MovingTarget
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Really? Is that all you've got? Perhaps you don't understand basic historical methodology. By your 'logic', anything that happened before those still alive today is completely unknowable. The information I cited is based in this methodology. There are a myriad of primary and secondary sources that back this up in addition to the traditions that have been passed down since these times in history.
You bring up choir boys, but the only thing you succeed in proving with that snippet is your own ignorance. No, Christian cannon is not a trouser snake nor is it in any way related to the holy hand grenade. :roll:
The source of all evil in the world? Where do you even get a concept of evil? Thats right, culture, as originally put forth with religion. But lets just ignore that. What are the source of evil in the world? Lets see....greed, selfishness, hatred, ignorance, jealousy, etc. etc. etc. - things that religion pretty strongly advocates against.
Sea Moose
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Ok ....
You realise that the nation that wins the war... writes the text books... What i mean is, that imagine if the nazis won the war, how would they write the history books? Same goes with all history. History books get rewritten all the time, as new evidence surfaces etc. And in jeebuses time they usually passed on stories verbally as not many people could write in those days. And we have all have heard of the concept of chinese whispers.
As for trouser snakes... my year 8 english teacher who was also the local churches priest was charged tried and sent to prison for fucking little boys. (NOT ME, so dont bother with the jokes)
I like the underlying message that religion puts out.. be kind to one another etc i like some of the stories of the old testament, ie the good samaratan. That is one story that stuck in my mind during religion class. But then again... i can be kind to others without religion. Example: One of the guys in my class failed his electronics exam i gave my lunch time to get his study method fixed. I didnt need to give money to church for that.
Unfortunatley its the people that use the church for their own personal gain that makes me fucking hate religion.
MovingTarget
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Well, although you do make a good point about the victors writing history, that doesn't always apply as it isn't the correct analogy to use. In this case, we have the actual records from the council meetings, in addition to numerous writings of those in attendance including those who had views that did not get adopted in the councils. Besides, these guys were all Romans during a time when the empire was still quite strong. Literacy was a non-issue among the attendees, and amongst the many theologians of the time.
As far as the rest of your post, I can agree with you on points. You don't necessarily need religion to be moral, but that is a matter of philosophy and not specifically religion. There are those within organized religion that hide behind that veil to do unspeakable things, but that is no reason to dismiss the underlying tenants of any religion...that anger should be rightfully directed not on religion itself, but on those that committed those acts and/or allowed them to happen through inaction (usually by means of beurocracy).
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For the love of all that's holy, if you're going to talk about religion at least learn the correct terms.
A cannon is a large gun. A canon is a fundanental principle.
A tenant is an occupant, especially a renter. A tenet is, much like a canon, a fundamental belief.
nerp
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This is great. It goes to show you that many many works of fiction, movies and other works of art are often spontaneously created and the author/artist is really not trying to bury all sorts of meaning and symbolism into the work. Sometimes they do, but in many cases, the deep subtle meanings and inferences are conjured by literary critics.
This is why the world of academia can be pretty clueless sometimes.
nerp
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Nicely said. People are too lazy to develop their gut feelings and instincts into well thought out, researched points of view. Intellecual laziness is just as bad if not worse than blind adherence to dogma and zealotry. In fact, it's pretty much the same exact thing. CLose your eyes and believe it's right....just because.
nerp
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Red, that's my point! Sure, there are works like 1984 and Animal Farm by Orwell which are very much rooted in purposeful symbolism, but many great works were written by people who said they had no idea that their work would end up being as important as it is in the long run. But in so many cases, in interviews, authors and artists say they just wrote what came to them and the underlying message seemed to come out on its own, or, was pointed out by literary critics.
There are so many examples of masterpieces written by people who said they really were just trying to write an interesting story and things just fell into place organically. Not everyone is as OCD as Ayn Rand who outlined every single sentence and word to prop up her self-absorbed fantasy world in which everyone is born with a trust fund and has the luxury of deciding everything for themselves.
"Margaret wore a green shirt. Green like an old coca-cola bottle."
Some might read into this that the author had sexual thoughts about margaret since many associate the curves of the old coca-cola bottles with the female form.
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Hopefully you are aware that there are several browsers that have built-in spell checkers. There is even an add-on for ie called ie7pro. For example, I typed builtin instead of built-in and google chrome flagged it for me. It's freakin' magic. The computer is great at covering up illiteracy.
Red Irish
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Some might focus on the fact that the shirt was green as they had a traumatic experience that involved something green during their childhood and it will be difficult to dislodge this association, irrespective of the intended meaning stated by the author.
Sorry for the derail, but people asked. You can now get back to the business of debunking or defending religion.
Some may have been beaten in their early childhood with a green vegetable - broccoli, for example.
It's ironic that this thread was created as a farce and intended to be contentious. It's turned out to be a relatively gentle thread about religion. Weird. We need to get with it.
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