Recommendations for 5.1/7.1 surround sound system

PascalT

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I was looking at the Klipsch ProMedia 5.1 system but there's so many people complaining about their sets dying that I stayed away from it.

Logitech Z5500 seem good and cheap and with good inputs.. but is the sound great? I heard it's alright.

I don't really know of any other option.. could someone enlighten me? The Creative Gigasound series, any good?

I plan on watching a lot of music and movies on it, and possibly game with my ps2. My budget is up to 500 bucks.

thanks for any info.
 

DaveSimmons

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Onkyo home theater in a box sets are very good at the $300-500 level, and the receiver in the sets I've looked at has analog 6-channel input for connecting a PC for surround gaming.
 

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True. I do watch a ton of movies on my computer, and plan on using the system for my ps2 as well (on a 24"LCD), and the ps3 when it comes out. So my computer is sort of my entertainment hub. I listen to music all day on it and watch about 4 movies per week on it.

I plan on getting an HD tv later this year, so maybe it'd be more worth it to spend the money on a surround system for that.

Bit of a dilemna here :)

What's some of the best 2.1 sets? I have some Altec Lansing ACS45.1 right now, they're alright but very old (6-7 years) and I bet the newer ones are much better.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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How much to a pair of Paradigm Atoms run up there?

EDIT: or if you're basically music only, more options open up for a 2.0 / 2.1 system :p
(with option to add speakers to make a surround system later on)
 

PascalT

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dunno about Atoms, never seen em.

I'm torn really about 2.1 or 5.1. If I buy say some Logitech Z2300 for 2.1, I could add more speakers to it (up to 5.1?) later?

and if I buy a 5.1 pc set can i use it on my future TV? If so it might be a better choice..
 

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I have Logitech G5s and they're good, they sound a little better than my other speaker systems, nothing really that noticable, but it's loud, weren't horribly expenisive and the sub is really nice.
 

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I have the Creative Inspire T5400 5.1 and I paid around $59 at Sams club a year or so ago. I like it and its got a nice sub woofer for the price.
 

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Sorry, I PM-ed you instead of posting like I was going to :p (I'm so used to not posting now)

Atoms are about $199/pair in the US. They're made in Canada, so I'm not sure if you could get a deal up there.

With a set of computer speakers you're pretty screwed for adding more speakers. You could get another 2.1 set and make a "4.2" out of it, but getting a 5.1 system going from a start of 2.1 is going to be pretty tough and not worth it.

You can get a decent pair of "real" speakers and a 5.1/6.1/7.1 receiver going, then you can add to it as you go and end up with a nice surround set in the end (after investing more).

If you're going to try to use a computer speaker set with a TV, the Logitech sets offer more connectivity. They have a couple digital inputs that would allow you to hook up a DVD player and other digital sources.

If you have a lot of different sources though, you can't beat a receiver.

I guess another major question here is if you're looking to fill a whole room with sound or if you're just looking to get good sound at a single seating position.
 

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Originally posted by: Smartazz
I have Logitech G5s and they're good, they sound a little better than my other speaker systems, nothing really that noticable, but it's loud, weren't horribly expenisive and the sub is really nice.

:confused:
 

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A computer 2.1 speaker set is not upgradeable, its amp is only stereo.

You could get a regular home audio receiver, decent Pioneer and Onkyo receivers can be found under $250 US, then start with 2 bookshelf speakers and add the rest later.

Or the receiver and a 5.1 speaker setup, then replace the left and right front speakers when you can afford to for better music playback.

Going the receiver or home theater in a box route will let you move it to the HDTV when you get one.

Just be sure the receiver has 6-channel analog input, some of the cheapest receivers and receiver + speakers sets don't have this.
 

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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: Smartazz
I have Logitech G5s and they're good, they sound a little better than my other speaker systems, nothing really that noticable, but it's loud, weren't horribly expenisive and the sub is really nice.

:confused:


Yeah, uh, isn't the Logitech G5 a mouse?
 

PascalT

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thanks guys for the input, much appreciated.

From what Dave and Yoyo said it seems like the best route for me would be the receiver + 2/5.1 speakers to go with it. Since I ain't sure where I will use these down the road, or what kind of room I wanna fill with it, it's a pretty good option to cover all the bases.

What should I look for in a receiver? a lot of connection options? what kind of features? what kind of 2.1 set would you recommend to start out with? what kind of soundcard should I use? (X-Fi? Audigy? At first I will use this on my computer, and that is mainly used for music. I listen to music all day)

I am a bit of a newbie when it comes to audio stuff. All that digital/analog/coaxial/spdif stuff is confusing to me :) What do HDTVs need to have great sound? a digital or analog setup?
 

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I've switched from PC speakers to "real" speakers and I'm quite happy I did.

It's funny hearing about the "big" logitech and Klipsch subs now :)
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/YOyoYOhowsDAjello/SVS_vs_Log_z-560.JPG

Definately a lot more options if you don't limit yourself to computer speakers.

If your long term plan for this system is an evolution into a hometheater system, getting a surround sound receiver an 2.0 / 2.1 speakers going is going to offer you the best upgrade path.

This isn't the answer for everyone though. If you just want 5.1 now, you could get one of the nicer computer speaker sets or an entry level HTIB.

If your primary concern is music though, it seems to make sense to try to get the best speakers you can in your budget.

