace the PSU.

Normally when people with slower CPUs want HD5850 or higher I tell them they should run Eyefinity in order to get their moneys worth out of the video card. (Of course with a slower CPU the person would still be limited to older games for playability)

However, in this case we are only talking a single 1080p monitor (at worst) and that could easily be handled by HD5750. Since HD5750 doesn't require a lot of power that second hand Mad dog PSU should work fine.
 

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Buying for the sake of longetivity isn't bad, I bought my HD 4870 back in november 2008, and yet, it is giving me an excellent service maxing any game that I want plus 4x or 8x FSAA at my native CPU bound resolution of 1280x1024, in the latest games is still going strong, I can max STALKER COP at DX10 mode and everything and never dips below 28fps, I find no reason yet to do an upgrade after more than a year with my card, heck I can get another one and do crossfire if I ever need it.

Telling the OP to buy 2008 performance like the HD 5770 offers and then upgrade sometime later this year will be an utter waste of money. Buying him an HD 5850 now will give him longetivity, once he upgrade his CPU, will gain even more performance than if he owned the HD 5770 instead.
 

TemjinGold

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OP: I felt compelled to respond and maybe try to clear the misconception. I understand your strategy of upgrades because I used to be like that myself. However, I've long discovered the flaw in it and would like to attempt to help you do the same. You mentioned a 5970 but I'll make it easier for you and do a 5870:

5870 NOW = $400 or more
5770 NOW = ~$160 (can be found cheaper on sale)

The 5770 route would have you upgrading in 2 years (because of your low res/cpu.) In 2 years, the $160 equivalent from either side of the fence would rape a 5870 with a rusty pipe. Keep that for another 2 years.

End result: Your method has you spending at least $400, not seeing any meaningful advantage for the first 2 years and seeing a disadvantage for the 2nd two years, assuming you keep it that long. Advantage means compared to getting 2 mid-range cards.

My method has you spending $320 total and at worst has you experiencing marginally worse performance due to your bottlenecks for the first 2 years, while experiencing much better performance for the 2nd two all while costing at least 20% less.

I know you're not a trade and sell type of guy but this calculation assumes you would throw the old card in the can.

What works for me is that, every time I have the upgrade itch, I throw that money aside. When the pile gets high enough, I go out and upgrade the whole system at once to whatever is the sweet spot then. I used to sell my old parts but now I mostly give them away due to ebay/paypal rapeage. I know this way is cheaper AND provides better experiences because I used to do it your way.

It's your money, so spend it how you like. I know you think you're saving money using your strategy but you're not because of how quickly high-end loses value. If you don't like tinkering with your box often or you have a hard time saving money (not judging, I've just had friends back in college who can't hold onto $20 for more than a week), then this strategy is not for you and your strat would indeed be better. But if you don't have that problem, you may want to reconsider what you plan to do.
 
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excellent post temjingold. this is a good example of how to put forth a well-reasoned argument without resorting to personal attacks.

I would like to throw in my 2c on this strategy. I used to just haphazardly buy video without much of a strategy, but I usually ended up with either too much cpu or too much gpu as well. A few years ago I got onto the "buy the best ~$150 card you can every year" strategy and it has worked unbelievably for me.

I started with an x1950xt. I had very poor timing as I bought it 6 mos before 3870 came out. ditched the x1950xt on fs/ft and lost ~$80 after 6 mos, bought a 3870 to replace it in mar/april 08 range. bought a 4850 a few months after launch, lost $50 in the swap. I would still have that one, but the annoying single slot cooler was too loud so I sold it on fs/ft and bought a gtx 260 oc, again for ~$50 net.

So I ended up going from x1950xt which was bought very late in the cycle, and now I have spent less than $200 over a 2 1/2 year period to keep generally midrange performance. I wanted to upgrade last year, but there wasn't anything respectable in the 150-200 range for me and I knew that my gtx 260 was worth only $100 so I waited. and waited. I'm still waiting, perhaps for 5830 or perhaps I will end up holding out a while longer and getting a fermi-based derivative in q4 2010 or q1 2011. Fortunately, there isn't much out there that smacks around a midrange card these days so I have options.
 

