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Trump finally grounded these planes, a little late but thankfully no more lives have been lost since the Ethiopian air accident.
 
VRAMdemon said:
Lol..Maybe we should launch 'em with steam catapults. Let's bring back slide rules and propellers - for the success of the Space Force! They will be more economical in outer space because they use less fuel than rockets?!

It would be fun to see just what kind of stuff you could get Trump to believe. "Nobody knows more about aviation than I do"?

I would like Albert Einstein to pilot my airplane, especially if he turned over the controls to the co-pilot and came out to play a violin solo for us mid-flight.
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Did you just bring in steam catapults into the conversation? Is that a reference to the EMALS on the USS Gerald R Ford?
 
brandonbull said:
Did you just bring in steam catapults into the conversation? Is that a reference to the EMALS on the USS Gerald R Ford?
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There's nothing wrong with steam catapults. They work and there's no need to change to an unreliable tech with perhaps a very few exceptions. If an AWACS can use them then we're good.

The military loves gadgets even if they suck, the f-35 being a prime example. Contractors depend on delivering an unreliable product because they get to enjoy benefiting from cost overruns. 5 billion turns out to be 10, then twenty then fifty and so it goes.

Best thing we can't do but should is to have contractors eat a significant part of overruns, but no one really wants that who serves in office nor the military.
 
alien42 said:
Trump finally grounded these planes, a little late but thankfully no more lives have been lost since the Ethiopian air accident.
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That he’s the one personally deciding this in the first place is extremely concerning. I don’t think the DOT/FAA asked Obama if it was alright with him when they grounded the 787s.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
There's nothing wrong with steam catapults. They work and there's no need to change to an unreliable tech with perhaps a very few exceptions. If an AWACS can use them then we're good.

The military loves gadgets even if they suck, the f-35 being a prime example. Contractors depend on delivering an unreliable product because they get to enjoy benefiting from cost overruns. 5 billion turns out to be 10, then twenty then fifty and so it goes.

Best thing we can't do but should is to have contractors eat a significant part of overruns, but no one really wants that who serves in office nor the military.
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I think VRAMdemon was trying to use the steam catapult vs electromagnetic catapult issue as a source of ridicule against Trump.
 
K1052 said:
That he’s the one personally deciding this in the first place is extremely concerning. I don’t think the DOT/FAA asked Obama if it was alright with him when they grounded the 787s.
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indeed, it's also very concerning that the current head of the FAA is only acting and that Trump still hasn't nominated a new head since his personal pilot was rejected for the job due to being wholly unqualified.
 
alien42 said:
indeed, it's also very concerning that the current head of the FAA is only acting and that Trump still hasn't nominated a new head since his personal pilot was rejected for the job due to being wholly unqualified.
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Trump can ask his Secretary of Transportation to issue stricter guidance than the FAA if he so chooses. Obama did something similar I believe when 787 batteries were starting fires. Pretty sure Trump and Chao are on the same page here...no President wants an airline accident that can be attributed to their inaction.
 
akenbennu said:
Trumps new aviation plan is using all the hot air he spews to start a fleet of blimps.
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is all seriousness, it would be pretty cool if dirigible travel could get sexy again, especially for shipping/transit needs--some of these massive modern airships have many, many ton capacities and can transport materials between otherwise completely-inaccessible parts of the world.
 
zinfamous said:
is all seriousness, it would be pretty cool if dirigible travel could get sexy again, especially for shipping/transit needs--some of these massive modern airships have many, many ton capacities and can transport materials between otherwise completely-inaccessible parts of the world.
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It will also be really exciting when we run out of helium and have to start filling those bags with hydrogen again.
 
zinfamous said:
is all seriousness, it would be pretty cool if dirigible travel could get sexy again, especially for shipping/transit needs--some of these massive modern airships have many, many ton capacities and can transport materials between otherwise completely-inaccessible parts of the world.
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Fuck I’d pay to go on some modern version of that elegant air ship from Indiana Jones.
 
Stopsignhank said:
I am amazed because at a time when there have been 2 crashes he is doubting the safety of airplanes instead of reassuring people that they are safe to fly.

