Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

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Ackmed

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I don't think it's a stretch to think that the Dems put stuff in there that they knew had to be edited, just to try and make the WH look bad. Only to complain that they're withholding their memo. Very naive and ignorant to think otherwise in my opinion. I do think, and hope it gets released with the body of it intact. As well as any other memo or document, along with the documents that they were based on. As long as there is no sensitive information, classified or the like I don't see a problem with it. Release it all, let the public see what was, or was not going on and let them make their own decision.
 
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Ackmed said:
I don't think it's a stretch to think that the Dems put stuff in there that they knew had to be edited, just to try and make the WH look bad. Only to complain that they're withholding their memo. Very naive and ignorant to think otherwise in my opinion. I do think, and hope it gets released with the body of it intact. As well as any other memo or document, along with the documents that they were based on. As long as there is no sensitive information, classified or the like I don't see a problem with it. Release it all, let the public see what was, or was not going on and let them make their own decision.
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And yet when the FBI and DOJ said they had those very same concerns about Nunes memo and threw in it was also incredibly misleading the WH didn’t seem to care and released it as is, without redaction.

So their concerns now seem quite hollow irrelevant of how much people want to assume it’s because of a sabotage plan by the democrats. They didn’t care. Until they did.
 
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Ackmed said:
I don't think it's a stretch to think that the Dems put stuff in there that they knew had to be edited, just to try and make the WH look bad...
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So, were the Republicans on the House Intelligence committee also plotting to make the White House look bad? They also voted to release the Democrats' memo. They were unanimous, in fact.
 
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Ackmed said:
I don't think it's a stretch to think that the Dems put stuff in there that they knew had to be edited, just to try and make the WH look bad. Only to complain that they're withholding their memo. Very naive and ignorant to think otherwise in my opinion. I do think, and hope it gets released with the body of it intact. As well as any other memo or document, along with the documents that they were based on. As long as there is no sensitive information, classified or the like I don't see a problem with it. Release it all, let the public see what was, or was not going on and let them make their own decision.
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Its also not a stretch, in fact it has the benefit of being true the GOP memo undercut their own argument. You know the one that said spying on Carter Paige was based on the dossier.
 
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MomentsofSanity said:
And yet when the FBI and DOJ said they had those very same concerns about Nunes memo and threw in it was also incredibly misleading the WH didn’t seem to care and released it as is, without redaction.

So their concerns now seem quite hollow irrelevant of how much people want to assume it’s because of a sabotage plan by the democrats. They didn’t care. Until they did.
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What concerns were they?

The facts are, that the Repub voted to release both memos. Dems voted against releasing the Repubs, and only for their own. One party voted for both, one for only theirs. Repubs edited the memo after it was voted to be released, with mostly grammatical errors fixed. At the request of the FBI. Dems took that and ran with it, trying to claim they were editing the body and substance of the memo. Pretty shady thing to do. So no, I don't think its hard to imagine the Dems purposely putting stuff in their memo, knowing that it would need to be edited, to try and make the WH look bad. And to be honest if the shoe was on the other foot, I think the Repubs would have done the same thing. I don't have a lot of faith in the entire body of either party. Mostly good yeah, but some sneaky bastards on either side. Believing only one party plays dirty is extremely silly. Yet there are those here who believe that. As I said, I want both memos, and everything else released. I think there will be a back and forth through this entire process, which will get very tiring.
 
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Ackmed said:
What concerns were they?

The facts are, that the Repub voted to release both memos. Dems voted against releasing the Repubs, and only for their own. One party voted for both, one for only theirs. Repubs edited the memo after it was voted to be released, with mostly grammatical errors fixed. At the request of the FBI. Dems took that and ran with it, trying to claim they were editing the body and substance of the memo. Pretty shady thing to do. So no, I don't think its hard to imagine the Dems purposely putting stuff in their memo, knowing that it would need to be edited, to try and make the WH look bad. And to be honest if the shoe was on the other foot, I think the Repubs would have done the same thing. I don't have a lot of faith in the entire body of either party. Mostly good yeah, but some sneaky bastards on either side. Believing only one party plays dirty is extremely silly. Yet there are those here who believe that. As I said, I want both memos, and everything else released. I think there will be a back and forth through this entire process, which will get very tiring.
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Of course the Dems voted against it initially as the GOP were voting to suppress the dem opinion and only release their own. That’s unprecedented when it comes to this type of matter. Both opinions have always been released simultaneously. So of course they voted no intitially. The GOP reps also voted unanimously not to release the dem memo. You conveniently left that out.

