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Regret buying an xbox one.

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OverVolt said:
You can generally start fooling around in single player in 18-30seconds on PS4. It will install parts of the game you click on. Hover over Multiplayer and it starts installing multiplayer.

XBOX one you sit in the dashboard and derp for 30 minutes.

I just now got a 435mb Forza update right. I was tuning cars and go to join multiplayer and I'm not connected. So I restart the entire system (instead of just the game like I can on PS4) only for it to just then begin with the 435mb update. PS4 downloads that shit in the background as you play. I'm so used to the convenience of the background downloader on PS4.
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Highlight currently running app, hit the menu button. Close app. No system reboot needed. XBox WILL download while you're playing IF the game does not request internet access. If it requests access, your downloads stop.
 
OverVolt said:
You can generally start fooling around in single player in 18-30seconds on PS4. It will install parts of the game you click on. Hover over Multiplayer and it starts installing multiplayer.

XBOX one you sit in the dashboard and derp for 30 minutes.

I just now got a 435mb Forza update right. I was tuning cars and go to join multiplayer and I'm not connected. So I restart the entire system (instead of just the game like I can on PS4) only for it to just then begin with the 435mb update. PS4 downloads that shit in the background as you play. I'm so used to the convenience of the background downloader on PS4.
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I mean, my XB1 downloads updates while it's turned off. That, and on a connection that runs at 70-90 Mbps, that 435-MB update would take less than a minute to install, so I can't say I'd even be bothered if it DIDN'T do it while it was off. However, I did start a crapload of installs last week, turned the thing off, came back, and had notifications for all of them that they were installed overnight, while the console was off.
 
your console isn't off if it's downloading updates. it's in standby mode. just stating that there is a difference, because i turn mine off.
 
I like the old days.
Step 1: rip open box
Step 2: plug into tv and power outlet
Step 3: Power on to instant title screen of whatever game you put in it.
Step 4: Power off is instant off.
 
HeXen said:
I like the old days.
Step 1: rip open box
Step 2: plug into tv and power outlet
Step 3: Power on to instant title screen of whatever game you put in it.
Step 4: Power off is instant off.
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Yeah, I miss not being able to play with friends in other houses, cities, and states. I loved being isolated from the world and playing at 480p in tiny worlds behind loading screens galore.
 
Lil Frier said:
Yeah, I miss not being able to play with friends in other houses, cities, and states. I loved being isolated from the world and playing at 480p in tiny worlds behind loading screens galore.
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Lol wut.

It looks like the Brazil clans that used to flood the leaderboards are gone. #19 in America!!! wooo!!!!
 
OverVolt said:
Lol wut.

It looks like the Brazil clans that used to flood the leaderboards are gone. #19 in America!!! wooo!!!!
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Not sure what you're referring to. I was just saying that his rose-tinted view of nostalgic times is such a tired argument. Things used to "just work," except when they didn't, which meant they were broken forever, because they couldn't deliver patches to the old consoles when a game-breaking bug occurred.
 
Lil Frier said:
Not sure what you're referring to. I was just saying that his rose-tinted view of nostalgic times is such a tired argument. Things used to "just work," except when they didn't, which meant they were broken forever, because they couldn't deliver patches to the old consoles when a game-breaking bug occurred.
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People today cry about "game breaking" bugs to include things that affect ONLY offline single player games aka: they want to nerf someone else who has nothing to do with them who may be enjoying a certain side effect of a certain bug. This is just ridiculous QQ over nothing.

You'll never nerf my FF III 1.0 vanish/x-zone.
 
exdeath said:
People today cry about "game breaking" bugs to include things that affect ONLY offline single player games aka: they want to nerf someone else who has nothing to do with them who may be enjoying a certain side effect of a certain bug. This is just ridiculous QQ over nothing.

You'll never nerf my FF III 1.0 vanish/x-zone.
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Wat? People wanting to fix a bug that may be "you can't progress further into the game" is ridiculous? OK then...

Games are WAY more complex than they were 20 years ago...and game testing is often very VERY hard to do.
 
Getting real tired of the constant updates and downloads and shit. Miss the days of when a game was finished when you bought it and you just plugged everything in and it worked.
 
Sonikku said:
Getting real tired of the constant updates and downloads and shit. Miss the days of when a game was finished when you bought it and you just plugged everything in and it worked.
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Those days are gone. AAA games cost an order of magnitude (or maybe two orders) more now than they did 10-15 years ago. They're more complex in terms of code paths and such, and they're harder to test. About the only thing I can say is that at least we only have two abstraction APIs around these days on PC (DX, OGL/Vulkan) - Glide went the way of the dodo, for example.
 
I own both a PS4 and Xbox One and I enjoy both. I use my PS4 mainly for multi platform games since they are usually better on the PS4 and Xbox One for exclusives. I love Forza and Sony has nothing comparable on the PS4 yet.

That said I still hate the Xbox One UI. It's too cluttered for my tastes. Just give me the damn games up front, I shouldn't have to dig for another game I want to play.
 
OverVolt said:
No it unnecessarily flashes "low battery" alerts when the controller is running off USB power. I have regular alkaline batteries in there. Its bad programming/design. Its rough around the edges.

