Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

[Jhhnn]

Steele went to Yahoo News? lmao(That is bad judgement). I find the part about Strozk moving from counter intelligence division to HR because of a text with a mistress. I am surprised he didn't get fired, he must have some dirt on some people on inside at the FBI!

But the reality is that his memo is showing bad judgement by the FBI for taking the DNC info as pure gold. It seems that somewhere in the process the checks and balances would have caught this before it reached FISA.

I imagine the big beef with this in the Democratic circles is that it appears they coerced the FBI into a Russian investigation over a bogus memo and that Steele was doing everything he could to prevent Trump from being elected. That ties Russia, DNC, FBI decisions all together. The puppet masters being the DNC.

Oh God! Deep State conspiracy!

Who, other than Trump fans, is saying that there was no evidence other than the Steele memo?

 

[Pens1566]

Direct quote from memo section 5:

Yeah, this is an "own goal" they're either leaving out, or just didn't realize in their stupid rush to get the memo out.

 

[Jhhnn]

I honestly have no idea why Schiff and Wray and other intelligence wonks were so doom and gloom about releasing this memo...it's a nothingburger. It does a great job of smearing Ohr and Strzok...but Trump and friends keep saying it's the FBI leadership at issue and not "rank and file". Where is that in the memo?

Nunes altered it before sending it to Trump, remember?

 

[UNCjigga]

Nunes altered it before sending it to Trump, remember?

So we are seeing the Nunes 11th hour "watered down" version? I heard today that this version left nothing redacted??

 

[dyna]

Oh God! Deep State conspiracy!

Who, other than Trump fans, is saying that there was no evidence other than the Steele memo?

I'm giving a realistic interpretation on why this memo was released in the first place. You may not be a fan of the memo but the fact is that the Dossier was viewed as DNC funded(for the purpose of getting dirt on Trump) and was used to start FBI investigations. I think it probably got out of control further than the DNC wanted including starting the Russian investigation but that is the narrative.

 

[ewdotson]

(Quoted the wrong post)

The Page surveillance and the Mueller investigation are not the same thing. One shouldn't conflate them.

 

[BreakArms]

Direct quote from memo section 5:

Opening an investigation and obtaining a warrant for wire-taps are two different things. McCabe allegedly said the warrants wouldn't have been possible without the dossier, indicating that if true, the "investigation" would have died there.

 

[Jhhnn]

The whole thing is astoundingly lame. Carter Page had already left the campaign before the warrant was issued. Therefore surveillance of the Trump campaign has not been shown to have occurred at all. The notion that the warrant was obtained strictly on the basis of the Steele dossier has not been shown, either.

Nonetheless, every right wing conspiracy theorist in America is currently losing their shit over it. Cuz the ebil Hillary is obviously behind it, somehow.

 

[Jhhnn]

Opening an investigation and obtaining a warrant for wire-taps are two different things. McCabe allegedly said the warrants wouldn't have been possible without the dossier, indicating that if true, the "investigation" would have died there.

Quote McCabe.

 

[vi edit]

Opening an investigation and obtaining a warrant for wire-taps are two different things. McCabe allegedly said the warrants wouldn't have been possible without the dossier, indicating that if true, the "investigation" would have died there.

Ok, so answer me this. The FBI has a fat ass binder on Page going back to 3+ years before Trump was even running for President. He's been known by the FBI for years as having been compromised by Russia. So a known intelligence investigator (Lets not forget that Steele was largely responsible for busting the FIFA corruption) comes to the FBI and tells them that he thinks Page is up to some bad stuff.

The FBI goes to the Carter Page Fat Ass Binder of Russian Associations and says "Well, we should probably look into this". And goes through the FISA application process because of his history and the information provided to them.

FISA's are done on probable cause. It's not like this dweeb was an unknown and the FBI intentionally targeted him.

 

[UNCjigga]

I'm giving a realistic interpretation on why this memo was released in the first place. You may not be a fan of the memo but the fact is that, it was viewed as DNC funded(for the purpose of getting dirt on Trump) and was used to start FBI investigations. I think it probably got out of control further than the DNC wanted including starting the Russian investigation but that is narrative.

