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Recommendations on a sports bike?

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Truth be told, riding made "driving" exciting again. Like someone said in another post, it's great having the performance of a high end car in a small highly maneuverable package. My commute isn't that long but it's much more interesting that in a car. Case in point, I was stupid and left my bike in Accessories mode overnight, killed my battery, and ended up having to drive my Civic to work. IT SUCKED!!!! All that torque, power, and acceleration was gone.

First thing I did was take the MSF course and it was great. Instructor was very helpful and I managed to pick things up right away. Everyone talking about counter-steering and not having to turn the handlebars to steer was mind-boggling at first until I got on the bike and realized that it was just like riding a bicycle only I don't have to peddle. The maneuvers MSF teaches you are useful and they do a good job at teaching you to always be vigilant.

Good luck picking out your bike. That first real ride is like nothing else.
 
While I won't argue with the overall sentiments being expressed, I can tell you that equating "1mm of twist on throttle" with 3k+ RPM increase is a gross exaggeration. Factory for the gsx-r600 there are 2-4mm of slack before the throttle even starts to grab power, and good luck reaching WOT from the default position of your hand. You have to either shift and bunch your grip, or start with your wrist and forearm straight up and literally grab a hand full of throttle. A common mod is to replace the throttle grip in order to shorten its travel and improve its response.

Well, I was speaking about being on the freeway when you're already going 80mph and are at 9k RPM which is where the powerband for this bike is.
 
Truth be told, riding made "driving" exciting again. Like someone said in another post, it's great having the performance of a high end car in a small highly maneuverable package. My commute isn't that long but it's much more interesting that in a car. Case in point, I was stupid and left my bike in Accessories mode overnight, killed my battery, and ended up having to drive my Civic to work. IT SUCKED!!!! All that torque, power, and acceleration was gone.

First thing I did was take the MSF course and it was great. Instructor was very helpful and I managed to pick things up right away. Everyone talking about counter-steering and not having to turn the handlebars to steer was mind-boggling at first until I got on the bike and realized that it was just like riding a bicycle only I don't have to peddle. The maneuvers MSF teaches you are useful and they do a good job at teaching you to always be vigilant.

Good luck picking out your bike. That first real ride is like nothing else.
That was me! The cars are an s2000 and Evo and both are just as fun as any bike. The S of course being closer to the same feeling when the top is down.
 
Exhausts are passé. I want my bike to sound like a tie fighter aka Brammo Enertia TTR or the recently unveiled Empulse RR. Google them and you'll know what's up. But for a commuter bike you can buy this one now for $5700k after incentives:

Brammo Enertia:
http://vimeo.com/9500762

If you must have a gas guzzler (albeit a light one) then a Nin250R are hella awesome. But I'm a fan of low liter, high revving motors where you have to keep the RPM's high to make power. But that's also why I have a 2.2L NA and 2.0 Turbo cars.

White gets me every time:

I have no idea what you're on about but here's a nice white bike for you and a hell of a lot better than that Ninja 250 you posted.
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I'm going to have to go demo one of these sometime soon. I've ridden a few Ducatis so I'm kind of itching to see what their sport bikes are like.
 
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I like that bike, but I'm a newbie rider so I respectfully decline your offer 😀 I thought the OP was too which was why I suggested the 250R.
 
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I like that bike, but I'm a newbie rider so I respectfully decline your offer 😀 I thought the OP was too which was why I suggested the 250R.

Understood. I almost didn't post it because I didn't want to come off as though I was demeaning the Ninja or that I was somehow belittling anyone for purchasing one because that wasn't the intent...that Ducati is just too gorgeous not to post though. 🙂
 
Well, I was speaking about being on the freeway when you're already going 80mph and are at 9k RPM which is where the powerband for this bike is.

1mm of increase is never going to jump you up 3k RPMs. Especially on a 600. Have you ever ridden the bike in question? On the off chance you have, I gotta ask, why were you cruising down the freeway in 3rd gear?
 