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OP: I felt compelled to respond and maybe try to clear the misconception. I understand your strategy of upgrades because I used to be like that myself. However, I've long discovered the flaw in it and would like to attempt to help you do the same. You mentioned a 5970 but I'll make it easier for you and do a 5870:

5870 NOW = $400 or more
5770 NOW = ~$160 (can be found cheaper on sale)

The 5770 route would have you upgrading in 2 years (because of your low res/cpu.) In 2 years, the $160 equivalent from either side of the fence would rape a 5870 with a rusty pipe. Keep that for another 2 years.

End result: Your method has you spending at least $400, not seeing any meaningful advantage for the first 2 years and seeing a disadvantage for the 2nd two years, assuming you keep it that long. Advantage means compared to getting 2 mid-range cards.

My method has you spending $320 total and at worst has you experiencing marginally worse performance due to your bottlenecks for the first 2 years, while experiencing much better performance for the 2nd two all while costing at least 20% less.

I know you're not a trade and sell type of guy but this calculation assumes you would throw the old card in the can.

What works for me is that, every time I have the upgrade itch, I throw that money aside. When the pile gets high enough, I go out and upgrade the whole system at once to whatever is the sweet spot then. I used to sell my old parts but now I mostly give them away due to ebay/paypal rapeage. I know this way is cheaper AND provides better experiences because I used to do it your way.

It's your money, so spend it how you like. I know you think you're saving money using your strategy but you're not because of how quickly high-end loses value. If you don't like tinkering with your box often or you have a hard time saving money (not judging, I've just had friends back in college who can't hold onto $20 for more than a week), then this strategy is not for you and your strat would indeed be better. But if you don't have that problem, you may want to reconsider what you plan to do.

I would like to throw in my 2c on this strategy. I used to just haphazardly buy video without much of a strategy, but I usually ended up with either too much cpu or too much gpu as well. A few years ago I got onto the "buy the best ~$150 card you can every year" strategy and it has worked unbelievably for me.

I started with an x1950xt. I had very poor timing as I bought it 6 mos before 3870 came out. ditched the x1950xt on fs/ft and lost ~$80 after 6 mos, bought a 3870 to replace it in mar/april 08 range. bought a 4850 a few months after launch, lost $50 in the swap. I would still have that one, but the annoying single slot cooler was too loud so I sold it on fs/ft and bought a gtx 260 oc, again for ~$50 net.

So I ended up going from x1950xt which was bought very late in the cycle, and now I have spent less than $200 over a 2 1/2 year period to keep generally midrange performance. I wanted to upgrade last year, but there wasn't anything respectable in the 150-200 range for me and I knew that my gtx 260 was worth only $100 so I waited. and waited. I'm still waiting, perhaps for 5830 or perhaps I will end up holding out a while longer and getting a fermi-based derivative in q4 2010 or q1 2011. Fortunately, there isn't much out there that smacks around a midrange card these days so I have options.

Both of these points are very valid. temjingold, I'd like to point out that I wouldn't consider the 5770 to be a mid-range card, and that the second year of owning that card would suck. Under ordinary gaming market conditions, that is. These days, yes, a $150 card could last me 2 years.

to byranw: I think that your "buy a $150 card every year" method points out the true long-term value of these cards. However, today's $150 cards are faster than an Xbox 360. Hell, so is my card.


So, I guess what I'm getting out of this is that anything will run modern games at 1440x900. If thinkgs get so dreary that I simply can't play modern games anymore on this thing, then I'll buy a $150 card...

If this thing keeps on sloggin' through today's games, though, I'll keep her for a while. I originally said "until this fall," but that's not a hard deadline. If Jumpgate Evolution comes out and she can't run it on High, then I'll rethink my options. But if nothing comes out that I can't play (and yes, it must at least look relatively good at whatever settings I can take) this year, then I'll save my $150. And my $400.

As you guys have taken into account with your LCD suggestions, monitors hold their value better than internal components. However, the sheer number of 120hz screens launching this year could inject some competition into that market, and drive prices down. If ATI embraces a 3-d solution in their 6000 series, then the cost of the glasses will probably drop too...

If I'm not seeing much gains from the first year of upgrades, why have a first-year upgrade? It would be nice to get onto some sort of upgrade schedule, so I'll try to pick parts (eventually) that result in a more easily upgradeable system. And do it all at once, even though I'm not convinced that said method actually saves money. Perhaps I'll mirror my last cycle -- save money by buying a card at the end of its life-cycle, after something else comes along that's the "next big thing." In any case, you've convinced me not to upgrade this year unless things get worse.

