Remember that shutdown Trump WILL have?

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Damage to the IRS alone seems pretty severe and does not bode well for filing season.

But challenges to the IRS, as well as other agencies, are expected to persist after the longest shutdown in government history.

For instance, the IRS has a backlog of 5 million unanswered pieces of mail from taxpayers, up from 2.5 million on Jan. 16, IRS officials have told House aides. With in-person taxpayer assistance centers closed during the shutdown, the IRS was receiving more than 700,000 pieces of mail every day, up from 200,000 pieces of mail daily as of Jan. 16.

The government shutdown also delayed training for IRS employees, who must be taught how to implement changes to the tax code passed by Republicans in 2017. About 2,000 recently hired IRS employees also need to be trained before they can start answering taxpayer questions over the phone.

Concerns are also mounting over the service’s information technology, as a hardware glitch on Tax Day last year crashed the IRS’s online filing systems. The IRS is also losing 25 IT staffers every week since the shutdown began, with many finding other jobs, one House aide said, citing a briefing by IRS officials earlier in the week.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...tchdog-tells-congress/?utm_term=.979ca430ac4d
 
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Yeah, Trump has never had to navigate anything like a divided government let alone with one of the most capable leaders in modern memory heading up the opposition. It also seems that he's getting and taking really terrible advice from Kushner, Mulvaney, and other conservatives. That WH lacks any legislative dealmaking competence or even apparently basic political comprehension of their opponent.

If he pretends like the House isn't a factor in his decision making for the next two years he's going to destroy himself quickly.
The Shutdown was Trump's plan in dealing with the House Dems.
take away their thunder on when they take over the House.

I predict he'll create more and more crisis just so the House will be too tied up to subpoena his lackeys.

/tinfoil hat
 
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Jhhnn

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The Shutdown was Trump's plan in dealing with the House Dems.
take away their thunder on when they take over the House.

I predict he'll create more and more crisis just so the House will be too tied up to subpoena his lackeys
Pelosi delegates well. Dems won't have a problem multi-tasking.
 
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The shutdown is on the Democrats at this point. Trump offered a very reasonable compromise, $5 billion for the wall that the Democrats also were calling for in recent years (until Trump wanted it and won in 2016) in exchange for DACA protections. But, the Democrats today are more interested in optics, partisan agenda, and opposition than what is best for America.
 
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The shutdown is on the Democrats at this point. Trump offered a very reasonable compromise, $5 billion for the wall that the Democrats also were calling for in recent years (until Trump wanted it and won in 2016) in exchange for DACA protections. But, the Democrats today are more interested in optics, partisan agenda, and opposition than what is best for America.
lol troll
 

VRAMdemon

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Pretty interesting topics being brought up. Wide open and far ranging.

it's predictable that someone like Ann Coulter and the rest of the no-soul gang, who thought they'd trained their monkey to dance, would pull out the knives. But... His harshest critics on this are the ones on his own side. It's like the puppy that finally landed a dump on the newspaper and they are rubbing his nose in it. The people who are glad the shutdown is over are happy that the puppy finally took a shit without ruining the living room. It is the Anne Coulters that are rubbing his nose in it, demanding to know why shit isn't all over the walls.
 
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The shutdown is on the Democrats at this point. Trump offered a very reasonable compromise, $5 billion for the wall that the Democrats also were calling for in recent years (until Trump wanted it and won in 2016) in exchange for DACA protections. But, the Democrats today are more interested in optics, partisan agenda, and opposition than what is best for America.
And who took away those DACA protections to begin with? He's had two years to get his wall funded with control of both houses, maybe you should ask yourself why he didn't do it then. I'd like to hear your answer.
 

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The shutdown is on the Democrats at this point. Trump offered a very reasonable compromise, $5 billion for the wall that the Democrats also were calling for in recent years (until Trump wanted it and won in 2016) in exchange for DACA protections. But, the Democrats today are more interested in optics, partisan agenda, and opposition than what is best for America.
So he should start a gofundme and you can donate to it.
 

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it's predictable that someone like Ann Coulter and the rest of the no-soul gang, who thought they'd trained their monkey to dance, would pull out the knives. But... His harshest critics on this are the ones on his own side. It's like the puppy that finally landed a dump on the newspaper and they are rubbing his nose in it. The people who are glad the shutdown is over are happy that the puppy finally took a shit without ruining the living room. It is the Anne Coulters that are rubbing his nose in it, demanding to know why shit isn't all over the walls.

Agreed.

Coulter, as well as those other mealy mouthed conservative talking heads must be giddy over the power/influence she/they wield over Trump at this point in time. He is in a very vulnerable state at the moment what with "this fake Russia thing" investigation going on that is creeping ever closer toward bagging him and those remaining in his inglorious den of vipers.

Coulter and Limbaugh have pounced on Trump's miserable state of affairs and are already feeding on what's left of Trump's body parts that haven't gone ala rigor mortis yet. The desperation of the moment is being exploited by Coulter and Friends for the profit (influence and fame) they see in Trump's ongoing struggle with/within himself.

It's so appropriate that Trump's very nature as a habitual liar, as an epic selfishly driven man-child and facilitator of vile underhanded "business" practices has had those very nasty habits of his turned on himself by others who possess those very same qualities and of whom are supposedly from the same side that he belongs to.
 

