Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

[VRAMdemon]

I was starting to think they might not release the memo since they were getting so much mileage just talking about it. I'm sure it will resonate with the hard-core base, and seem like a great big nothingburger to everyone else.

Or more like a Nunesburger.

So, what does Nunes et al expect Democrats to do with this other than just shrug? I'm sure he doesn't expect the Dems to do anything about it. The purpose of releasing it is to poison the well so the water that the base is drinking will taste the way they want it to taste. It's vague, it's unspecific and it's just twisted enough to make the whole enterprise by the FBI look crooked and biased. Perfect "evidence" for them.

 

[dank69]

The FISA document release shows he is1 00% correct...

00% correct. You nailed it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh please, that's what I was saying early today. Many folks here though already know it's all lies, without knowing anything about the underlying facts.

So, uhh, you just popped in out of the blue at post #592 of this thread to tell us that we're the ones who don't know anything about the underlying facts... and seem to expect people to take you seriously.

Right-O!

 

[VRAMdemon]

I wonder if Republicans would be OK with Democrats doing this.

For example: Clinton could have said she and some fellow democrats got together and totally investigated the email server thing and decided that Comey and the FBI were just out to get her and there is nothing to the whole thing. Honest Amos...there was tons of testimony that proves it, but it was confidentially given so take her word for it!

 

[UNCjigga]

The FISA document release shows he is1 00% correct...

This is what happens when you huff paint.

 

[dyna]

Holy shit...keep in mind that Gowdy has seen the underlying intelligence here.

There's a reason he's retiring to "serve justice"... he's jumping ship from GOP before shit hits the fan.

Trey. Benghazi. Gowdy. Jumping. Ship

Why the heck would the contents of the memo discredit his investigation? Was anybody claiming that?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Bullshit

Over the entire 33-year period, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants, with only 12 denials – a rejection rate of 0.03 percent of the total requests. This does not include the number of warrants that were modified by the FISA court.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court

And after 33 years this has suddenly become an extremely important issue for you. Cool. Better late than never I guess.

 

[fskimospy]

That's quite a spin. First, the memo's veracity hasn't been proven or disproven yet, so thats why I said "wait and see". Second, some (loud) folks seem convinced it's discredited already, sans any conclusive evidence themselves. Third, where is your evidence that Nunes has been shown to be completely dishonest and manipulative? Fourth, where is your evidence that "many Republicans" are saying the memo is completely misleading?

Nunes literally got caught lying last March about basically the same topic.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

That's quite a spin. First, the memo's veracity hasn't been proven or disproven yet, so thats why I said "wait and see". Second, some (loud) folks seem convinced it's discredited already, sans any conclusive evidence themselves. Third, where is your evidence that Nunes has been shown to be completely dishonest and manipulative? Fourth, where is your evidence that "many Republicans" are saying the memo is completely misleading?

Dear me. Where to start. A memo created by a guy with an agenda based on "facts" he doesn't have access to, because FISA. In logical fallacy parlance, its known as confirmation bias.

How adorable!

But wait, there's more!

Carter was under investigation way before Trump ran for election, so yeah, Nunesburger FTW.

 

[Commodus]

Why the heck would the contents of the memo discredit his investigation? Was anybody claiming that?

Certainly the Fox News / Breitbart / Daily Caller echo chamber has been desperately hoping the memo would discredit the investigation. Anything to protect Divine Leader Trump.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Informal poll here: how many people here got suckered by Nunes' last bombshell report in April 2017? Not I

 

[interchange]

The meat, if the memo's claims are true, is that the Mueller investigation occurred because and only because (as Wray said), the Dossier. Again though, there's going to be a lot of back and forth in the next week or so and we'll probably see shots fired from both sides before we can possibly know for sure.

This confusion again? The start of an investigation and the request for a subsequent warrant are two different things.

Please apply your own statements to your own statements.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

And after 33 years this has suddenly become an extremely important issue for you. Cool. Better late than never I guess.

Carter Page was the subject of a FISA warrant long before the dossier, and five judges appointed by John Roberts approved this warrant.

Poor Cassanova. Post hoc ergo propter hoc!

 

[VRAMdemon]

This is how they are going to use the memo...

Most of the country isn't going to read the actual memo, so all they need to do is to start the noise machine up and have every talking head repeat over and over that the memo proves that the investigation of Trump is entirely political and has no basis in fact. If anyone argues, just cite the memo.

If a high ranking Republican held up a piece of paper that read in its entirety "Evidence that Democrats broke the law!!", an unsettling number of Republicans would point at it and say "Ohmygod!! That is evidence that Democrats broke the law!

 

[Starbuck1975]

The memo doesn't reveal anything we didn't already know. The dossier, intelligence initially commissioned by Republicans and later adopted by the Clinton campaign, played a role in decisions made by key players related to the chain of events that led to the appointment of Mueller.

Also, given what we've seen in the text messages, it is clear the FBI struggled with the pressures and political implications of these findings hitting in an election year, and the knowledge that any decision they made would impact the election.

It is legitimate to question and investigate the implied political motivations or bias, but the Nunes memo is an incredibly weak hand and does not make a credible argument at all.