If $150 cards can last for two years, then apparently performance shouldn't be a reason to go big or go home. I mentioned 3dVision several times; I'd really like to get a setup working. Sometime.

Conclusion/tldr: I'll just save, and do a larger (meaning price, performance boost, or both) upgrade next year. Or buy a $150 card this year, if needed.
I still don't think that I'd hold on to a $150 card for more than a year, though.


It's not really worth spending money to support AvP, Bioshock 2, etc. What games that are coming out this year will both be fun and require a lot of muscle to play? I can't think of any. So, if I upgrade soon, it'll just be for the 3-D. And a 9800 can run 3dVison just fine, thank you. At least, it can run Freelancer in 3-d. Probably at the full 120 fps, too. What else could you need?

At that point, however, all of the upgrade cost is going towards the 3-d setup. Might as well wait until that setup gets cheaper...

Oh ze noes, my logic is recursing!

I think I just put a tl;dr smack-dab in the middle of a post, and wrote an entire paragraph for it. Whoa.
 

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OP: If you think you wouldn't hold onto a $150 card for 2 years, you may be seriously underestimating the 5770. It's actually easier to do so than holding onto your current card for the 3 years that you did. Because so many things are cross platform now, graphics demand on games won't budge much until the next gen consoles come out...
 

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OP: If you think you wouldn't hold onto a $150 card for 2 years, you may be seriously underestimating the 5770. It's actually easier to do so than holding onto your current card for the 3 years that you did. Because so many things are cross platform now, graphics demand on games won't budge much until the next gen consoles come out...

Once again, 3dVision. A 9800 would make a small amount of sense, though, at $100. We'll see.
 

bryanW1995

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I think that you're making the right choice. also, you have the baking option mentioned in the other thread if the 7950 takes a dump on you. with any luck the market will be back to the good ole' days of cheap prices before you need to buy again.
 

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I think that you're making the right choice. also, you have the baking option mentioned in the other thread if the 7950 takes a dump on you. with any luck the market will be back to the good ole' days of cheap prices before you need to buy again.

Somehow, I doubt that this card will fail. At all. If it can hold out 3 years with no crashes or overheating issues, then it can probably survive another. Right? When and if I take it out, it'll be going on the wall. As an antique that still has some life in it.

If this think dies, I'll be heartbroken. No exaggeration. You guys speak of feeling "chained" to video cards... Instead, I've gotten emotionally attached to mine.
 

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AFAIK the 7900 series didn't have the problems with randomly dying that the 8800 (G80) series had. We still have a 7900 GS in perfect working condition, and several others I know have 7900 GTs, GTXs, and GTOs shelved as a spare. In comparison, I know at least 5 people that had 8800 GTS' and GTXs die.
 

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Thank you, kind sir, for proving my point. Note that the high-end gpu from the previous year performs just as well as the new mid-grade gpu, whereas the previous year's mid-grade gpu shows abysmal performance. Buy buying a mid-grade gpu now, I'd doom myself to having a low-end card by the time I switch CPUs.

It's important to note that I'm not cpu-bottlenecked yet; not with the 7950. Therefore, I will see a performance increase from a gpu upgrade this year. If I go high-end, that gpu will bring more power to bear once I switch cpus. If I don't, then my "oh look, a deal!" gpu from this year will be a piece of shit by the time I put a new processor in the rig.

Once again, going high-end gives me a 3-year life cycle instead of 2.

As for your power argument: I care why? I live in a college dorm; there are no power bills.

About features: You do have a point there. However, this one can be circumvented by catching the technological wave at just the right moment. What features of nVidia's 200 series do the 8000s lack? How important are they?

You've missed the critical point.

That is: the better strategy is to buy a mid-range card every cycle. Buy a mid-range CPU and GPU every other cycle. You will end up spending the same amount of money in the long run, will have the same performance at every point in the process due to CPU limitation. However, that same performance will come with lower power consumption and with better features.

You're also being self-contradictory with your argument about power. You say you buy for longevity, but do you plan to live in a college dorm forever?

To get the best features, you will usually need to switch brands each cycle, as ATI and NVIDIA tend to leapfrog each other in that area. (First it was 3d vision, then eyefinity, etc.)
 

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Somehow, I doubt that this card will fail. At all. If it can hold out 3 years with no crashes or overheating issues, then it can probably survive another. Right? When and if I take it out, it'll be going on the wall. As an antique that still has some life in it.

