Religion rant on my blog

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: SampSon
Not to nit pick, but it reads like a 15 year old wrote that. Less drugs and more complete thoughts will do well! Fundies? Why don't you be more specific and say your rant is about christian fundamentalists?

Anyway I think you discount the the amazing power that belief in something brings out in people. Religion is one of the main driving reasons half of the planet wake up everyday and live.
I understand that in your idealistic utopia religion does not exist and everyone is a scientist, but comon' that's just not realistic, or any fun.

Its not written to be published or anything, i spent about 35 minutes on it.

I agree that religion does some good in the world, but it also does a tremendous amount of bad. From impeding science, to causing endless conflict, to giving false hope.

And when i said fundies i mean any religious fundie. Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, Jewish, Islamic, whatever.

How do you know it's false hope? Do you have imperical proof that a god does not exist? If you do please come out with it, the worlds been waiting for it.

As for fundamentalists impeding scientific research, they arn't the only ones. The issue of cloning is touchy and many people are opposed to it for very simplistic ethical reasons.
Some of your rant doesn't think very deep:

You could get rid of aesthetic things... Make everyone have a strong metabolism, perfect teeth, no lazy eyes, no midgets or morons ( I dont know what we would do with texas then!), no Acne, no small penises or boobs, no infertility.

Yes, let's make everyone near perfect and in the top 1 percentile! So let's take control of our own genetics and not let nature run it's course! Sounds a lot like playing god to me.
As for genetic therapy, why should we fight so hard to change the natural path of things?

50f the US budget is military, if religion didnt exsist, would it need to be that high? How much more money could go into curing world disease and hunger?

World hunger is not the United States problem to solve. Someday granola crunching hippies will understand that.

I'm no religious man, but I'm no athiest either.
A religion thread, and more specifically a religion bashing thread is understood to be a trollish post that always has a negative outcome.

I agree it isnt the united states responisbility to do these things, but religion isnt confined to the US either. Most of the modern world is under the thumb of a religion.

The natural path of things? Cures for thousands of diseases rests on this technology.

And if you call genetics "playing god" then youre in the same boat as the religious people in my humble opinion. God gave us the power to reason, do you think he wishes us not to use it?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Banzai042

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Vinny N
Well. It certainly is a "rant".

Religions have two components. Outer tradition which is constructed and developed by communities. And inner faith which is personal and tempered by one's thoughts and experiences.

Your rant is weak as an "argument" because you merely mock rituals from religious tradition and fail to acknowledge the meaning faith gives to people and the philanthropy that results from the meaning they find in their lives.

All of the things you note as being held back by religion are controversial in nature. Even if there were no religions there would still be moral dilemmas, new ideas or technology that people are inherently uncomfortable with. People can be frightened as is of the new possibilities in this world. Taking away religion isn't going to change that.

And you must be joking about the military. Self-preservation, greed, taking from others, keeping what is ours, spreading our ideals about government and economies, etc. I'm sure people could name many such reasons why so much is spent on the military. Those are why armies exist. You must be kidding yourself if you really believe it came down to religion.

Im not arguing against morals, im arguing against furthering humanity because THE CHURCH says so. You can have your own beliefs, but beliefs based on an old and obviously outdated system created by people with motives isn't the way to go.

Explain how the moral values of christianity are "outdated", and how do you know it was created by a group with an agenda?

On top of that, illustrate how ALL the religions you seem to be mocking are outdated, or created by groups with agendas. Have at it Mr. Theologist.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Banzai042

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Vinny N
Well. It certainly is a "rant".

Religions have two components. Outer tradition which is constructed and developed by communities. And inner faith which is personal and tempered by one's thoughts and experiences.

Your rant is weak as an "argument" because you merely mock rituals from religious tradition and fail to acknowledge the meaning faith gives to people and the philanthropy that results from the meaning they find in their lives.

All of the things you note as being held back by religion are controversial in nature. Even if there were no religions there would still be moral dilemmas, new ideas or technology that people are inherently uncomfortable with. People can be frightened as is of the new possibilities in this world. Taking away religion isn't going to change that.

And you must be joking about the military. Self-preservation, greed, taking from others, keeping what is ours, spreading our ideals about government and economies, etc. I'm sure people could name many such reasons why so much is spent on the military. Those are why armies exist. You must be kidding yourself if you really believe it came down to religion.

Im not arguing against morals, im arguing against furthering humanity because THE CHURCH says so. You can have your own beliefs, but beliefs based on an old and obviously outdated system created by people with motives isn't the way to go.

Explain how the moral values of christianity are "outdated", and how do you know it was created by a group with an agenda?

you know what. I hid a box in P&N wit hthe perfect argument. It is so absolutely perfect and infallible that it will make you speecheless.



Get the frack out of here and go look for it

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: JS80
Do you have a problem with the institution of religion or do you have a problem with the fact people believe in God?

I am agnostic, i believe there could be a god, but the institution of all widespread religions today are obviously holding mankind as a whole back.

 

[mchammer]

Then go argue with all of the secular environments who are against genetically modified foods.