You realize that the whole point of campaign/DNC going through a law firm (Perkins Coie) is so that they are one-step removed from the operation. That's so the investigators (Steele and other Fusion contractors) don't have to worry about who the client is or any bias affecting their work, and DNC/campaign is not getting running updates.

Do you think for one second that the Hillary campaign or DNC would not have leaked any of the Steele allegations BEFORE the election if they had the Intel? What is the point of oppo research?

I can't be sure, but I think Steele went to FBI/Yahoo News without sharing the dossier with the client.

 

[jackstar7]

Apparently redstate is already questioning the veracity of the memo... so that's gotta be a good sign.

https://www.redstate.com/patterico/...naccuracy-thememo-calls-credibility-question/

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Schiff response.

 

[dyna]

You realize that the whole point of campaign/DNC going through a law firm (Perkins Coie) is so that they are one-step removed from the operation. That's so the investigators (Steele and other Fusion contractors) don't have to worry about who the client is or any bias affecting their work, and DNC/campaign is not getting running updates.

Do you think for one second that the Hillary campaign or DNC would not have leaked any of the Steele allegations BEFORE the election if they had the Intel? What is the point of oppo research?

I can't be sure, but I think Steele went to FBI/Yahoo News without sharing the dossier with the client.

I agree, that is probably what happened but when they followed the money it went back to the DNC. I don't think the DNC intended for there to be this much harm with their investment in Steele and the corresponding Dossier. I think all of Congress/FBI/ Maybe Mueller know this and that is why they didn't want this memo released. They were probably preparing/planning damage control from all that transpired from this. It is a bit embarrassing for all.

 

[Jhhnn]

Apparently redstate is already questioning the veracity of the memo... so that's gotta be a good sign.

https://www.redstate.com/patterico/...naccuracy-thememo-calls-credibility-question/

To quote-

Remember: Nunes is someone who already showed himself to be of questionable credibility when it came to defending Trump’s claim that Obama wiretapped him. Now he’s misrepresenting public testimony that anyone can read. Yet we’re supposed to believe his summary of a still-classified FISA warrant based on these broad-brush smears?

Nope. No sale. I said before that it’s a terrible hashtag, but #ReleaseTheDocumentation — specifically the FISA application. If you don’t do that, I have no interest.

There are apparently still a few sane conservatives out there.

 

[UNCjigga]

Apparently redstate is already questioning the veracity of the memo... so that's gotta be a good sign.

https://www.redstate.com/patterico/...naccuracy-thememo-calls-credibility-question/

Good catch...supports my view that at least some part of the dossier *had* been verified. I wonder if this is one of the late-night Nunes edits that Schiff was so upset about????

 

[jackstar7]

I agree, that is probably what happened but when they followed the money it went back to the DNC. I don't think the DNC intended for there to be this much harm with their investment in Steele and the corresponding Dossier. I think all of Congress/FBI/ Maybe Mueller know this and that is why they didn't want this memo released. They were probably preparing/planning damage control from all that transpired from this. It is a bit embarrassing for all.

Sorry, this thread has been a flurry of activity. Are you still asserting that nothing in the dossier has been corroborated?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Jake Tapper‏Verified account @jaketapper
2/3 Ranking Dem on Committee Schiff asserts that statement does not represent what McCabe told the committee. Schiff says McCabe told the panel the "genesis of the investigation" did not begin with the dossier.

11:50 AM - 2 Feb 2018

So yeah. The claim that McCabe said it was solely based on the dossier is being disputed by other members. Clearly this is one of the points they felt was misleading/false.

 

[UNCjigga]

To quote-



There are apparently still a few sane conservatives out there.

This is actually pretty damning. I can't believe no one else on the GOP side caught that before, and hints to me that this was altered at Trump's request (my opinion.)

If Nunes isn't removed from his chairmanship by next week there will be hell to pay. #resistance campaign anyone?

 

[UNCjigga]

Fuck this shit, I live in Burr's state, I know he's Senate and not House but I'm calling and writing and emailing that Nunes needs to get gone. Fuck that dipshit.

