Religious centers need to pay taxes

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I wonder who set those fires?

Some religion haters ppl set churches on fire, others troll @ internet forums

I didn't follow the fires.. but my guess was that they would be racially motivated... good white christians hating the other christians....

Both white and black churches have been burned, racial motives have been ruled out.

But religious motivation can't. Most likely it is members of radical religious sect, probably Christian and Muslim.

You seem to know quite a bit about this case, why don't you help the FBI and the local police with your expertise? You seem to know quite a bit about the psychology of religious people.

I am just saying what ob obvious. It is clear that these fires are being done by a theist.

Tell the FBI, Miss Cleo.

Help the authorities take the religious people off the streets and into jails. Isn't that what you want anyway?

I don't want all religious people locked up, I just wouldn't mind if it happen.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I wonder who set those fires?

Some religion haters ppl set churches on fire, others troll @ internet forums

I didn't follow the fires.. but my guess was that they would be racially motivated... good white christians hating the other christians....

Both white and black churches have been burned, racial motives have been ruled out.

But religious motivation can't. Most likely it is members of radical religious sect, probably Christian and Muslim.

You seem to know quite a bit about this case, why don't you help the FBI and the local police with your expertise? You seem to know quite a bit about the psychology of religious people.

I am just saying what ob obvious. It is clear that these fires are being done by a theist.

Tell the FBI, Miss Cleo.

Help the authorities take the religious people off the streets and into jails. Isn't that what you want anyway?

I don't want all religious people locked up, I just wouldn't mind if it happen.

What if it happens to be a radical atheist?

Will you fill up with shame and convert?

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: smack Down
Taxing churches would not violate the 1st admendment.

I believe the supreme court would disagree with you.

The first ammendment covers a lot more than free speech.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I dont know of the exact case, but the logic is that taxation of a church = the ability to destroy a church. And the SCOTUS interprets the constitution so that the govt shall never be able to destroy a church.

And if you DO want to see churches go away... attacking them in any way is the wrong way to go about it. Remember the Romans tried to outlaw christianity because they saw it as a threat. They ended up only causing it to spread more rapidly.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I wonder who set those fires?

Some religion haters ppl set churches on fire, others troll @ internet forums

I didn't follow the fires.. but my guess was that they would be racially motivated... good white christians hating the other christians....

Well your guess was wrong and you didn't care to even learn about the facts. Good for you. You're assuming the person or people involved are religious and Christian. You're assuming that white christians are the guilty party.

Can a non-religious person commit such an act? Not a chance since all of them are perfect human beings.

Go you.

Has anyone confessed to the burns and stated their motives if not on what grounds can you claim that his guess is wrong.

Noone has been caught to my knowledge, it is against religion to do such things. The person or more likely persons doing these acts must have a message, an agenda. I did not come out and say it was a radical atheist because I know that would be irresponsible. I expect people to do the same towards people of religion. I guess not.

Well church burning is mostly a christian pass time so it isn't that irresponsible to guess they are doing it again. It would be like assuming a suicide bomber in israel is an arab.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I wonder who set those fires?

Some religion haters ppl set churches on fire, others troll @ internet forums

I didn't follow the fires.. but my guess was that they would be racially motivated... good white christians hating the other christians....

Both white and black churches have been burned, racial motives have been ruled out.

But religious motivation can't. Most likely it is members of radical religious sect, probably Christian and Muslim.

You seem to know quite a bit about this case, why don't you help the FBI and the local police with your expertise? You seem to know quite a bit about the psychology of religious people.

I am just saying what ob obvious. It is clear that these fires are being done by a theist.

Tell the FBI, Miss Cleo.

Help the authorities take the religious people off the streets and into jails. Isn't that what you want anyway?

I don't want all religious people locked up, I just wouldn't mind if it happen.

What is it happens to be a radical atheist?

Will you fill up with shame and convert?

No, 1 bad atheist won't make me change my views. Anyways I am 90% confident it is a theist.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: smack Down
Taxing churches would not violate the 1st admendment.

I believe the supreme court would disagree with you.

The first ammendment covers a lot more than free speech.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I dont know of the exact case, but the logic is that taxation of a church = the ability to destroy a church. And the SCOTUS interprets the constitution so that the govt shall never be able to destroy a church.

