Starbuck1975
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Joe Biden has nothing but praise for Obama. "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said.What's wrong? Was Obama to ez to understand? You desire a word salad peppered with lies?
Donald Trump's Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia
His dodge is a classic magician’s tricktime.com
Links between Trump associates and Russian officials - Wikipedia
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If Trump said something like that, it would be turned into Trump is racist and a puppet of Russia.
GoodRevrnd
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Ya, I'll still take out of touch obliviously racist uncle joe over this corrupt divisive malignant dumpster fire any day of the week.
zzyzxroad
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When exactly was it "great" though and how would you quantify that? The U.S. has always been racist, violent, segregated, and for much of its history, imperialistic, and after WWII, also caught in the hands of the military-industrial complex. The U.S. has invaded and/or bombed more countries than any other in modern history, and not always for what one even with a rather flexible moral compass could call just reasons.
Both the vietnam and the iraq II wars were predicated on sheer and utter lies, to mention just two examples, and both of those were incredibly deadly and destructive for those nations.
ch33zw1z
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Cool, does that make you uncomfortable?
Trump's deep financial ties to Russia totes coo tho, amirite?
You failed to respond to my actual post, and tried to make it about Biden, shocking.
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The best I can say is that I felt your words to be entirely too comfortable and thought playing with them with a tiny bit of aggression might lead somewhere meaningful for us.
Hayabusa Rider
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Brandon beat me to posting this. He has a challenger https://theintercept.com/2020/06/01/andom-ghebreghiorgis-jamaal-bowman-primary-eliot-engel/
Hopefully Engel gets ousted. What a turd sandwich.
If Bowman wins, fully expect the OP and his fans to attack him as well, as he's a progressive more to the style of AOC.
Jamaal Bowman For Congress
Rep. Jamaal Bowman is a community leader and progressive in Congress fighting for teachers, students, and families.www.bowmanforcongress.com
Toss him out like Trump because party is unimportant where character is concerned.
Hayabusa Rider
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If this man were to become President he would still be reprehensible for cause. If we disregard magnitudes of depravity for the moment, we have a case of one person with so little influence that the damage he can do is very small compared to one who holds the top office in the most powerful nation in the world. That means Trump can do many orders of magnitude of good or harm than this Rep. that needs to go.
Now we factor in demonstrated depravity of each and raise that to the respective powers of their offices and we find that one, Trump, can do and does the greater real harm. If we find that this person in NY needs to go (and we do) then Trump all the more. Both must go, so yes, both sides in this case are unfit. In degree of harm each represents Trump is vastly more dangerous .
My problem now is to figure out where to begin before I drown in a cascade of thoughts. "The best I can say is that I felt" This says to me that you, like me, are open to assessment of this or that context on the basis of inclinations that appear from a source that is not necessarily accessible to language and about which I don't know any real scientific language I can think of to name.
"entirely too comfortable" This is even more difficult to deal with. 1. I feel that is exactly the point I was trying to make, that any judgement we settle on can clarify and blind at the same time. We want to express our feelings as thoughts to appease a stress that comes from not knowing, but, in my opinion at least, thinking we know and not really knowing prevents further searching and is the greatest obstacle to learning the truth I can think of, other, of course, to not really wanting to know, and which makes them intimately connected.
2. If I want to take this seriously I have to ask myself what is it you think I am too comfortable about. Before you asked me if I was calling you a liar I had posted once to you and also had commented on his remark as you did. My inclination is to assume you were commenting on my post to you rather than my post to him. Is that correct?
You had said: "If that is true, then I say we shouldn't have politicians at all. But I don't think that is true, either. Do you truly believe it? If so, what are you doing about your tyrannical government?"
I then tried to suggest that I could see truth not only in what he had said but also in your challenge to him. I had previously also asked Greenman to consider another perspective.