Comparing the votes as some kind of validation of intent is just desperate.
 
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Ackmed said:
What concerns were they?

The facts are, that the Repub voted to release both memos. Dems voted against releasing the Repubs, and only for their own. One party voted for both, one for only theirs. Repubs edited the memo after it was voted to be released, with mostly grammatical errors fixed. At the request of the FBI. Dems took that and ran with it, trying to claim they were editing the body and substance of the memo. Pretty shady thing to do. So no, I don't think its hard to imagine the Dems purposely putting stuff in their memo, knowing that it would need to be edited, to try and make the WH look bad. And to be honest if the shoe was on the other foot, I think the Repubs would have done the same thing. I don't have a lot of faith in the entire body of either party. Mostly good yeah, but some sneaky bastards on either side. Believing only one party plays dirty is extremely silly. Yet there are those here who believe that. As I said, I want both memos, and everything else released. I think there will be a back and forth through this entire process, which will get very tiring.
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Initially the GOP ALL voted against releasing the Dem memo. They wanted an uncontested audience for Nunes's bombshell. After that turkey was released and failed then the GOP voted in lockstep to release the Dem memo, probably so they wouldn't appear partisan (lol).
 
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Ackmed said:
What concerns were they?

The facts are, that the Repub voted to release both memos. Dems voted against releasing the Repubs, and only for their own. One party voted for both, one for only theirs. Repubs edited the memo after it was voted to be released, with mostly grammatical errors fixed. At the request of the FBI. Dems took that and ran with it, trying to claim they were editing the body and substance of the memo. Pretty shady thing to do. So no, I don't think its hard to imagine the Dems purposely putting stuff in their memo, knowing that it would need to be edited, to try and make the WH look bad. And to be honest if the shoe was on the other foot, I think the Repubs would have done the same thing. I don't have a lot of faith in the entire body of either party. Mostly good yeah, but some sneaky bastards on either side. Believing only one party plays dirty is extremely silly. Yet there are those here who believe that. As I said, I want both memos, and everything else released. I think there will be a back and forth through this entire process, which will get very tiring.
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Democrats opposed releasing ANY memos but said if that was not going to happen then the answer was to release both. This was always their entirely consistent position.

Nunes' memo totally failed to illustrate any wrongdoing. In fact, Nunes was forced to admit its central accusation, that the FBI misled the FISA court about the source of the dossier, was a lie. This was a ridiculous and transparent political stunt from the beginning in an attempt to shield the president from investigation for possible criminal activity. If we can't admit that one side is the problem here when can we ever admit it?
 
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Ackmed said:
What concerns were they?

The facts are, that the Repub voted to release both memos. Dems voted against releasing the Repubs, and only for their own. One party voted for both, one for only theirs. .
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The underlined is utter fucking bullshit. You can't be this ignorant of the chain of events that got us here. The GOP voted AGAINST the Democratic response at the same time the voted for the Nunes memo. This is an actual fact thus ensuring their memo was the only officially approved narrative available.
 
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The underlined is utter fucking bullshit. You can't be this ignorant of the chain of events that got us here. The GOP voted AGAINST the Democratic response at the same time the voted for the Nunes memo. This is an actual fact thus ensuring their memo was the only officially approved narrative available.
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Trump had no intention of allowing the well crafted counter argument into the wild.
 
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Ackmed said:
What concerns were they?

The facts are, that the Repub voted to release both memos. Dems voted against releasing the Repubs, and only for their own. One party voted for both, one for only theirs. Repubs edited the memo after it was voted to be released, with mostly grammatical errors fixed. At the request of the FBI. Dems took that and ran with it, trying to claim they were editing the body and substance of the memo. Pretty shady thing to do. So no, I don't think its hard to imagine the Dems purposely putting stuff in their memo, knowing that it would need to be edited, to try and make the WH look bad. And to be honest if the shoe was on the other foot, I think the Repubs would have done the same thing. I don't have a lot of faith in the entire body of either party. Mostly good yeah, but some sneaky bastards on either side. Believing only one party plays dirty is extremely silly. Yet there are those here who believe that. As I said, I want both memos, and everything else released. I think there will be a back and forth through this entire process, which will get very tiring.
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Well consumed/regurgitated Fox-News propaganda. Geez, I always wondered who believed all that BS.
 
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Gawd. The FBI objected to the Nunes memo on the basis of *lies of omission* leading to erroneous conclusions. They just said it in a much nicer way than I did.

OTOH, they objected to the Dem memo because it included too much.

Go figure.
 
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Wow. So MONTHS before the election, we had FIVE Trump people under investigation.

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