For soundcard, you can go really cheap. In fact, if the computer you're going to use has integrated digital out, you can just use that. This will work find for music and movies. Not to good for gaming though. If gaming is a concern to you, then you should look into the usual audigy / X-Fi suspects and get a receiver with a 5.1 (or higher) multichannel input.... OR.... you could get a card that does Dolby Digital Live / DTS Live and then get whatever modern receiver you want with digital inputs.

If you want to get a soundcard but don't care about games, then the Chaintech AV-710 is a nice card for digital out. About $25-$30 over here.

What should you look for? Generally something cheap ;)

It's going to make a much bigger difference what speakers you choose vs the receiver. Get a cheap Pioneer / Onkyo / etc.
You can get a decent receiver for around $200 US over here. I'm not sure exactly where you should look to get a good deal up there.

For connection options, your options are probably going to be pretty similar. For video opitons, if your display has several inputs, it's not really necessary to go through the receiver, so audio is going to be the main thing. Pretty much any modern receiver is going to have several digital inputs (optical or coaxial), so you should be set for most sources. The 5.1 multichannel input might cost you, as entry level receivers tend not to have that input.

Most sources you're going to be using with your HDTV are going to be digital. Pretty much anything "surround" is going to be a digital source.

For features, there aren't going to be a whole lot of differences at this pricerange either. I don't think there's a "must have" feature you should be looking for. There's auto-setup, auto-equalization, 2nd zone, HDMI inputs, etc., but you're not going to have a whole lot of options really... so don't worry about it.

If you just want to look around to get your feet wet, check out http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/

More info and opinions over there than you'll ever be able to read.

If you go receiver/speakers route, the most important decision is probably going to be your speakers. For any budget you name (even into hundreds of thousands of dollars), there are speaker options for you. Assuming you spend around $200 on a budget receiver, that would leave you ~$300 for speakers or speakers/sub. Depending on what you want to do, you could get a decent set of bookshelf speakers for that much, or get some entry level speakers and a sub. I thin you're going to have to figure out what your long term plans are before deciding what you want to do.

One common way to go would be to buy just a pair of bookshelf speakers and then add to it as you go. As in, get the best speakers you can afford for now and worry about adding things like a sub later. To get a final surround set going, you could add a sub, then a center channel, and then get new front speakers and move your originals to surround duty.

This can eat into your wallet pretty quickly. If you don't think you want to add to the system as you go, you might want to just get a HTIB system. You'll have 5.1 from the get go but you'll still be able to make changes later if you want to. Onkyo sets are nice since their receivers are a good starting point that you can keep in your system after you start upgrading. You might be the kind of guy that's totally happy with the original purchase too.

Ok, now I'm just rambling... sorry :p

EDIT: hey, might as well use it even though it's an unorganized, incomplete mess...
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=30&threadid=1810562&enterthread=y
 

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I would say creative labs.............. that makes me wonder... should i sell my creative labs 6.1 speakers....
 

PascalT

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You rock yoyo, thanks a lot for the info. gonna read up on it and let it simmer in the noggin while I sleep.. i'll post my thoughts here tomorrow :)

 

PascalT

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After thinking about this for a few days, I think the best way for me to go right now would be to get a really good 2.1 system and dedicate it to my computer only for music, and then later down the road invest in a good 5.1/7.1 system for my HDTV-to-be. Even if i built a surround system now, or start out with a 2/2.1 with a receiver, I would still need a system for my computer once I move it to my tv. :) Makes more sense this way and I can take my time to shop around!

Right now I am using onboard sound (7.1 Realtek I believe, on my DFI NF4). Would an SB Live! be a simple and good upgrade to it? Or should I invest in a better card?

thanks!

And yoyo i bookmarked your posts! :)
 

PascalT

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And for the 2.1 I was thinking of getting the Logitech Z2300. The Klipsch seem nice but are almost double the price in Canada (in some stores). I also like the Logitech's connection options. Would there be other options to those 2?
 

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The z-2300s don't have any special connections as far as inputs are concerned afaik. The z-680s / z-5500s / z-5450s have digital inputs on them, but I think the z-2300s are straight stereo analog input just like the Klipsch.

You might just want to try your integrated audio before investing more in a soundcard. If you're just doing music, the Chaintech AV710 is a good inexpensive card if you can find it.

On a small budget there aren't a whole lot of options other than computer speakers. I'm not sure on relative prices up their for competators.
 

PascalT

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Ah thanks for that info, thought they had a lot of connections as well.

I currently use a set of 7 years old Altec Lansing ACS45.1 speakers/sub. It's fairly good but I assume the much newer z-2300s would be a decent improvement in sound?

I'll check up on the chaintech :)
 

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Originally posted by: PascalT
Ah thanks for that info, thought they had a lot of connections as well.

I currently use a set of 7 years old Altec Lansing ACS45.1 speakers/sub. It's fairly good but I assume the much newer z-2300s would be a decent improvement in sound?

I'll check up on the chaintech :)

I'm not familiar with those Altecs. Do you know if any retailers near you have the Logitechs set up so you could do a demo?
 

PascalT

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Not sure I need to to be honest. It's pretty much these or the Klipsch it seems. :) I love that the Logitech has a headphone jack on the "remote", it's something i've been wanting for a long time (as small as it may be).

I'll look for a demo if I am in the surrounding of the audio store in the next few days ;) If I can find the Klipsch set around here i'd probably buy that. But at NCIX it's double the price of the Logitechs for some unknown reason..