Mueller needs to finish his investigation and we need to hear his recommendations.

Nunes should also face reprimand and dismissal.

 

[peonyu]

The only reason the memo isnt a bigger deal than it should be is that nobody is shocked that the FBI is corrupt, it has become a tool to be used by the Democrats and the GW Bush type Republicans [neo cons] to take down opponents. Hillary Clinton was a insider so of course the top officials in the FBI worked to help her in the general election...big shock /sarc. Jeb Bush losing the GOP nomination and Trump becoming the GOP nominee is what caused the corrupt top officials at the FBI to try and sway the election to Hillary as much as possible [imo but this memo backs it up]. The general election was meant to be Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton dont forget, thats why Jeb amassed a so called war chest of 175 million dollars so fast before the first GOP debates, he just sucked so bad that he floundered like a wet fish...And he was a Bush to, who the hell wanted another Bush? Definitely not me, and i vote Republican almost always. If it was Jeb vs Hillary then the FBI probably would have stayed out of it since "their boy/girl" would be in the White House no matter who won out of those two.

 

[Jhhnn]

The only reason the memo isnt a bigger deal than it should be is that nobody is shocked that the FBI is corrupt, it has become a tool to be used by the Democrats and the GW Bush type Republicans [neo cons] to take down opponents. Hillary Clinton was a insider so of course the top officials in the FBI worked to help her in the general election...big shock /sarc. Jeb Bush losing the GOP nomination and Trump becoming the GOP nominee is what caused the corrupt top officials at the FBI to try and sway the election to Hillary as much as possible [imo but this memo backs it up]. The general election was meant to be Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton dont forget, thats why Jeb amassed a so called war chest of 175 million dollars so fast before the first GOP debates, he just sucked so bad that he floundered like a wet fish...And he was a Bush to, who the hell wanted another Bush? Definitely not me, and i vote Republican almost always. If it was Jeb vs Hillary then the FBI probably would have stayed out of it since "their boy/girl" would be in the White House no matter who won out of those two.

Wow... where do you get your drugs?

 

[soundforbjt]

Wow... where do you get your drugs?

YouTube?

 

[Pens1566]

I don't see where it confirms or denies its relevance in the current Russian investigation. I think there are some implications that the Dossier was used to get illegal FISA warrants and extensions which might link it (it was extended 4x, 90days after all) but I don't think you can say its not related. That certainly isn't confirmed in the memo. Are you saying Papdopolus was the start of the Russian election interference back in July 2016?

No. The NYT broke that Papadapolus was the original FBI source for investigating all things Trump/Russia around May/June 2016. The memo even points that out on page 3. That the Papadopolus info was known well before anything to do with the dossier was ever known officially, or used in any kind of FISA proceeding. It severely debunks a longstanding GOP canard that the dossier was the original source for starting the investigation. The timelines alone are nowhere near close. It's bunk.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Wow... where do you get your drugs?

This is the type of person this fiasco was targeting

 

[peonyu]

Wow... where do you get your drugs?

Logic is a nice drug, thats right.

Also Hillary being a insider is correct to, she was exonerated by Comey before he even interviewed her remember. The FBI was playing favorites and landing on grenades for Queen Hillary before she even lost in a epic and grand fashion on Nov 8th. Jeb Bush, being the brother of a ex president AND the son of a ex President is a insider to. Yes i know, logic. Try it.

 

[UNCjigga]

Wow... where do you get your drugs?

Also, welcome back out of the woodwork! Seeing a few folks I haven't seen in a while!

 

[rommelrommel]

The only reason the memo isnt a bigger deal than it should be is that nobody is shocked that the FBI is corrupt, it has become a tool to be used by the Democrats and the GW Bush type Republicans [neo cons] to take down opponents. Hillary Clinton was a insider so of course the top officials in the FBI worked to help her in the general election...big shock /sarc. Jeb Bush losing the GOP nomination and Trump becoming the GOP nominee is what caused the corrupt top officials at the FBI to try and sway the election to Hillary as much as possible [imo but this memo backs it up]. The general election was meant to be Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton dont forget, thats why Jeb amassed a so called war chest of 175 million dollars so fast before the first GOP debates, he just sucked so bad that he floundered like a wet fish...And he was a Bush to, who the hell wanted another Bush? Definitely not me, and i vote Republican almost always. If it was Jeb vs Hillary then the FBI probably would have stayed out of it since "their boy/girl" would be in the White House no matter who won out of those two.

Their opponents being traitors to the USA, yes?

 

[soundforbjt]

Logic is a nice drug, thats right.

Also Hillary being a insider is correct to, she was exonerated by Comey before he even interviewed her remember. The FBI was playing favorites and landing on grenades for Queen Hillary before she even lost in a epic and grand fashion on Nov 8th. Jeb Bush, being the brother of a ex president AND the son of a ex President is a insider to. Yes i know, logic. Try it.

Then explain why Comey protected Trump by not announcing that he was under investigation before the election.

 

[UNCjigga]

Why the heck would the contents of the memo discredit his investigation? Was anybody claiming that?

Tons of "FIRE MUELLER!" on the Twitter. Also, people were claiming that the memo gives cover to fire Rosenstein, but did you read any justification for that??