And if you DO want to see churches go away... attacking them in any way is the wrong way to go about it. Remember the Romans tried to outlaw christianity because they saw it as a threat. They ended up only causing it to spread more rapidly.

http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfi...urches/baptist_temple/tax_dispute.html

The funds running that church would agree with you are still wrong. As long as a law isn't designed to prevent or promote religion it is legal.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: DVK916
No, 1 bad atheist won't make me change my views.

Nor would 1 good theist, right? :roll:

Anyways I am 90% confident it is a theist.

What makes you so confident? Aren't you the same person who said something to the sort of, "I wouldn't go to the trouble of saving the life of a theist, because the world is better off every time a theist dies?"

:roll:

What do you do for a living btw? I am curious.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: DVK916
No, 1 bad atheist won't make me change my views.

Nor would 1 good theist, right? :roll:

Anyways I am 90% confident it is a theist.

What makes you so confident? Aren't you the same person who said something to the sort of, "I wouldn't go to the trouble of saving the life of a theist, because the world is better off every time a theist dies?"

:roll:

What do you do for a living btw? I am curious.

Yes I did say the world would be better if all of the theist died. Believe me, in the long run when a theist dies it does make the world a better place. 1 less theist means the spreading of his mythology is slowed down.

I am a full time student at UC Davis. No job, just school.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: DVK916
No, 1 bad atheist won't make me change my views.

Nor would 1 good theist, right? :roll:

Anyways I am 90% confident it is a theist.

What makes you so confident? Aren't you the same person who said something to the sort of, "I wouldn't go to the trouble of saving the life of a theist, because the world is better off every time a theist dies?"

:roll:

What do you do for a living btw? I am curious.

The ironic thing is that in the bible belt I bet 95% of the people are theists so odds are good one of them commetted the crime,

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: DVK916
Yes I did say the world would be better if all of the theist died.

Just thought everyone here should know who/what they are dealing with.

Don't you see that you have become what you hate? You see theism as evil, and have become just that. I have never seen a proclaimed atheist so infatuated with theists. But that's what hate does to a man. I feel sorry for you.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: DVK916
No, 1 bad atheist won't make me change my views.

Nor would 1 good theist, right? :roll:

Anyways I am 90% confident it is a theist.

What makes you so confident? Aren't you the same person who said something to the sort of, "I wouldn't go to the trouble of saving the life of a theist, because the world is better off every time a theist dies?"

:roll:

What do you do for a living btw? I am curious.

The ironic thing is that in the bible belt I bet 95% of the people are theists so odds are good one of them commetted the crime,

Any man who hates God is certainly a theist. Who could hate that which he does not believe?

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: DVK916
No, 1 bad atheist won't make me change my views.

Nor would 1 good theist, right? :roll:

Anyways I am 90% confident it is a theist.

What makes you so confident? Aren't you the same person who said something to the sort of, "I wouldn't go to the trouble of saving the life of a theist, because the world is better off every time a theist dies?"

:roll:

What do you do for a living btw? I am curious.

The ironic thing is that in the bible belt I bet 95% of the people are theists so odds are good one of them commetted the crime,

Any man who hates God is certainly a theist. Who could hate that which he does not believe?

I don't hate god, since you can't hate something that doens't exist. I hate the evil that religion has caused. The evil that god believers cause.

 

[lyssword]

ok still haven't answered the question why u are so sure that theist burned churches (besides that 85% of population there are prolly theists).

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: lyssword
ok still haven't answered the question why u are so sure that theist burned churches (besides that 85% of population there are prolly theists).

Because it isn't a type of crime an atheist would do. But it is the type of crime a theist would do.

 

[lyssword]

DVK, I think your favorite theist hater would be nero. Research a bit on that maybe you'll have fun, because of your mentality.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: smack Down
Taxing churches would not violate the 1st admendment.

I believe the supreme court would disagree with you.

The first ammendment covers a lot more than free speech.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I dont know of the exact case, but the logic is that taxation of a church = the ability to destroy a church. And the SCOTUS interprets the constitution so that the govt shall never be able to destroy a church.

And if you DO want to see churches go away... attacking them in any way is the wrong way to go about it. Remember the Romans tried to outlaw christianity because they saw it as a threat. They ended up only causing it to spread more rapidly.

http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfi...urches/baptist_temple/tax_dispute.html

The funds running that church would agree with you are still wrong. As long as a law isn't designed to prevent or promote religion it is legal.