 

[vi edit]

Well, sounds like it's time to Pentagon Paper the Democrat rebuttal.

 

[interchange]

The conclusions being drawn are quite... Interesting.

There is no evidence that surveillance if Carter Page is at all material to Mueller's investigation. There is a lot of evidence that Mueller's investigation is substantiated by other known facts (Popadopoulus, firing it Comey, Flynn's false statements, etc.) that are independent of Page. The memo's characterization of Comey's testimony is leading and incorrect. The statement made by McCabe, whatever it was, is at minimum taken out of context. Even if it weren't, it really only indicates that something in the dossier pointed the FBI in the direction of evidence that was used to obtain the warrants. In no way does it demonstrate that the warrants depend on the dossier or that anything from the dossier that was used is inaccurate or unverified.

 

[dyna]

Sorry, this thread has been a flurry of activity. Are you still asserting that nothing in the dossier has been corroborated?

You can up with your own conclusion on what it means when an independent organization in the FBI says it is "minimally corroborated." And the director states that is "Salacious and unverified."

I would say that makes anything in it questionable, especially as evidence. If your a proven liar are you going to be a good witness in court? Probably not.

 

[Jhhnn]

I do love it, the way the usual suspects accept the Nunes memo as meaningful when it's not just unverified but contested by the parties named. It's an unverified accusation that the FBI used nothing but unverified info in obtaining the warrant.

And they want to believe it sooo bad, too.

 

[vi edit]

You can up with your own conclusion on what it means when an independent organization in the FBI says it is "minimally corroborated." And the director states that is "Salacious and unverified."

I would say that makes anything in it questionable, especially as evidence. If your a proven liar are you going to be a good witness in court? Probably not.

This is the transcript on what Comey said:


BURR: In the public domain is this question of the “Steele dossier,” a document that has been around out in for over a year. I’m not sure when the FBI first took possession of it, but the media had it before you had it and we had it. At the time of your departure from the FBI, was the FBI able to confirm any criminal allegations contained in the Steele document?

COMEY: Mr. Chairman, I don’t think that’s a question I can answer in an open setting because it goes into the details of the investigation.

. . . .

BURR: So if you’ve got a 36-page document of specific claims that are out there, the FBI would have to for counter intelligence reasons, try to verify anything that might be claimed in there, one, and probably first and foremost, is the counterintelligence concerns that we have about blackmail. Would that be an accurate statement?

COMEY: Yes. If the FBI receives a credible allegation that there is some effort to co-opt, coerce, direct, employee covertly an American on behalf of the foreign power, that’s the basis on which a counterintelligence investigation is opened.

BURR: And when you read the dossier, what was your reaction, given that it was 100% directed at the president-elect?

COMEY: Not a question I can answer in open setting, Mr. Chairman.

. . . .

KING: In regard to him being personally under investigation, does that mean that the dossier is not being reviewed or investigated or followed up on in any way?

COMEY: I obviously can’t comment either way. I talk in an open setting about the investigation as it was when I was head of the FBI. It is Bob Mueller’s responsibility now. I don’t know.

SEN. SUSAN COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Comey, let me begin by thanking you for your voluntary compliance with our request to appear before this committee and assist us in this very important investigation. I want first to ask you about your conversations with the president, three conversations in which you told him that he was not under investigation. The first was during your January 6th meeting, according to your testimony, in which it appears that you actually volunteered that assurance. Is that correct?

COMEY: That’s correct.

COLLINS: Did you limit that statement to counterintelligence invest — investigations, or were you talking about any FBI investigation?

COMEY: I didn’t use the term counterintelligence. I was briefing him about salacious and unverified material. It was in a context of that that he had a strong and defensive reaction about that not being true. My reading of it was it was important for me to assure him we were not person investigating him.

COMEY: The president called me I believe shortly before he was inaugurated as a follow-up to our conversation, private conversation on January the 6th. He just wanted to reiterate his rejection of that allegation and talk about—- he’d thought about it more. And why he thought it wasn’t true. The verified — unverified and salacious parts.