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?Reelect Gore in 2004?
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Not every vote was counted in the now famous Florida counties or in any other state or county in the country. Many, spelled thousands, of absentee ballots were not counted. For whatever reason be it mail problems or other. There are votes that go uncounted in every state.
Besides, we have the genius of the Electoral College in the US. Bush got more votes. Get over it!
SoylentGreen
Diamond Member
ultimatebob
Lifer
"Genius of the Electoral College"?!? Are you nuts?!? ANY election system that causes the person with the majority of votes to lose is a system that is fundmentally flawed.
Sure, the outcome might have ended up in your favor, but that is NO reason to praise an outdated and unfair system of counting votes. In most democraticly elected countries, the guy with the most votes wins the election, and that is how it should work here as well.
WinkOsmosis
Banned
Funny how the argument of republicans is always "get over it". I guess that's all you have when you know your candidate lost.
It doesn't matter if Dubya is intelligent or not. What does matter is if he's good enough to pick intelligent people to run the various Government administrations.
I think many people mistake intelligence with being able to speak properly in public. Sure, Dubya has had a few blunders when publically speaking. However, Bill Clinton was a very capable speaker --- capable enough of speaking lies to the American public to the point that most citizens believed what he was saying. Personally, I'd rather have someone who wasn't so polished with their public speaking abilities. People in this position have little to hide. Most great public speakers that I've watched, heard, whatever, have perfected their speaking for a reason --- they don't want anyone to question their true message or agenda and by having the words roll easily off of one's tongue, prevents a lot of questions from being raised.
You really are ignorant in this area and need to do a little reading. Is the current electoral college perfect? No I think it needs a few changes but just going by popular vote is INSANE. It would mean california, texas and new york would decide for the entire country(I don't think that the other 47 states would like that). Just because you have a highly populated state doesn't mean that you should be able to decide for the rest of the country. It basically helps every one have an equal vote instead of some pocket of highly dense population make a decision for the rest of the country.
As already stated....in a state like South Carolina that ALWAYS go republican for the President they don't count all the votes once it is seen who will win regardless so your popular vote count doesn't even matter because there are PLENTY of votes in many states that were never counted for Bush.
ultimatebob
Lifer
So, in other words, you like the electoral college, because it essentially makes the votes from highly populated states like New York and California worth less than states like Montana and North Dakota? I'd imagine that most New Yorkers like myself would resent that.
That is why we live in representative republic and not a pure democracy. The equal representation you speak of would be mob rule for the rest of the country. New York is free to run their state as they please, but they are not free in controlling the legislation that covers the other 49.
We all know, of course, that a consortium of newspapers recounted the Florida ballots and added them up in various ways. They then announced that Bush won according to most of those counts. What they buried was one important count. If you took all on the legal ballots cast in Florida and counted them exactly as marked, Gore won. Gore got the majority of legal votes in Florida. The Supreme Coup selected the looser.
That said, I really don't thing all the haranguing about Bush being a moron is really fair. Yes, he can't talk and his thoughts or self talk are doubtless as screwed up as his speech. And yes he has degrees from prestigious universities, the work to complete for which there isn't the slightest chance he did himself. But a party is under an obligation to run a candidate that can garner support among it members.
There isn't the slightest chance the modern Republican party could run a candidate who isn't a moron and win.
Democrats have to get over it.
That said, I really don't thing all the haranguing about Bush being a moron is really fair. Yes, he can't talk and his thoughts or self talk are doubtless as screwed up as his speech. And yes he has degrees from prestigious universities, the work to complete for which there isn't the slightest chance he did himself. But a party is under an obligation to run a candidate that can garner support among it members.
There isn't the slightest chance the modern Republican party could run a candidate who isn't a moron and win.
Democrats have to get over it.
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