Did you even read the link you posted? Its for not taking out taxes on employees paychecks, not the church itself, which was untaxed.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: DVK916
No, 1 bad atheist won't make me change my views.

Nor would 1 good theist, right? :roll:

Anyways I am 90% confident it is a theist.

What makes you so confident? Aren't you the same person who said something to the sort of, "I wouldn't go to the trouble of saving the life of a theist, because the world is better off every time a theist dies?"

:roll:

What do you do for a living btw? I am curious.

The ironic thing is that in the bible belt I bet 95% of the people are theists so odds are good one of them commetted the crime,

Any man who hates God is certainly a theist. Who could hate that which he does not believe?

I don't hate god, since you can't hate something that doens't exist. I hate the evil that religion has caused. The evil that god believers cause.

I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to the person(s) burning churches. Or are you making your confession?

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: lyssword
DVK, I think your favorite theist hater would be nero. Research a bit on that maybe you'll have fun, because of your mentality.

Nero was a theist, he was into greek mythology.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: DVK916
I hate the evil that religion has caused. The evil that god believers cause.

Religion can not cause evilness, only man can be evil.

You are trying to find peace in the world without first finding peace within yourself. You're following the paths of folks like Bush and OBL. They too have become what they hate. It is unavoidable. You hate religion because you see it as evil, and have become just so. Hate is a disease, and you are ill.

 

[lyssword]

http://www.infidels.org/secular_web/feature/1999/violence.html
ok fine had to look this up on google tooo...
http://www.fixedearth.com/hlsm.html
I have no hidden "agenda". In fact I haven't been in church in like 4 yrs, I just don't believe bigotry from either theists or atheists is right..
and by your remark " you wouldn't mind if a theist dies" because you rationalize that by thinking they are less than humans. Thats how the most horrendous crimes are commited, by making someone appear to be less than human..
I believe both theists and atheists are human. No more no less.

 

[GamingGuy246]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: DVK916
These place use government resources yet they pay no taxes. Something needs to be done about this. Those churches that burned down use valuable police and firefighting resources yet pay nothing to the local community in taxes. A church is like a business too with a product, and its product is religion. It is selling something to its congregates who payment is in donations.

You really do have nothing better to do with your time than to come up with useless ideas of why religion should go away, do you? How do you sell religion? It's not like it's some product that people walk out of church with, and people that attend services are not "required" to give the church money. Furthermore, churches may not be used as a get-rich business and remain tax-exempt. Nor may they participate at all in the campaign activity for candidates.

Churches are tax-exempt only when they provide something to the community in exchange for the community support they receive, such as from the fire department and police station.

The real purpose behind this thread has nothing to do with taxes, does it? This is just another one of your lame attempts to try and discredit religion and make it out to be the great evil of the world. Well, as long as there are people like you who act like this, religion will never have to worry about being the "great evil".

So what you are saying is that since its not a tangible object, it is not a product?

Last time I checked people still pay money to buy tickets to go to a concert, its the same concept.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: lyssword
DVK, I think your favorite theist hater would be nero. Research a bit on that maybe you'll have fun, because of your mentality.

Methinks you need to do some more research on nero😛

 

[1prophet]

Did Jesus not pay taxes?

Mark 12

14And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?

15Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.

16And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.

17And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.


And for those that believe taxes will overcome the church, is your faith so shallow?

Matthew 17

24And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

25He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

27Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee

 

[soundforbjt]

Do any of you here defending that churches should'nt be taxed realize that at one time the Catholic Church owned Yankee Stadium?

WTF does owning a baseball stadium have to do with religion?

It was just used as a revenue to pay for lavish non-necessary items.

Does a church need huge sound systems, recording studios, or video production systems costing hundreds of thousands of dollars to preach the Word of God?

It's a business and a big one at that!

note: this does not apply to all churches, but even alot of small churches do this to some degree.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
Did Jesus not pay taxes?

Mark 12

14And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?

15Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.

16And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.

17And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.


And for those that believe taxes will overcome the church, is your faith so shallow?

Matthew 17

24And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

25He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

27Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee

Do Christians pay income tax today?

Yes they do. The first scripture is citing a person following the law. Currently chruches are tax exempt and following the law.