Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

[pcgeek11]

These memos side step due process and should've never been allowed in the first place.

But here we are...

 

[Amused]

It is far from over so keep watching. This one is stewing in the shadows.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/10/20/white-supremacist-flyers-texas-campus/

Makes me sick. Don't get me wrong. It's very believable in today's climate. I'm just skeptical about anything now. Eve more so if it fits something I want to believe.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

lol are you serious anandtech forum users? heres proof of all the collusion you were looking for, russian trolls, the use of the government spy apparatus to attack political opponents, but since it was the democrats doing it, then its all a lie right?

What proof of this grand conspiracy do you have?

Complain about the critics - check
Don't address any of their points - check
Make a claim based on zero facts - check

Conclusion - passes Trumpian standard for truthyness

 

[mikeymikec]

Where is all the gloom and doom predicted by the Democrats?

The concern is about the attempts to smear the Mueller investigation and the FBI. The government needs to make sure that people disbelieve the findings of the Mueller investigation before they've heard them. That's why Trump doesn't go a week without disparaging someone vaguely associated with the investigation.

The Republicans have already tipped their hand by not pushing for impeachment after it became obvious (e.g. the arrests and Sessions recusing himself) that Trump is attempting to obstruct justice after he admitted firing Comey because of the Russia investigation.

 

[interchange]

I thought this memo spelled the end and was going to out all of these sources and methods.

Evidence of significant concern for the memo outing sources and methods?

Though it does raise some questions about McCabe saying that no FISA would have been sought without the dossier and the "circular reporting" with Steele feeding Yahoo News and that news story used to back up the dossier.

Evidence that the Yahoo! News article was used to corroborate the dossier? Schiff has said that was not the purpose of the article's inclusion, and a FISA expert offered an explanation that seems much more plausible to me: that the article was included to demonstrate that the targets had motivation to start covering their tracks thus making surveillance at the time more important.

 

[fskimospy]

Where is all the gloom and doom predicted by the Democrats? I thought this memo spelled the end and was going to out all of these sources and methods.

It also wasn't as big a deal as the Republicans made out. Though it does raise some questions about McCabe saying that no FISA would have been sought without the dossier and the "circular reporting" with Steele feeding Yahoo News and that news story used to back up the dossier.

Looking forward to the Democrats Memo.

Pretty sure after the uproar they went and redacted some of the more sensitive stuff.

Regardless I don’t think anyone can doubt that Nunes has badly damaged the relationship between congress and the intelligence community. They now know that congress won’t hesitate to reveal classified information for political advantage.

 

[Commodus]

Where is all the gloom and doom predicted by the Democrats? I thought this memo spelled the end and was going to out all of these sources and methods.

It also wasn't as big a deal as the Republicans made out. Though it does raise some questions about McCabe saying that no FISA would have been sought without the dossier and the "circular reporting" with Steele feeding Yahoo News and that news story used to back up the dossier.

Looking forward to the Democrats Memo.

I do think the Democrats overhyped the danger behind releasing the memo. They made it sound like the content was the problem when it was really the intent (trying to smear the Russia investigation by skipping due process) that was the concern.

On the Republican front, this reminds me more than a little of the party's attempts to pass ACA repeal laws -- they were perpetually thwarted by their own ineptitude, their overeagerness to hurt innocent people. The difference is that there probably won't be an alternative means of getting their way this time around.

 

[UNCjigga]

Where is all the gloom and doom predicted by the Democrats? I thought this memo spelled the end and was going to out all of these sources and methods.

It also wasn't as big a deal as the Republicans made out. Though it does raise some questions about McCabe saying that no FISA would have been sought without the dossier and the "circular reporting" with Steele feeding Yahoo News and that news story used to back up the dossier.

Looking forward to the Democrats Memo.

Well, as noted earlier in this thread there are Dems who were in the room saying McCabe never actually said that (words out of context).

We won't know for sure unless the transcript of McCabe's testimony is released, but as Redstate noted, Nunes already misquoted Comey's "salacious and unverified" comment out of context and we have that transcript (he was talking about a single claim in the dossier--pee tape--not the entire dossier itself.) So authenticity is already in question.

The circular reporting between Steele/Yahoo sounds bad, but moreso because it makes the FBI look easily misled or worse, incompetent. But as others have already noted, the Nunes memo only confirms that Steele was Isikoff's source, not that the information was bogus. Nunes ignores other evidence in the FISA warrant...which Nunes has never actually seen.

 

[Jhhnn]

Where is all the gloom and doom predicted by the Democrats? I thought this memo spelled the end and was going to out all of these sources and methods.

It also wasn't as big a deal as the Republicans made out. Though it does raise some questions about McCabe saying that no FISA would have been sought without the dossier and the "circular reporting" with Steele feeding Yahoo News and that news story used to back up the dossier.

Looking forward to the Democrats Memo.

Nunes altered the memo before sending it to Trump, remember?

What it all comes down to is that Nunes is trying to avoid investigation of Russian meddling by smearing the investigators. I suspect that he won't be able to reduce FBI credibility to a level lower than his own which is right down there with whale shit.

And if the Steele dossier was instrumental in FBI thinking, so what? The GOP merely contends it to be unverified rather than untrue. It seems highly unlikely that it was the sole basis for any warrant. Neither the FBI nor the judges involved want warrants that won't stand up in court.

 

[Jhhnn]

I do think the Democrats overhyped the danger behind releasing the memo. They made it sound like the content was the problem when it was really the intent (trying to smear the Russia investigation by skipping due process) that was the concern.