Jhhnn

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The shutdown is on the Democrats at this point. Trump offered a very reasonable compromise, $5 billion for the wall that the Democrats also were calling for in recent years (until Trump wanted it and won in 2016) in exchange for DACA protections. But, the Democrats today are more interested in optics, partisan agenda, and opposition than what is best for America.
Trump said he'd own it, and he does.
 

Bitek

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The shutdown is on the Democrats at this point. Trump offered a very reasonable compromise, $5 billion for the wall that the Democrats also were calling for in recent years (until Trump wanted it and won in 2016) in exchange for DACA protections. But, the Democrats today are more interested in optics, partisan agenda, and opposition than what is best for America.
With such thoughtful and strategic thinking, you wonder why your side lost soooo badly.
 

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And now we're back to the Scourge of the Caravan. Somehow we managed to repel the last two hordes, but now there's a bigger one coming, and without a Wall, we're doomed.


He still thinks this pathetic show of fear of a trickle of poor, desperate asylum seekers is going to gain him traction?

Narcissists do not accept reality. This will not work in his favor.

This isn't Trump, but it is the official Twitter account of the Republican National Committee.


"Democrats have held our government hostage for weeks, but thanks to President @realDonaldTrump's leadership, the government will reopen and federal workers will be paid in the next few days."

That's some really worn out weak spin attempt. It didn't even manage one full revolution.
 

Jhhnn

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"Democrats have held our government hostage for weeks, but thanks to President @realDonaldTrump's leadership, the government will reopen and federal workers will be paid in the next few days."

That's some really worn out weak spin attempt. It didn't even manage one full revolution.
What the GOP learned from Trump is that their base will believe absolutely anything they want to believe. Anything at all. Play the vid of Trump saying he'd own the shutdown, then blame the Dems and they'll blame the Dems too.

Post-truth with a vengeance.
 

sportage

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Well, the shut down is over. Nancy put Donald in his place.
And like any childish kid sent to bed without their supper so they run away from home, maybe Donald will run away from home too?
With a little orange duffel bag tossed over his shoulder.
What do you think Donald would pack in that bag?

Pictures of Melania? Doubt that.
Plane ticket to Moscow, one way? Wouldn't surprise.
Stormy Danielle's underwear? For sure!
And a cassette tape of the song, NOBODY LIKES ME ANYMORE.
SO if you see a big fat kid with a funky orange weave wearing a suit with an enormously long red tie and wearing a stupid red hat, walking along the railroad tracks, call Sarah Sanders ASAP!
 
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The shutdown is on the Democrats at this point. Trump offered a very reasonable compromise, $5 billion for the wall that the Democrats also were calling for in recent years (until Trump wanted it and won in 2016) in exchange for DACA protections. But, the Democrats today are more interested in optics, partisan agenda, and opposition than what is best for America.
not a chance in hell, you fascist bag of dicks.
 
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And now we're back to the Scourge of the Caravan. Somehow we managed to repel the last two hordes, but now there's a bigger one coming, and without a Wall, we're doomed.
The whole 'we need a wall because of caravans' makes no sense at all to anyone that thinks about it for more than a few seconds, which I guess is why Trump thinks it will work with his base.

The caravans are going to official border crossings where they REQUEST asylum. First off, there is already a wall there. Next, if we just handed out bottles of water and some snacks then asked them to all line up in a single file line and fill out paper work everything would go smoothly. We could keep them calm, busy, and orderly and then just deny the ones we don't want and send them back. The only reason this all gets out of hand is because we are escalating it.
 

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Lindsay Graham suggested today that they could use the debt ceiling (due in March) to force wall funding.

Ie, create a financial panic and try to blame Pelosi to force her to give wall money.
 

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Lindsay Graham suggested today that they could use the debt ceiling (due in March) to force wall funding.

Ie, create a financial panic and try to blame Pelosi to force her to give wall money.
I’m sure if threatening an internal financial catastrophe didn’t work threatening an international one will.

Great job Lindsay, showing Republicans are both stupid and still irresponsible.
 

Jhhnn

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Lindsay Graham suggested today that they could use the debt ceiling (due in March) to force wall funding.

Ie, create a financial panic and try to blame Pelosi to force her to give wall money.
I figure Graham is the designated shit talker of the Senate GOP caucus.
 

Bitek

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I figure Graham is the designated shit talker of the Senate GOP caucus.
He's become Trump's Muse for idiotic ideas.

He had been pushing the emergency declaration and triggering a constitutional crisis, but he's managed to one up himself to an international financial crisis.

God forbid Trump takes him to the NK summit...
 
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So he should start a gofundme and you can donate to it.
You dont understand.
The MAGA wearing trump-suckers want YOU to pay for it.
Because their glorious leader just slashed taxes across the board to score points with people who cant do addition and subtraction.
i.e. 90 percent of his voter base.
 
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fskimospy

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It’s frankly bizarre that the US has one of its major political parties routinely threaten to purposefully cause a global financial calamity in order to coerce the opposition party to give it the domestic policy it wants.

This is the sort of thing that makes the #bothsides people so irritating. One of our parties has gone insane and the other has not.
 

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