If this think dies, I'll be heartbroken. No exaggeration. You guys speak of feeling "chained" to video cards... Instead, I've gotten emotionally attached to mine.

THAT'S the real issue. When you spend $600 on a GPU, you tend to value it more than is reasonable. You said yourself (in the OP) that the card is failing. You've just gotten attached to it and don't want to see reality.

Blue Shift said:
...and the real kicker: There are problems. I have to restart my computer before launching nearly any recent game, or else I get the dreaded shimmering black artifacts. In the sky, in the shadow, in random places on objects... They don't show up in screenshots, which is fucking weird.

What you describe sounds exactly like a (chronic, not acute) hardware failure. Either some of the shaders or the memory is going bad. Face it, the 7950 is broken, and there's no reason to hold onto a slow, broken card when a $150 part will keep you gaming at 1440x900 for at least a year.

Here's some math: 600/4 years = $300/ 2 years = $150/1 year. If you want to throw the time-value of money into the equation:
year 1: $600
year 2: $0
year 3: $0
year 4: $0
results in a greater total expenditure than
year 1: $300
year 2: $0
year 3: $300
year 4: $0
which results in a greater total expenditure than
year 1: $150
year 2: $150
year 3: $150
year 4: $150
 
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cbn

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Does anyone know how much better a HD5750 would be compared to a 7950 GT?

I would expect it to feel like a big upgrade.
 

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Does anyone know how much better a HD5750 would be compared to a 7950 GT?

I would expect it to feel like a big upgrade.

Its hard to find benchmarks that directly compare the 2 since they're so far apart generationally-speaking.

This is 3dMark06
Nvidia Geforce 7950 GX2 2x512 MB : 3273
ATI Radeon HD 5750 (1024 MB) : 6616
About twice as fast in that bench.
 

cbn

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Its hard to find benchmarks that directly compare the 2 since they're so far apart generationally-speaking.

This is 3dMark06
Nvidia Geforce 7950 GX2 2x512 MB : 3273
ATI Radeon HD 5750 (1024 MB) : 6616
About twice as fast in that bench.

I know 8800 GT was a big jump up from the single GPU 7900 series cards.

I would imagine something like HD5750 is something like 30% to 40% stronger than 8800 GT in raw calculation power.

How much better was 8800 GT compared to 7950 GT?
 
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mfenn

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I know 8800 GT was a big jump up from the single GPU 7900 series cards.

I would imagine something like HD5750 is something like 30% to 40% stronger than 8800 GT in raw calculation power.

How much better was 8800 GT compared to 7950 GT?

Still 3dmark06
Nvidia Geforce 8800 GT 512 MB : 4984

EDIT: Full comparison here.
 
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cbn

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Still 3dmark06
Nvidia Geforce 8800 GT 512 MB : 4984

Thanks for looking that up.

One critcism I have about 3dmark is that the free benchmarks are always at low resolution and the resulting scores are usually heavily affected by the CPU for obvious reasons.
 

mfenn

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Thanks for looking that up.

One critcism I have about 3dmark is that the free benchmarks are always at low resolution and the resulting scores are usually heavily affected by the CPU for obvious reasons.

Yeah, that's true. It seems like it's the only benchmark that people run over a long period of time though. Of course, most people don't want to compare 2006's high end to today's mid-range.

Check out my edit, I found the link to the full comparison.
 

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Buying for the sake of longetivity isn't bad, I bought my HD 4870 back in november 2008, and yet, it is giving me an excellent service maxing any game that I want plus 4x or 8x FSAA at my native CPU bound resolution of 1280x1024, in the latest games is still going strong, I can max STALKER COP at DX10 mode and everything and never dips below 28fps, I find no reason yet to do an upgrade after more than a year with my card, heck I can get another one and do crossfire if I ever need it.

Telling the OP to buy 2008 performance like the HD 5770 offers and then upgrade sometime later this year will be an utter waste of money. Buying him an HD 5850 now will give him longetivity, once he upgrade his CPU, will gain even more performance than if he owned the HD 5770 instead.
2008 performance? a 5770 is pretty close to top of the line single card performance from most of last year. heck Hardocp found the 5770 could still play most games at 1920. so you want him to use a top of the line card with a cpu that was mid range cpu in 2006 and at low res? that is absolutely horrible advice for someone that is not going to upgrade their cpu for a year. if he had a better cpu than sure but with a 5000 X2 at just 1440x900 why throw away money for a year?

again by the time he upgrades there will be faster cards for a cheaper price. their is zero advantage to having a card that you cant even remotely utilize for a year. I dont think you have any idea how silly a 5850, 5870 or god forbid a 5970 would be to use with that cpu. that cpu would not even him allow to use more than even half of a 5770 in some modern games and something like a 5850 or faster would be ridiculously wasted. a 5770 or 5750 should be the absolute fastest cards he should consider in his current situation. then all he has to do is sell that card and get a new one when he upgrades his system next year.