 

[Vinny N]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: JS80
Do you have a problem with the institution of religion or do you have a problem with the fact people believe in God?

I am agnostic, i believe there could be a god, but the institution of all widespread religions today are obviously holding mankind as a whole back.

Obviously? Hardly.

You missed the point of my post. You're merely repeating yourself. A church or some other kind of governing council for a religion does nothing to "hold back mankind". People's own beliefs, doubts, and misgivings about these technologies that you named are what keep them from advancing. Some people are glad that a larger religious body expresses concerns that align with their own. That does not invalidate their feelings or thoughts on a matter.

But this doesn't mean that people would be without these same beliefs, doubts, fears, and misgivings if religion didn't exist. Your blaming religion is convenient, but it is ultimately people or individuals who are responsible for what happens next for mankind.

 

[Vinny N]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Vinny N
Well. It certainly is a "rant".

Religions have two components. Outer tradition which is constructed and developed by communities. And inner faith which is personal and tempered by one's thoughts and experiences.

Your rant is weak as an "argument" because you merely mock rituals from religious tradition and fail to acknowledge the meaning faith gives to people and the philanthropy that results from the meaning they find in their lives.

All of the things you note as being held back by religion are controversial in nature. Even if there were no religions there would still be moral dilemmas, new ideas or technology that people are inherently uncomfortable with. People can be frightened as is of the new possibilities in this world. Taking away religion isn't going to change that.

And you must be joking about the military. Self-preservation, greed, taking from others, keeping what is ours, spreading our ideals about government and economies, etc. I'm sure people could name many such reasons why so much is spent on the military. Those are why armies exist. You must be kidding yourself if you really believe it came down to religion.

Im not arguing against morals, im arguing against furthering humanity because THE CHURCH says so. You can have your own beliefs, but beliefs based on an old and obviously outdated system created by people with motives isn't the way to go.

What "THE CHURCH" says doesn't exactly make things so. If it is so powerful that its dictates can hold back humanity surely they can also make it such that no one has pre-marital sex, abortions, there are no wars, etc.

People ultimately do what they want. Sometimes they justify under a pretense of religious belief and sometimes they do not. Blaming religion or thinking that if religion were gone that we wouldn't have the same problems we do now is absurd.

 

[mchammer]

Yes, I agree with the above, I have many concerns about the advancement of technology that are not religious in nature. Also it should be remebered that religious groups were a large force in the civil rights era for blacks.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Vinny N

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Vinny N
Well. It certainly is a "rant".

Religions have two components. Outer tradition which is constructed and developed by communities. And inner faith which is personal and tempered by one's thoughts and experiences.

Your rant is weak as an "argument" because you merely mock rituals from religious tradition and fail to acknowledge the meaning faith gives to people and the philanthropy that results from the meaning they find in their lives.

All of the things you note as being held back by religion are controversial in nature. Even if there were no religions there would still be moral dilemmas, new ideas or technology that people are inherently uncomfortable with. People can be frightened as is of the new possibilities in this world. Taking away religion isn't going to change that.

And you must be joking about the military. Self-preservation, greed, taking from others, keeping what is ours, spreading our ideals about government and economies, etc. I'm sure people could name many such reasons why so much is spent on the military. Those are why armies exist. You must be kidding yourself if you really believe it came down to religion.

Im not arguing against morals, im arguing against furthering humanity because THE CHURCH says so. You can have your own beliefs, but beliefs based on an old and obviously outdated system created by people with motives isn't the way to go.

What "THE CHURCH" says doesn't exactly make things so. If it is so powerful that its dictates can hold back humanity surely they can also make it such that no one has pre-marital sex, abortions, there are no wars, etc.

People ultimately do what they want. Sometimes they justify under a pretense of religious belief and sometimes they do not. Blaming religion or thinking that if religion were gone that we wouldn't have the same problems we do now is absurd.

::sigh::

He has a problem with Catholicism, but doesn't have the balls to outright say he doesn't like Catholicism. So he's masquerading his agenda behind hating all religions.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: mchammer
Yes, I agree with the above, I have many concerns about the advancement of technology that are not religious in nature. Also it should be remebered that religious groups were a large force in the civil rights era for blacks.

Come on. Everybody knows that religion has never been responsible for any good in this world, and only the atheists/agnostics have perpetuated goodness.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: mchammer
Yes, I agree with the above, I have many concerns about the advancement of technology that are not religious in nature. Also it should be remebered that religious groups were a large force in the civil rights era for blacks.

Come on. Everybody knows that religion has never been responsible for any good in this world, and only the atheists/agnostics have perpetuated goodness.

Sorry forgot the PC line

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: mchammer

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: mchammer
Yes, I agree with the above, I have many concerns about the advancement of technology that are not religious in nature. Also it should be remebered that religious groups were a large force in the civil rights era for blacks.

Come on. Everybody knows that religion has never been responsible for any good in this world, and only the atheists/agnostics have perpetuated goodness.

Sorry forgot the PC line

You racist theists :|

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: mchammer
Yes, I agree with the above, I have many concerns about the advancement of technology that are not religious in nature. Also it should be remebered that religious groups were a large force in the civil rights era for blacks.