Heres a few more questions. More so on the note of an actual purchase. I was offered 8 bikes by a friend of mines friends, who all have motorcycles and one owns a shop around the area that specializes in them, which is also where we met them. Now, I dont remember all the names, so bear with me 🙂

1st was a 05 Ninja 500 with 3000 miles for 3500.
2nd was another ninja 500, but this one an 02 or 03 with 1100 miles for 3500
3rd was a 06 6X-6R with 4100 miles for 4000
4th was a kawasaki bike, 01 or so. he told me the model, but i was stuck on the explanations of it more then anything. kept describing it as a sport touring more then a sport, said he'd gotten a high of 68mpg on it, 55-56 avg, at a 500 or 600 motor. cant remember the name for the life of me. told me it was his daily ride to work, 11000 miles for 2200. the guys the shop owner though, so wear isnt an issue as far as i could tell with the way the other guys nodded at him and seemed to look up to him as a whole.

the last 4 were on the absurd level for a new rider, and i knew it 🙂
I was offered an 07 vstrom 1000 with 1800 miles for 4500
second was a 06 or 07 if i remember right, gsx-r750 with 4k miles, for 5k
the last 2 i dont remember, but both ran 1000cc or so for motor sizes and priced around the 7k mark. out of my range by a mile.

the guys he introduced me to were all nice guys, all seemed to have a clue what they were talking about (and that they were dealing with a clueless person). they never lied about their preferences vs what they were selling (as someone else usually had a preference to what they were selling) and always knew, off the top of their heads, every little thing theyd ever done to their bikes to make them faster and better. they also told me that they werent planning to sell these bikes (for most, it was their second bike, with the exception of the shop owner, who has 5 and has owned closer to 20) but they were willing since i was a friend of this guy. they knew he'd be helping me learn the ins and outs of repairing it myself and the whole 9 yards, so they felt comfortable with parting with them in that case alone. many of them used it as their second bike if they didnt have the other in working order for daily use.

They all bluntly told me the mistakes they made when buying their first bikes and how they felt about the larger engines for a new rider. the last 4 bikes they all said were a hugely bad idea for me at this point. they all agreed that the vstrom might not be the best bike for my first time out if i plan to own a true sports bike later down the line, but that it is comfortable as a whole. most agreed that id like any of the first 4, 2 were stuck on the 6x-6r (one was the friend who brought me there and happens to own one), another 2 stuck to the kawasaki whos name i cant remember, saying the mileage would be great for the long drive to work every day and it was decent enough to enjoy driving it fast. many of the guys suggested buying one of the ninjas as they all enjoy them as a solid first time ride. a couple of the others said id be better off on different bikes (1 said 250 ninja, 2 others mentioned the sv650 suzuki, 1 mentioned something else i cant remember, but it rated at 250 i think). the 250 guys all agreed i should get a 250 for learning and sell it in a few months, then get a 500 or so, use it for a month or 2 before starting the new job, so i can get a feel for it. then from there, keep it for daily use, and buy a second bike down the line for just plain fun.

I also didnt realize how much the protective gear costs 🙂 I knew it was expensive, but some of the stuff they mentioned, price wise, was a bit more then anticipated. at the same time, i sort of knew i was lowballing the numbers for that when i told the wife 😀 unfortunately for me, she was there at the shop and could not only hear the prices from their mouthes, but see them on the wall. whoops 🙂

opinions?
 
No such thing as a "6X-6R" as far as I know.

There is a ZX-6R, which is a 600cc race bike that has been very lightly modified to make it street legal. It's not a good first bike. It's quite popular because it's a cheap supersport, but it's definitely not a beginner machine.

Last ZX-6R I saw was being picked up off the pavement by a wrecking crew after the driver missed a corner by my house and launched himself off the road and into the woodlot behind the goat pen. He did not survive.

If you've got a few years' experience and want something that can double as a track bike, the ZX-6R is a great choice, but it's horrible for a new rider. I strongly recommend against it. Go for one of the Ninja 500s instead.

ZV
 
Honestly for commuting, I don't know if you can beat the vstrom... the one offered was a 1000, but it shouldn't be hard to find a 650. It won't be the "ideal" bike to learn on, but it's no supersport either. The biggest issue is if you don't feel comfortable/confident on one as they tend to run a bit large and can be intimidating at first. The nice thing about smaller bikes is if you can manhandle them you're less likely to be in for a drop.

And where do you live? Those sound like ridiculously good bike prices. 🙁
 
I did mean zx and not 6x. Was just waking up when I wrote it.

I'm in southern California ... so there's a lot to be had for good prices around here since most people here buy then sell when they can't commit to riding. These guys ate selling their second bikes mostly and they see it as it'd be to someone who's going to take care of it and commit to doing it so they're willing to go a bit lower then usual around here. At least that's what my friend told me. Back to work for me
 
I'm still baffled as why you want a sport bike for a commuter. Is there some reason for not buying a bike that would better suit your needs? It seems to me that you're walking into this blind, and are getting bad advice from people that haven't asked you the right questions.
 