TemjinGold, and most others seemed to have figured this out so I dont understand why you cant. all we are trying to do is save the OP a crap load of money. and he will be getting the same playable experience by going the cheaper route anyway.
 
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Ok, so Blueshift. I must say, I will agree with Toyota in a less brutally honest manor. Both new technology and price drops will come in the next year for CPUs and GPUs. A CPU and Motherboard have far more longevity than a Graphics Card. You could spend $500-$600 on a new chipset with a 9800/ 260/ 4770 to hold you over (while keeping up with modern graphics at your res) and buy the new mid - high range card which will have better performance and then, last you longer yet. It does make a ton of sense. I think he's probably had to explain it far too many times to others to have desire to fully explain it again. Since you love gradual upgrades so much maybe consider an i3 with a P55 or H55 mobo (which has socket compatibility with the i5 and i7 as well) so you won't be upgrading your mobo along with the proc. You could also be a tad more risky and go with an X58 and an i7. This approach is more costly, but the 1366 seems to be where intel seems to be going for their Sandy Beach and Haswell after they move through the i7.
So your path for purchases would go like this

Year 1: H55 or P55 with i3 = $200 + ~$150 for GPU = $350 - $400
Year 2: Mid - High end GPU (probably a Fermi or 5970 ) = ~$300
Year 3: Nothing
Year 4: Processor upgrade to Quad Core i5/i7 (probably $100 -$150 at that time)
Year 5: Possible G-Card upgrade = ~ $350 - $400
Year 6: Nothing

Total: $1250

Compared to yours:

Year 1: GPU = $700 + PSU = $80 - $100 (with notable performance hits)
Year 2: CPU = $200 + Motherboard = $100 (rids performance hits)
Year 3: Nothing
Year 4: GPU = $700 (possible performance hits again)
Year 5: CPU = $200 + Motherboard = $100 (rids performance hits)
Year 6: Nothing

Total: $2100

I know it is irritating to think about getting rid of that chipset after only having it for a year, but it happens. You made a bad decision, and now you are paying for it, but don't make another decision that costs you even more money. Think about it this way. You are making better use of the money you spend this way. You are using what works at the time at the level it needs to. You certainly acknowledge the (rather large) bottleneck you face. Why not just make purchases to balance your system rather than distort it further for a barely noticeable gain?

You will end up with a much better system by the third year and ESPECIALLY the sixth year going this route, because your system is prepped for the upgrades rather than having significant performance hits and unbalanced hardware for a year.
 
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TemjinGold

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Guys, we've laid things out and explained in depth. There isn't anything more for us to do. The OP needs to use this advice and form his own opinion/decision at this point.

OP: There are 2 more advantages to the 5770 over the other choices (9800 included): Power and Noise. I don't know if you pay for your own power but a 5770 can actually save you a significant amount on the electric bill. I went from a 4890 to a 5850 and my electric bill dropped $5/month (fairly significant percentage-wise because I live alone and my bill went from $23 to $18.) A 5770 is even more efficient. When I turn my PC on with the 4890, I can generally hear the fan spin up and stay fairly loud. With the 5850, I can't even tell that the pc just turned on if not for the blue light on the case. A 5770 I'm told (by my brother who bought one and also has a 5850) is even quieter...
 

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Here's how I imagine things would break down for the OP by the time he gets a new CPU.
5850 now on sale = 300-15% off = $255
5770 now on sale = 160 - 15% off =$136
By the time he upgradres the CPU in a year I think he'd see a maximum decrease in price of about 20%. As such prices would be something like:
5850 = 240
5770 = 128
selling the 5770 would probably net about 110 since it was purchased for 136 that's a loss of $26. Keeping the 5850 means he would have overspent by $15.
Thus assuming he upgrades in less than a year AND wants at least 5850 performance at that time it would be about $11 cheaper to get a 5850 now on sale than get a 5770 as an interim card.
Granted a lot more options open up once you sell your card and the 5850 may not be the best price/performance at that time, but it will still be fast enough for the majority of games for quite some time to come. I don't suggest a 5870 simply because its performance isn't that much greater than a 5850 so I imagine the cards will have about the same lifespan.
 

