Repeat after me: "I don't live in a police state" (UK)

[JohnOfSheffield]

It is NOT the job of the police to enforce what they think should be a crime, rather it is their job to enforce laws that are already existing. Do you really think it should be up to the police to go around and arrest people just because of what they think should be a crime? What if the police think being gay is a crime, but the law says otherwise?

As usual, you are arguing from a strict myopic point of view. For instance, I don't own a gun currently, but I don't feel it is my position to dictate that others should not be able to own a gun should they feel it necessary and do so in a law abiding manner.

For freedom and liberty to work, you have to think beyond yourself.

Regardless on that view, i think we can all agree that Hal shold never be let close to any firearm.

For his own safety and for others, wait... Darwins law might win this one and i always love when that happens...

Don't argue with him, hand him a firearm!

 

[HAL9000]

Oh i want to meet up, i really do.

But you fail my fuckable test in three ways, one, you'e a boy, two, you are very young, three, you're not attractive.

I wouldn't even do your girlfriend because i'm fairly sure she's hideous, she kinda has to be to be your girlfriend.

Why in the fuck would I want to meet up with someone who posts that, friend?

It is NOT the job of the police to enforce what they think should be a crime, rather it is their job to enforce laws that are already existing. Do you really think it should be up to the police to go around and arrest people just because of what they think should be a crime? What if the police think being gay is a crime, but the law says otherwise?

I completely agree with you, but this guy could have been committing a crime and it was the polices job to find out if that was the case, it was their duty and he was making it difficult

As usual, you are arguing from a strict myopic point of view. For instance, I don't own a gun currently, but I don't feel it is my position to dictate that others should not be able to own a gun should they feel it necessary and do so in a law abiding manner.

For freedom and liberty to work, you have to think beyond yourself.

of course you do, which is why when I say I don't think people should be allowed to own guns, I'm not just talking about myself, I'm talking about everyone, everywhere.

 

[nobodyknows]

They couldn't have proved he was committing a crime.

DUHHHHH!! They even knew him and had stopped him before, yet they stoppedhim again and harrassed him when they knew he was legal?? It seems to me that starting to verge on being police harrassment.

That's because what he was doing should have been a crime, but they couldn't prove what he was doing was a crime. Even the police over there know it should be a crime.

Uhh, the police don't get to decide what is or should be a crime. Is that the w3ay it works in England? There job is to enforce the laws as written, and as we all know, we have the 2nd Amendment.

 

[HAL9000]

DUHHHHH!! They even knew him and had stopped him before, yet they stoppedhim again and harrassed him when they knew he was legal?? It seems to me that starting to verge on being police harrassment.[quote

Uhh, the police don't get to decide what is or should be a crime. Is that the w3ay it works in England? There job is to enforce the laws as written, and as we all know, we have the 2nd Amendment.

Uhh, I never said the police get to decide.

If people are phoning the police, scared, it is their duty to look into it. If this guy wasn't being a moron there would be no problem.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Don't worry John, we know HAL9000 is not a fair representative of your average English bloke. In fact, I posed this question to HAL the other day, does he think his views represent the average citizen in general. He said yes, at least one, maybe more, citizens of your country firmly disagreed.

The kid is mentally ill per his own admission but you'd be surprised how many will run with it and say "look, look at least us Americans are not that bad".

Thank you for taking into account that he's who he is, in reality, we don't like a lot of the shit that goes on in our nation, but i suppose that is what it's like for any inhabitant in a free nation... Then there are people like hal who will like anything authoritarian, i just wish we could export them, from ALL nations.

 

[davmat787]

1) He's wasting police time
2) He's carrying a gun and filming it just so he can get people riled up
3) He's pushing his rights to the limit just so he can argue with the police.
4) He's scaring people who are calling the police on him.
5) He's refusing to show his ID, just so he can waste more police time.

I think that's enough.

And all of those actions are fully legal here in the US. Why limit your actions just because you are worried what others might think? Aren't you gay or bi? Do you not give a hoot what others might think or are worried about in this context?

I don't know why I even bother... ugh.

The only line you tow is what the police/government say you can. Whenever that line moves, so do you. You stand for nothing.

 

[HAL9000]

And all of those actions are fully legal here in the US.

Morons don't have to be committing a crime to be morons.

Why limit your actions just because you are worried what others might think? Aren't you gay or bi? Do you not give a hoot what others might think or are worried about in this context?

I don't know why I even bother... ugh.

My sexuality isn't dangerous to other random people, carrying an AK47 is.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Why in the fuck would I want to meet up with someone who posts that, friend?

To have a beer, of course.

I don't know if alcohol messes with your anti-psychotics though, perhaps that is why you are acting like you are right now.

OTOH, it might be fun.

 

[HAL9000]

The only line you tow is what the police/government say you can. Whenever that line moves, so do you. You stand for nothing.

I stand for a huge number of things, it just so happens that some of them my country agree with me, some of them my country doesn't agree with me.

 

[HAL9000]

To have a beer, of course.

OTOH, it might be fun.

Why would I want to have a beer with someone who insults me regularly like you do, if someone calls me a wise and beautiful woman, I don't want to have a beer with them.

 

[ShawnD1]

CCTV is a very good thing, I don't see any problems with it. I'm the people who get drunk are not the problem with Essex.