I laugh everytime.
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You know it always communicates with wireless anyway even when plugged in right?

As for your original post...4 hours. Big deal. Go do something while it updates, come back install a game and go do something else. I hope you never build a computer because 4 hours is really a drop in the bucket to get things how you want them setup. You have no patience.


My only complaint with the consoles is the OS. They could be more customizable for the user.
 
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cmdrdredd said:
You know it always communicates with wireless anyway even when plugged in right?
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When it's wired, it's wired - that was one of the big things about the XB1 I thought - you could get rid of any extra latency by plugging in.

From MS directly:
Your Xbox One Wireless Controller can be connected to your Xbox One console without having batteries or a battery pack by using your charge cable. When the charge cable is attached, the wireless controller converts to a wired controller.
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https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/connect-charge-cable-to-controller
 
Was it the PS4 controller then that never stops communicating through wireless on the console? I guess it was because now that I think about it, this is why there was an 8minute timeout on arcade sticks used on the system. They don't have bluetooth communications so there had to be adapters and pad hacks done.

Anyway it's not a big deal to me for it to show the battery state when you aren't using batteries.
 
RampantAndroid said:
Those days are gone. AAA games cost an order of magnitude (or maybe two orders) more now than they did 10-15 years ago. They're more complex in terms of code paths and such, and they're harder to test. About the only thing I can say is that at least we only have two abstraction APIs around these days on PC (DX, OGL/Vulkan) - Glide went the way of the dodo, for example.
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There's some truth in that. But there was also a time when PC games were buggy as all hell when their home console ports were not. On PC you could ship endless patches so titles were and are shipped before they're complete. "Ship now, patch later" the mentality was. On consoles you only had one chance to get it right. But not any more.
 
Sonikku said:
There's some truth in that. But there was also a time when PC games were buggy as all hell when their home console ports were not. On PC you could ship endless patches so titles were and are shipped before they're complete. "Ship now, patch later" the mentality was. On consoles you only had one chance to get it right. But not any more.
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...and then there's Arkham Knight.
 
zerocool84 said:
I own both a PS4 and Xbox One and I enjoy both. I use my PS4 mainly for multi platform games since they are usually better on the PS4 and Xbox One for exclusives. I love Forza and Sony has nothing comparable on the PS4 yet.

That said I still hate the Xbox One UI. It's too cluttered for my tastes. Just give me the damn games up front, I shouldn't have to dig for another game I want to play.
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Very much this.

The One UI almost seems to resent the fact that I want to play a game.

"Oh. You want to play one of those games?! Ugh. Hold on a sec..."
 
I almost got the FOrza 6 Edition console. I still kind of want it. But in the end I think I am going to hold off. The next Xbox console will be a powerhouse, no doubt about that Microsoft for sure learned their lesson. That's the one I'm gonna get Xbox Two or whatever.
 
futurefields said:
I almost got the FOrza 6 Edition console. I still kind of want it. But in the end I think I am going to hold off. The next Xbox console will be a powerhouse, no doubt about that Microsoft for sure learned their lesson. That's the one I'm gonna get Xbox Two or whatever.
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The only lesson learned (and the only one I think they needed to learn) was to not suffer from foot in mouth syndrome. The whole no lending games to friends, selling used games and so on - they just alienated everyone and now are working to win people back.

The only hope for the new XBox or PS4 to be a "powerhouse" is going to be 4K's success driving more powerful consoles.
 
To hell with resolutions. I don't care if it's 4K, 1080p would be just fine. I greatly prefer that they improve enemy AI in games and give us more diversity in content. To use a couple of recent examples, The Divisionis a really cool game, but the AI seems extremely dumb. Halo 5 is fun at its core, but the multiplayer maps are in Arena too small and the AI in Warzone is way too static and stupid.
 
Lil Frier said:
To hell with resolutions. I don't care if it's 4K, 1080p would be just fine. I greatly prefer that they improve enemy AI in games and give us more diversity in content. To use a couple of recent examples, The Divisionis a really cool game, but the AI seems extremely dumb. Halo 5 is fun at its core, but the multiplayer maps are in Arena too small and the AI in Warzone is way too static and stupid.
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There is a lot of fidelity to be had at 1080p. Higher polygon counts, higher resolution textures, and greater use of AA can help tremendously. You don't need 4k resolution to have a better looking game. This is why I am always shocked when someone is happy to turn a game's effects down to medium to run it at 4k on a PC. I mean, you're lowering draw distances, making textures more blurry, introducing more pop in, making character models have less detail, lowering shadow detail, decreasing foliage density all because you want a higher resolution. The resolution isn't going to make up for core graphics assets being lower quality. It's not the same as live action video where 4k resolution can be much more detailed and sharper by default.
 
The thing I hate the most about my Xbox One is the mandatory installs. In the effort to make it "streamlined" you really have no idea what's going on when you pop in a disc - you just get a vague "Installing". It should give you a verbose status ("Copying data from disc. Downloading updates. Installing updates") with the read or download speed listed as well.

Games on disc should run from the disc. Or give me the option to install it, or even just use the disc to load/verify the license and download the entire thing from the internet.
 
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