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Ok, so Blueshift. I must say, I will agree with Toyota in a less brutally honest manor. Both new technology and price drops will come in the next year for CPUs and GPUs. A CPU and Motherboard have far more longevity than a Graphics Card. You could spend $500-$600 on a new chipset with a 9800/ 260/ 4770 to hold you over (while keeping up with modern graphics at your res) and buy the new mid - high range card which will have better performance and then, last you longer yet. It does make a ton of sense. I think he's probably had to explain it far too many times to others to have desire to fully explain it again. Since you love gradual upgrades so much maybe consider an i3 with a P55 or H55 mobo (which has socket compatibility with the i5 and i7 as well) so you won't be upgrading your mobo along with the proc. You could also be a tad more risky and go with an X58 and an i7. This approach is more costly, but the 1366 seems to be where intel seems to be going for their Sandy Beach and Haswell after they move through the i7.
So your path for purchases would go like this

Year 1: H55 or P55 with i3 = $200 + ~$150 for GPU = $350 - $400
Year 2: Mid - High end GPU (probably a Fermi or 5970 ) = ~$300
Year 3: Nothing
Year 4: Processor upgrade to Quad Core i5/i7 (probably $100 -$150 at that time)
Year 5: Possible G-Card upgrade = ~ $350 - $400
Year 6: Nothing

Total: $1250

Compared to yours:

Year 1: GPU = $700 + PSU = $80 - $100 (with notable performance hits)
Year 2: CPU = $200 + Motherboard = $100 (rids performance hits)
Year 3: Nothing
Year 4: GPU = $700 (possible performance hits again)
Year 5: CPU = $200 + Motherboard = $100 (rids performance hits)
Year 6: Nothing

Total: $2100

I know it is irritating to think about getting rid of that chipset after only having it for a year, but it happens. You made a bad decision, and now you are paying for it, but don't make another decision that costs you even more money. Think about it this way. You are making better use of the money you spend this way. You are using what works at the time at the level it needs to. You certainly acknowledge the (rather large) bottleneck you face. Why not just make purchases to balance your system rather than distort it further for a barely noticeable gain?

You will end up with a much better system by the third year and ESPECIALLY the sixth year going this route, because your system is prepped for the upgrades rather than having significant performance hits and unbalanced hardware for a year.

Thank you for so eloquently summing up the argument that myself and others have been making. :) Hopefully the OP will see the logic in your post.
 

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What I'm not getting from the way you are summing up is how you are getting your prices:

Year 1: GPU = $300 + PSU = $350 - $400 (with notable performance hits)
Year 2: CPU = $150 + Motherboard = $220-300 (rids performance hits)
Year 3: Nothing
Year 4: GPU = $400 (possible performance hits again)
Year 5: CPU + MOBO = $300 (rids performance hits)
Year 6: Nothing

At the end of year 6 that would be about 1400 spent. I also don't think you'd have to buy another PSU the second time since a $100 PSU can get you a pretty decent amount of power. The second CPU upgrade is also questionable since you may not need to replace the mobo. A lot of your numbers and assumptions are a bit fallacious since you're calculating a $300 hit for CPU + mobo for his position and only a $200 hit for toyotas and you even go lower than that in year 4. Also you neglect the price of a PSU anywhere in toyota's calculations.

Year 1: H55 or P55 with i3 = $200 + ~$150 for GPU = $350 - $400
Year 2: Mid - High end GPU (probably a Fermi or 5970 )+ PSU = ~$350-400 (Do you really think they'd drop by half in a year?? ) Realistically 5870 at 340 or so.
Year 3: Nothing
Year 4: Needs to be fair $300 new MOBO + CPU. Otherwise his strategy should be same cost.
Year 5: Possible G-Card upgrade = ~ $350 - $400
Year 6: Nothing


Total: 1500

So in conclusion these numbers will come out pretty close, and since we aren't factoring selling parts into this OP's strategy will come out cheaper. Factoring selling into it toyota's will probably be a little cheaper, but a lot more work. I should also mention his strategy would end up with him having a better CPU starting from year 2 compared with an i3 he'd get in year 1. The GPU however at that point might be weaker depending on what's available and for how much it costs. That is very speculative though.
 
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