Remaining Airbus A380 freighter orders cancelled

[fornax]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Glad to hear it. JMHO, but for passenger transport, I think the A380 was one of the worst commecial aircraft design ideas ever.

The ground logistics of transporting a projected passenger load of 500 - 800 people to and from a single airport on each end, along with boarding and deplaning that many people at a single departure and arrival time, make it a nightmare for continuous, profitable operation.

It ain't spruce, but if it quacks and flies like a goose, it's a turkey.

That's what they were saying many years ago about the 747. Guess what - they are still using it. I recently flew a 747 Phoenix-London, the jet was full, but everything was smooth.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Glad to hear it. JMHO, but for passenger transport, I think the A380 was one of the worst commecial aircraft design ideas ever.

The ground logistics of transporting a projected passenger load of 500 - 800 people to and from a single airport on each end, along with boarding and deplaning that many people at a single departure and arrival time, make it a nightmare for continuous, profitable operation.

It ain't spruce, but if it quacks and flies like a goose, it's a turkey.

funny enough I saw a documentary on the 747 on discovery not long ago and there they were talking about what people said when the 747 was anounced

and the best part it is exactly the same people are saying about the a380

too big, not practical, have to change airports, no one will buy it, and so on and so on

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Harvey
Glad to hear it. JMHO, but for passenger transport, I think the A380 was one of the worst commecial aircraft design ideas ever.

The ground logistics of transporting a projected passenger load of 500 - 800 people to and from a single airport on each end, along with boarding and deplaning that many people at a single departure and arrival time, make it a nightmare for continuous, profitable operation.

It ain't spruce, but if it quacks and flies like a goose, it's a turkey.

funny enough I saw a documentary on the 747 on discovery not long ago and there they were talking about what people said when the 747 was anounced

and the best part it is exactly the same people are saying about the a380

too big, not practical, have to change airports, no one will buy it, and so on and so on

The big issue on the A380 is not the airlines or the passengers, but the airport physical infrstructure.
Do the current airports want to make changes to support the A380 requirements?

Some target markets have said no.

For the 747, the airport facilites did not have to be modified to support the A/C. It was big, but gates did not have to be replaced to use it.

For the 380, new airports can be designed to support it and there are some existing new airports that have the room to easily allow modifications to support it.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Harvey
Glad to hear it. JMHO, but for passenger transport, I think the A380 was one of the worst commecial aircraft design ideas ever.

The ground logistics of transporting a projected passenger load of 500 - 800 people to and from a single airport on each end, along with boarding and deplaning that many people at a single departure and arrival time, make it a nightmare for continuous, profitable operation.

It ain't spruce, but if it quacks and flies like a goose, it's a turkey.

funny enough I saw a documentary on the 747 on discovery not long ago and there they were talking about what people said when the 747 was anounced

and the best part it is exactly the same people are saying about the a380

too big, not practical, have to change airports, no one will buy it, and so on and so on

The big issue on the A380 is not the airlines or the passengers, but the airport physical infrstructure.
Do the current airports want to make changes to support the A380 requirements?

Some target markets have said no.

For the 747, the airport facilites did not have to be modified to support the A/C. It was big, but gates did not have to be replaced to use it.

For the 380, new airports can be designed to support it and there are some existing new airports that have the room to easily allow modifications to support it.

with the 747, they did havge to modify the airport facilities, the current standard for airplane clearance is created around the 747

everything you say about the a380 there is exactly the same that was said in the documentary about the 747

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Czar
with the 747, they did havge to modify the airport facilities, the current standard for airplane clearance is created around the 747

everything you say about the a380 there is exactly the same that was said in the documentary about the 747

Only more so. I think it's ridiculous to think airlines will be able to maintain regular scheduled flights that require organizing enough people into one space, at one time, on one trip to any one destination to break even.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Harvey
Glad to hear it. JMHO, but for passenger transport, I think the A380 was one of the worst commecial aircraft design ideas ever.

The ground logistics of transporting a projected passenger load of 500 - 800 people to and from a single airport on each end, along with boarding and deplaning that many people at a single departure and arrival time, make it a nightmare for continuous, profitable operation.

It ain't spruce, but if it quacks and flies like a goose, it's a turkey.

funny enough I saw a documentary on the 747 on discovery not long ago and there they were talking about what people said when the 747 was anounced

and the best part it is exactly the same people are saying about the a380

too big, not practical, have to change airports, no one will buy it, and so on and so on

The big issue on the A380 is not the airlines or the passengers, but the airport physical infrstructure.
Do the current airports want to make changes to support the A380 requirements?

Some target markets have said no.

For the 747, the airport facilites did not have to be modified to support the A/C. It was big, but gates did not have to be replaced to use it.

For the 380, new airports can be designed to support it and there are some existing new airports that have the room to easily allow modifications to support it.

Things have changed radically since then. Planes that could do trans-Atlantic were few. Heck, there wasn't much that could do trans-continental. The 747 was one of those.
Customers didn't just see the 747 as a jumbo, they also saw it as major rework in flight planning on more long range routes.
Also, the backing and influence that carriers had was staggering. It's not like that anymore.
Another thing would be the amount of passengers flying per year grew by 15%.
I can name tons of reasons why the A380 won't be a runaway success.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Harvey
Glad to hear it. JMHO, but for passenger transport, I think the A380 was one of the worst commecial aircraft design ideas ever.

The ground logistics of transporting a projected passenger load of 500 - 800 people to and from a single airport on each end, along with boarding and deplaning that many people at a single departure and arrival time, make it a nightmare for continuous, profitable operation.

It ain't spruce, but if it quacks and flies like a goose, it's a turkey.

funny enough I saw a documentary on the 747 on discovery not long ago and there they were talking about what people said when the 747 was anounced

and the best part it is exactly the same people are saying about the a380

too big, not practical, have to change airports, no one will buy it, and so on and so on

The big issue on the A380 is not the airlines or the passengers, but the airport physical infrstructure.
Do the current airports want to make changes to support the A380 requirements?

Some target markets have said no.

For the 747, the airport facilites did not have to be modified to support the A/C. It was big, but gates did not have to be replaced to use it.

For the 380, new airports can be designed to support it and there are some existing new airports that have the room to easily allow modifications to support it.

Would existing airports have to make changes to support Boeing's flying wing design?

EDIT: Apparently it will be able to use existing runways.