Can you explain how CCTV helps? You're walking down the street. I'm in my chav clothes, I approach you with a knife, I chav stab you, I take your money, I chav saunter away. Ok so now the police have video proof that you were stabbed by a non-descript chav. That sure helps

 

[nobodyknows]

CCTV is a very good thing, I don't see any problems with it. I'm the people who get drunk are not the problem with Essex.



what happened here

You refuted what exactly?

You started the insults not me.

Quit acting dumb.

 

[HAL9000]

Can you explain how CCTV helps? You're talking down the street. I'm in my chav clothes, I approach you with a knife, I chav stab you, I take your money, I chav saunter away. Ok so now the police have video proof that you were stabbed by a non-descript chav. That sure helps

It would sure help in London, where they could follow you through the entire capital, all they way back to your chav house. Or until you meet your chav friends, or until it is possible for an officer to arrest you chav.

 

[HAL9000]

Quit acting dumb.

I'm in the middle of conversations with about 10 people, i can't remember what you say you refuted.

 

[nobodyknows]

Uhh, I never said the police get to decide.

Good. You did try to bolster your argument by saying that even the police knew it should be a crime. I think most police, especially big city police would rather no one have any guns since that would make their job easier.

If people are phoning the police, scared, it is their duty to look into it. If this guy wasn't being a moron there would be no problem.

The only moron here is you.

 

[HAL9000]

Good. You did try to bolster your argument by saying that even the police knew it should be a crime. I think most police, especially big city police would rather no one have any guns since that would make their job easier.

The only moron here is you.

Nothing you want me to reply to?

OK.

 

[nobodyknows]

I'm in the middle of conversations with about 10 people, i can't remember what you say you refuted.

Again, I accused you of trolling and I presented my evidence, which you refuted... and then called me a moron, so you started the name calling you dip shit brit.

An accusation is not the same as a supposed statement of fact. You started it, I'm finishing it. You just made my ignore list dip shit brit.

 

[HAL9000]

An accusation is not the same as a supposed statement of fact. You started it, I'm finish it. You just made my ignore list dip shi brit.

OK...? :|

 

[davmat787]

An accusation is not the same as a supposed statement of fact. You started it, I'm finishing it. You just made my ignore list dip shit brit.

By placing HAL9000 on your ignore list, you can expect an immediate decrease in your bandwidth usage by 33.7% at least! :awe:

 

[HAL9000]

By placing HAL9000 on your ignore list, you can expect an immediate decrease in your bandwidth usage by 33.7% at least! :awe:

Alas no, my posts still get read into memory by loading the page, even if you don't read them.

 

[ShawnD1]

It would sure help in London, where they could follow you through the entire capital, all they way back to your chav house. Or until you meet your chav friends, or until it is possible for an officer to arrest you chav.

In theory, but this never seems to happen. If police watching people did something, London's crime rate would be very very low. If the cameras worked, I would be the first one demanding they be installed in my own city. The problem is that they don't work. Every stat out there says Britain is a violent place. Chavs have complete control of the streets. A group of 5 of them can kick your ass and the police will likely never arrest even one of them in relation to that crime.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...s-of-cctv-cameras-yet-80-of-crime-unsolved.do

London has 10,000 crime-fighting CCTV cameras which cost £200 million, figures show today.

But an analysis of the publicly funded spy network, which is owned and controlled by local authorities and Transport for London, has cast doubt on its ability to help solve crime.

A comparison of the number of cameras in each London borough with the proportion of crimes solved there found that police are no more likely to catch offenders in areas with hundreds of cameras than in those with hardly any.

It simply doesn't work. The only way to have police help the crime situation is to have police in the area and ready to beat some ass. The cameras don't deter anything because they don't actually catch anything and they can't beat your ass the way a police officer can.

 

[HAL9000]

In theory, but this never seems to happen. If police watching people did something, London's crime rate would be very very low. If the cameras worked, I would be the first one demanding they be installed in my own city. The problem is that they don't work. Every stat out there says Britain is a violent place. Chavs have complete control of the streets. A group of 5 of them can kick your ass and the police will likely never arrest even one of them in relation to that crime.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...s-of-cctv-cameras-yet-80-of-crime-unsolved.do


It simply doesn't work. The only way to have police help the crime situation is to have police in the area and ready to beat some ass. The cameras don't deter anything because they don't actually catch anything and they can't beat your ass the way a police officer can.

Interesting, I've got a few friends in the Met that would disagree but there we go. I'm talking about whether the cameras are a good IDEA not whether they are being used well in practice. That's not my argument to make.

 

[StinkyPinky]

It's actually perfectly legal to carry an unloaded AK47 around LA as long as you avoid school zones and aren't pointing it at anyone.

Most states are even less restrictive than CA in this regard. Just because you can doesn't mean people do.



No you wouldn't, but you don't understand gun laws apparently.

Note lack of murdering in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUd_00Xrf_U

Also HAL9000 probably doesn't want to watch it, it would make him wet himself.

Whatever. There are a few states in this country where it is illegal to carry firearms

By the way I just read an article about some kids in Washington getting arrested by police for underage drinking....via their facebook status. OMG POLICE STATEZ. Or certain drugs are illegal here but are legal elsewhere. OMG POLICE STATEZ.

I mean, holy shit, each country has different laws. Fuck me. Doesn't mind they're under the thumb.

 

[schneiderguy]

My sexuality isn't dangerous to other random people, carrying an AK47 is.

Carrying an AK47 isn't dangerous to anyone if you have no intention to use it in a bad way.

 

[HAL9000]

Carrying an AK47 isn't dangerous to anyone if you have no intention to use it in a bad way.

No one around him has any idea of his intentions