In his corner I put, "I think Greenman is right. I think most politicians perform many actions for political effect. Here in "The problem I have is that I believe that opposites resolve at a higher level of understanding" I implied that you have a corner also namely: "Self hate will turn thought into cunning but not everything people may hope to achieve has always to be bad." I was suggesting you were correct in suggesting, and I may be wrong in assuming this was your intent, but suggesting, as I thought you did, that he was being too negative. Was this where I was too comfortable? He did say most and nobody in my opinion should be too sure of that but in our culture and with the assumptions we commonly make, it fits with the beliefs of many I would say. And depending on what we mean by 'political effect' it would apply universally simply as definitional of what politics is.
At any rate, and if the last thought I just expressed is true, then your remark, "If that is true, then I say we shouldn't have politicians at all." is an impossibility and not something he was suggesting.
Here again, the discussion as to whether we should have politicians opens the door to so many thoughts I just won't go there.
Finally, with regard to: "a tiny bit of aggression might lead somewhere meaningful for us.", if you will believe me, is actually something I considered and was my best hope. But I had recently made some comments on some of your posts and to which you did not reply. The person who taught me the most important things I have ever been exposed to, at least in my opinion, told me that the day I trusted him would be the day I was cured. I may not really be able to trust but I do have some idea as to why I can't which gives me some small ability to separate my negative doubts from fact. I try to know my negative feelings without intellectually assuming they are real. Sadly, how we feel IS our deepest truth, as I see it.
So, I would bet I am too comfortable about many things, none of which I would welcome, so let me lie. Let me ask, then. what I am too comfortable about, as if I were open to hearing?
K1052
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Fanatical Meat
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@brandonbull @pcgeek11 @Starbuck1975
Care to comment about Libs?
Sort of a shitty representative said sort of a shitty thing. Today we have below.
Care to comment about Libs?
Sort of a shitty representative said sort of a shitty thing. Today we have below.
Lots of absentee ballots to go but that margin has been holding up. Things aren't looking good for Engel, which I'm fine with.
Starbuck1975
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Sure, in this one district under the current climate where people are hungry for change, one out of touch career politician gaffed so badly that it cost him an election. This happens routinely.
Madison Cawthorn beat a Trump endorsed candidate in North Carolina as well.
HomerJS
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I abhor bad from any politician but when concern trolling comes from someone who has zero concern about our current fascist in chief by response will always point to Trump. That's my response for all dishonest brokers.
Sure looks like it was true, huh.
Does this make you reconsider if other things you might hold about Democrats are similarly wrong?
zinfamous
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Blackjack200
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Eliot Engel was endoresed by Cuomo, Clinton, Menendez, Pelosi, and the Congressional Black Caucus. LMAO.
hal2kilo
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If you can't defend the indefensible then you divert to attacking the other side for reasons.
Good shit. He lost even after ALL the plutocrats publicly endorsed him including Billary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Andrew Cuomo.... Members of Congressional Black Caucus.....
Whats that? 30 years of not doing shit isn't something people are in favor of?
Oh well... I'm just going to take a wild guess that all of these "progressive" candidates getting elected these days will do the same thing within 5 years... become a part of the establishment. Never visiting their hometown that elected them... always somewhere else not giving a shit or listening to the people that elected them.
Time will tell, I hope for the best for Bowman
Whats that? 30 years of not doing shit isn't something people are in favor of?
Oh well... I'm just going to take a wild guess that all of these "progressive" candidates getting elected these days will do the same thing within 5 years... become a part of the establishment. Never visiting their hometown that elected them... always somewhere else not giving a shit or listening to the people that elected them.
Time will tell, I hope for the best for Bowman
Fanatical Meat
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In your opinion is it a good thing long term guys are losing or a bad thing?
HomerJS
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Any candidate coming from a Dem primary will be leaps and bounds against those Trump dick sucking corruption loving Republicans. Fine with me. AOC won as well in case you wanted to concern troll again. Who are you going to assign to take pictures of her ass in the halls of Congress this time?
Lost_in_the_HTTP
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In mine ... good. The longer they're in, the worse they get. We need term limits.
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