....most people here buy then sell when they can't commit to riding.....

They sell because....

1. They get too many tickets
2. They scare the crap out of themselves riding a bike that is much too powerful for their skill level
3. They thought getting a bike would make them look cool and get girls, but found out a set of wheels doesn't equal "game"

Of course no one will ever admit these things. They will sell you a cock and bull story about not having the time to "commit" to riding.

If you want to be a true motorcyclist, then take a sane approach to learning the sport, and stop listening to bad advice the feeds your ego and desire to look "cool".
 
Cool isnt an issue. I'm married and dont need any game 🙂 I'm very committed to learning how to ride, as opposed to just believing it's nothing and I can just do it. The guys I'm talking to all generally agree that a large engine bike is bad, just as everyone mentioned here. I have no plans to go over a 650 (and even then, that'd only be on a V-Strom) and no more then 500 if I end up on a sports bike.

I also know they're all biased to sports bikes, as thats what they own and ride, or in a couple cases, own the majority of. I'm sure if I spoke to someone who owned more cruiser style bikes, they'd tell me the opposite of what these guys do. I take it all with a grain of salt really as everyone has a preference, and that is generally what I'm talked to about.

In the case of wanting a sports bike vs a touring/cruiser style bike, its more a preference of style then anything. It's more pleasing to my eye then the cruiser style. Beyond that, I'm trying to figure in both the "want to enjoy" factor and the "need a better way to work" factor. I want to go out and actually learn to ride the bike to the best of my ability while still being able to ride it to and from work in a sane manner.

We'll see what it comes to when I get the money together. Like i said, none of them plan to sell, but they are willing to sell to a friend of a friend. So if i go with one of their bikes, time isnt a huge worry at this point.

Thanks again,
--pyr0
 
Both of these people are offering spectacularly bad advice if you're a novice rider. They are both effectively recommending race bikes that have been minimally modified to pass DOT requirements for street bikes. These bikes have unforgiving handling a far more power than a novice rider can effectively control.

If you're dead set on a sportbike and refuse a Ninja 250, then you need to look at the Ninja 500. Stay far away from any of the 4-cylinder bikes and don't look at any sportbike over 500cc.

ZV

Completely agree. An F4i is "last year's" supersport and still handles the same, while the "little" SV/Ninja 650 don't have the high RPM horsepower that the stereotypical sportbikes have but the low RPM torque is even more of a shock. Go with something even smaller, Ninja 250, Ninja 500, and Suzuki GS500 are my top recommendations.

And FYI, my old '00 Ninja 500 that I learned on (cost me a whopping $1800) could out-accelerate (up to 60 at least) most Porsche 911's...I wanna say it was around 3.5 seconds to 60. There really are no "slow" motorcycles.
 
Cool isnt an issue. I'm married and dont need any game 🙂 I'm very committed to learning how to ride, as opposed to just believing it's nothing and I can just do it. The guys I'm talking to all generally agree that a large engine bike is bad, just as everyone mentioned here. I have no plans to go over a 650 (and even then, that'd only be on a V-Strom) and no more then 500 if I end up on a sports bike.

I also know they're all biased to sports bikes, as thats what they own and ride, or in a couple cases, own the majority of. I'm sure if I spoke to someone who owned more cruiser style bikes, they'd tell me the opposite of what these guys do. I take it all with a grain of salt really as everyone has a preference, and that is generally what I'm talked to about.

In the case of wanting a sports bike vs a touring/cruiser style bike, its more a preference of style then anything. It's more pleasing to my eye then the cruiser style. Beyond that, I'm trying to figure in both the "want to enjoy" factor and the "need a better way to work" factor. I want to go out and actually learn to ride the bike to the best of my ability while still being able to ride it to and from work in a sane manner.

We'll see what it comes to when I get the money together. Like i said, none of them plan to sell, but they are willing to sell to a friend of a friend. So if i go with one of their bikes, time isnt a huge worry at this point.

Thanks again,
--pyr0

Not bashing you at all but 95% of people believe they can "handle" a sportbike as a starting ride and they can't. Do yourself a favor, start small, build skills, upgrade. If you start on something < 500cc's as you said you're already taking a step in the right direction. :thumbsup: Good luck!
 
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