Nunes altered the memo before sending it to Trump. It's not the same memo Dems objected to.

 

[pcgeek11]

As part of the Defamation Law Suit of Steel it was revealed that Fusion GPS and Steele briefed Yahoo News about the dossier claims — specifically, reporter Michael Isikoff.

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-42923524

The memo also says the FBI's surveillance warrant application cited as supporting information an article on Yahoo News, which focused on Carter Page's July 2016 trip to Moscow.

"The article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News.

"The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News.

"Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met Yahoo news - and several other outlets - in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS."

 

[interchange]

As part of the Defamation Law Suit of Steel it was revealed that Fusion GPS and Steele briefed Yahoo News about the dossier claims — specifically, reporter Michael Isikoff.

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-42923524

The memo also says the FBI's surveillance warrant application cited as supporting information an article on Yahoo News, which focused on Carter Page's July 2016 trip to Moscow.

"The article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News.

"The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News.

"Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met Yahoo news - and several other outlets - in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS."

Do you realize that someone who has actually read the FISA warrant application has plainly said that the purpose of the article's inclusion was not to corroborate the dossier?

 

[fskimospy]

Do you realize that someone who has actually read the FISA warrant application has plainly said that the purpose of the article's inclusion was not to corroborate the dossier?

Yeah I’m not sure why this has to be repeated so many times.

I imagine there’s a pretty heavy misinformation campaign going on in conservative media right now after this flop. They are going to be working really hard to re-inflate the conspiracy bubble.

 

[Jhhnn]

As part of the Defamation Law Suit of Steel it was revealed that Fusion GPS and Steele briefed Yahoo News about the dossier claims — specifically, reporter Michael Isikoff.

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-42923524

The memo also says the FBI's surveillance warrant application cited as supporting information an article on Yahoo News, which focused on Carter Page's July 2016 trip to Moscow.

"The article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News.

"The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News.

"Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met Yahoo news - and several other outlets - in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS."

None of which actually questions the veracity of the Steele dossier, does it?

 

[pcgeek11]

Do you realize that someone who has actually read the FISA warrant application has plainly said that the purpose of the article's inclusion was not to corroborate the dossier?

There have been people that read it that said sources and methods would be revealed and that classified information would also. There was none.

You know that right?

 

[pcgeek11]

None of which actually questions the veracity of the Steele dossier, does it?

It appears that it was circular logic used to authenticate the dossier.

 

[fskimospy]

There have been people that read it that said sources and methods would be revealed and that classified information would also. There was none.

You know that right?

They were redacted in response to those concerns. How many times does this have to be repeated?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.bea364dad3c2

 

[fskimospy]

It appears that it was circular logic used to authenticate the dossier.

Except, yet again, that is contradicted by people with direct knowledge of the application.

So considering they were right about the classified information they are probably right here. That would make the most sense, right?

 

[pcgeek11]

You are going to believe what you believe no matter what so what is the point. I myself haven't drawn any conclusion. I am waiting on the Dems memo to see what it says. I'm not going to blindly assume that this memo is all lies because some people said...

 

[Jhhnn]

It appears that it was circular logic used to authenticate the dossier.

That's merely the picture Nunes et al are trying to paint. It does not address the issue of actual veracity in the slightest.

And, when we play it all through, the worst case scenario for the DoJ is that information gained via the warrant would be inadmissible in court as evidence against Page. Why would the Trump admin be concerned about that given their claims that Page wasn't really a part of the campaign?

 

[fskimospy]

You are going to believe what you believe no matter what so what is the point. I myself haven't drawn any conclusion. I am waiting on the Dems memo to see what it says. I'm not going to blindly assume that this memo is all lies because some people said...

Isn’t it common sense to not believe proven liars though?

 

[interchange]

There have been people that read it that said sources and methods would be revealed and that classified information would also. There was none.

You know that right?

Nice whataboutism. Nonetheless, I don't. Show me a single person who had access to the memo itself that expressed concern that it did, and then show me how that would even be relevant given the fact that Nunes modified the memo to include "corrections proposed by Democrats" prior to it's release.

It appears that it was circular logic used to authenticate the dossier.

Again? Find a single person who had access to the underlying intelligence that supports this claim. A single one.

 

[pcgeek11]

That's merely the picture Nunes et al are trying to paint. It does not address the issue of actual veracity in the slightest.

And, when we play it all through, the worst case scenario for the DoJ is that information gained via the warrant would be inadmissible in court as evidence against Page. Why would the Trump admin be concerned about that given their claims that Page wasn't really a part of the campaign?

Ok, remain blind to the facts.

 

[zinfamous]

Steele went to Yahoo News? lmao(That is bad judgement). I find the part about Strozk moving from counter intelligence division to HR because of a text with a mistress. I am surprised he didn't get fired, he must have some dirt on some people on inside at the FBI!

But the reality is that his memo is showing bad judgement by the FBI for taking the DNC info as pure gold. It seems that somewhere in the process the checks and balances would have caught this before it reached FISA.

I imagine the big beef with this in the Democratic circles is that it appears they coerced the FBI into a Russian investigation over a bogus memo and that Steele was doing everything he could to prevent Trump from being elected. That ties Russia, DNC, FBI decisions all together. The puppet masters being the DNC.

lol. no literate person could possibly bring this analysis after reading the memo. This memo more or less legitimizes Steele more than he was before. ....If you're paying attention, anyway.

Fucking hilarious.

 

[pcgeek11]

Isn’t it common sense to not believe proven liars though?

So you don't believe any politician? They are all liars to a greater or lesser extent.