What a dweeb.
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It’s crazy grandpa ranting. He’s too old and dumb to understand the technology so he thinks it must be bad. Airplanes have never been safer than they are today. Back in the ‘good old days’ they crashed way more!

This is similar to what I suspect we will have to fight against when self driving cars become more of a thing. Even though self driving cars are nearly certain to be WAY safer than cars driven by humans there are going to be cases where a car malfunctions and drives an adorable family of four screaming off a cliff. When that happens people will freak out no matter how many times safer the numbers say they are.
 
fskimospy said:
It’s crazy grandpa ranting. He’s too old and dumb to understand the technology so he thinks it must be bad. Airplanes have never been safer than they are today. Back in the ‘good old days’ they crashed way more!

This is similar to what I suspect we will have to fight against when self driving cars become more of a thing. Even though self driving cars are nearly certain to be WAY safer than cars driven by humans there are going to be cases where a car malfunctions and drives an adorable family of four screaming off a cliff. When that happens people will freak out no matter how many times safer the numbers say they are.
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There's valid objections to self driven cars en masse. What does the car do if faced with a "someone will die" scenario? Does it kill the driver? Does it count people and decide who lives or dies? The old guy or a kid? There's no equivalent of ethics in the extremely primitive AI which must face scenarios that were not programmed to account for. Eventually, sure, and driving on highways should be easy to master. In Philly where I grew up? Nope, not ready, but I operate based on the state of the art and what is possible now. I expect this all will be taken care of in the near future and at that time I'll change my position.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
There's valid objections to self driven cars en masse. What does the car do if faced with a "someone will die" scenario? Does it kill the driver? Does it count people and decide who lives or dies? The old guy or a kid? There's no equivalent of ethics in the extremely primitive AI which must face scenarios that were not programmed to account for. Eventually, sure, and driving on highways should be easy to master. In Philly where I grew up? Nope, not ready, but I operate based on the state of the art and what is possible now. I expect this all will be taken care of in the near future and at that time I'll change my position.
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Oh I didn’t mean those cars are ready today but I think they will be ready in the not so distant future. (Maybe ten years) There will be lots of regulatory choices that must be made but I STRONGLY suspect the automation of driving will save lots of lives.

I similarly suspect that we will face a lot of angry cranks like Trump who will ignore driving deaths going from 30,000 to 300 a year because of a few horrific anecdotes.
 
fskimospy said:
Oh I didn’t mean those cars are ready today but I think they will be ready in the not so distant future. (Maybe ten years) There will be lots of regulatory choices that must be made but I STRONGLY suspect the automation of driving will save lots of lives.

I similarly suspect that we will face a lot of angry cranks like Trump who will ignore driving deaths going from 30,000 to 300 a year because of a few horrific anecdotes.
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Yeah I'm there with you.
 
Bitek said:
His stupidity and the freedom he feels to share it is truly astounding.
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The less self developed a person is the more the more evidence the witness in life that reveals that fact. But we all long to be accepted and to have self respect. This creates a market for those who are willing to play to the emotional needs of the least among us. Trump offers deplorable s a herd in which, a scent of any genuine measures, they can feel self respect.

The question is, how do you repair the damage of self hate without making people feel worthless? It can’t be done with false praise and condemnation is what makes people feel worthless in the first place.

Humanity is in a real mess.
 
Oh what might have been.................

If only Trump were as tough on the airlines as he was last year when he tweeted this.

“Since taking office I have been very strict on Commercial Aviation. Good news — it was just reported that there were Zero deaths in 2017, the best and safest year on record!” Trump tweeted Tuesday.
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Link

Which lead to the head of the FAA to quit. This guy knew what he was doing.

Huerta became the FAA’s official chief on Jan. 7, 2013. During his term, the agency enjoyed the safest period in airline history, with no fatalities on U.S.-regulated passenger carriers.

Only three passengers died during that time, when a Korea-based Asiana Airlines plane crashed into a seawall in July 2013 while attempting to land at San Francisco International Airport.
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Another link

Makes you wonder what might have been if Huerta was in charge of the FAA during this time.

Which then circles back around to the original tweet in this thread.

All of this for great cost yet very little gain
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Like I have said before, it is almost like he is making this shit up.
 
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