Come on. Everybody knows that religion has never been responsible for any good in this world, and only the atheists/agnostics have perpetuated goodness.

Before you say "everybody", you better create a poll.

You assume waaaay too much.

 

[classy]

You know an atheist and a religous person are one in the same. The religous person's religion is founded in some book or belief. The atheist has a religion too. Its called anti-relgion. As a matter of fact an atheist is even more dogmatic than even the most religous zealout. Both push their religion to the fullest extent. One pushes his belief of a greater being and the atheist pushes his belief of no greater being. Each has their own god too. The religous person has Jesus, Allah, or Buddha. The atheist has his god too, himself. The religous zealot talks about the works of his god and atheist pushes his great works about what he has accomplished. So it would seem to me for an atheist to throw stones at religion, maybe they should put their own glass house up for sale first. Just a thought..........

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: JS80
Actually now that I think about it, atheism has killed more people than religion. Let's see, communist Russia, communist China, communist North Korea, communist Cuba...

Don't blame a religion for the faults of man.

Nor should you blame atheism for something it cannot do: incite particular behaviors. People do things because of what they believe, not what they don't believe.

 

[ForumMaster]

Originally posted by: kogase
God, another ssHH|TY MYSPACE SITE WITH LOUD AS FVCK MUSIC BLARING AT ME THE INSTANT I CLICK THE LINK GOD DAMN! Good think my hand gravitated to the close window button in under a second to silence that mofo monstrosity.

or don't use IE. i use opera since all that crap is turned off.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: JS80
Actually now that I think about it, atheism has killed more people than religion. Let's see, communist Russia, communist China, communist North Korea, communist Cuba...

Don't blame a religion for the faults of man.

Nor should you blame atheism for something it cannot do: incite particular behaviors. People do things because of what they believe, not what they don't believe.

You're arguing semantics. Theists don't "believe there is a God." They just don't believe that there isn't a God. Two ways of saying the same thing.

 

[mchammer]

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: JS80
Actually now that I think about it, atheism has killed more people than religion. Let's see, communist Russia, communist China, communist North Korea, communist Cuba...

Don't blame a religion for the faults of man.

Nor should you blame atheism for something it cannot do: incite particular behaviors. People do things because of what they believe, not what they don't believe.

I think the point he was trying to make is that even when religion is absent in a situation, bad things can indeed happen.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: ForumMaster

Originally posted by: kogase
God, another ssHH|TY MYSPACE SITE WITH LOUD AS FVCK MUSIC BLARING AT ME THE INSTANT I CLICK THE LINK GOD DAMN! Good think my hand gravitated to the close window button in under a second to silence that mofo monstrosity.

or don't use IE. i use opera since all that crap is turned off.

I use Firefox, I could turn it off but every once in a while it's put to legitimate use. Besides, why should I turn it off, he's the one who sucks.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: mchammer
Yes, I agree with the above, I have many concerns about the advancement of technology that are not religious in nature. Also it should be remebered that religious groups were a large force in the civil rights era for blacks.

Come on. Everybody knows that religion has never been responsible for any good in this world, and only the atheists/agnostics have perpetuated goodness.

Religion doesn't do any good in the world? Salvation Army? Red Cross? Religious charities? What about....oh crap my sarcasm meter just turned on. Nevermind.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: mchammer
Yes, I agree with the above, I have many concerns about the advancement of technology that are not religious in nature. Also it should be remebered that religious groups were a large force in the civil rights era for blacks.

Come on. Everybody knows that religion has never been responsible for any good in this world, and only the atheists/agnostics have perpetuated goodness.

Religion doesn't do any good in the world? Salvation Army? Red Cross? Religious charities? What about....oh crap my sarcasm meter just turned on. Nevermind.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: JS80
Actually now that I think about it, atheism has killed more people than religion. Let's see, communist Russia, communist China, communist North Korea, communist Cuba...

Don't blame a religion for the faults of man.

Nor should you blame atheism for something it cannot do: incite particular behaviors. People do things because of what they believe, not what they don't believe.

erm...Thinking that there isn't a God doesn't constitute a lack of belief, just a lack of belief in god. I'm sure that the absolute conviction that lies in both corners is able to "incite particular behaviors". As mentioned above people on both sides of the fence can exibit remarkably similar behavior. So it isn't a stretch to think that these trendencies may be independent of religious alignment.

 

[jagec]

Wow, congratulations on your amazing blog which presents many novel arguments and concepts that aren't stale at all!

You do realize that (badly) parroting arguments you read elsewhere contributes no more to society than quoting TV shows? In fact, it probably does LESS.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: mchammer
looks like this guy got pwned pretty bad.

we should have an oldsmoboat's law for stuff on myspace.

Since i got 2 serious replies from people, including your useless reply, and im having civil discussion with those people, i dont see how anyone got owned.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: jagec
Wow, congratulations on your amazing blog which presents many novel arguments and concepts that aren't stale at all!

You do realize that (badly) parroting arguments you read elsewhere contributes no more to society than quoting TV shows? In fact, it probably does LESS.

I didnt get any of what i said from anywhere else.