Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Originally posted by: Sinsear
Originally posted by: gevorg
Why do countries think that they can give warnings and threats to US nowadays? First, its these turks with their denial of genocide, and now China with their Tibet issue? Who's next, Zimbabwe?
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If we were not fighting the global War on Islam, some of these countries would think twice before provoking us.
No really? First it was the war on Iraq, then it became the war on "Terrorism", now it's the war on Islam?? What's next? Am I to head to the nearest Ohio concentration camp for "Muslims Who Did Not Realize They Are At War With Their Own Country"?
To answer the OP, with people in power with no more wisdom than Sinsear has, no wonder no one fears the United States anymore...
I get your point, but you kinda wrote it wrong. First it was war on terror, THEN war in Iraq. The war on Islam was created by the
Muslims themselves.. Not our government.
Which pretty negates your next paragraph.
Alleged scriptural evidence for the existence of the alleged war is found in ahadith, one of the most popular ones that supposedly prophesizes a war against Islam "is the so-called Tradition of Thawban":
An early modern example of belief in the alleged war is the book Qadat al-gharb yaquluman: dammiru al-Islam, ubidu ahlahu (Western Leaders Are Saying: Destroy Islam, Annihilate All of Its People) written by Jalal `Alam and published in 1977. [4]
Evidence of the strength of the belief can be found in opinion polls that found as of late 2006/ early 2007, strong majorities -- at least 70% -- in the Muslim countries of Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan, and Indonesia, answering "yes" to the pollsters' question: do you believe the United States seeks to ?weaken and divide the Islamic world??,
Muslims who use this term generally point to the Crusades and European colonization of their lands as an example of an attempt to destroy the Muslim way of life. More recently, Western support for Israeli occupation of Jerusalem and the continued existance of the State of Israel has been criticized
Do you take me for an fool blackangst1?
From my point of view and relying on strictly historic facts, western powers haven't let anyone yet in the middle-east and other Muslim countries have peace since the end of the Crusades. Colonization and surgical divisions have brought on grave problems that we still suffer from till now over threre, not even in our modern time can Muslim nations feel peace with all the destruction that is happening in the ME due to western greed in land and power, do you truly expect a guy from over there to believe that the west is deeply concerned for his freedom and future meanwhile their own countries are headed towards economical and social disasters? Do you expect me to believe our government has doused itself from head to toe in debts and trouble just because they want to see a free Iraq? Of course the greed for oil and strategic land is at the heart of the problem. Now given the fact that most Muslims know this and have the energy to resist such campaings, it is in the best interest of western countries to defeat Islam over there so that no one stops in their path.
Here is a similar example, go back in history, take a look on how dirty the Crusades were. The Crusades were mainly fueled by the lust for strategic land that can bring on profits and influence. The church found a way to brainwash the ignorant Europeans of the dark ages about how Muslims restrict Christians from accessing their "Lord's" land and how it needs to be retrieved from these savages, and how they can buy their way into heaven and stuff like that. You see Islam(ideologically) wasn't the problem for the Church, the goal was purely to get the land and the power, however Muslims have it engraved in their beliefs to protect the second holiest place to them and the only way to get the land would be to eliminate them, so that's how it became a battle fueled by religious hatred. Well if there is something I can be proud of, is that Muslims and Arabs gave the Crusaders an ass kicking which effects lasted for a long time. They didn't defeat them because they were Christian, but because they were Crusaders, and proved themselves morally superior by electing to allow those who wish to flee back to do so.
I'll tell you something you have been foaming at the mouth to hear; I view the Iraq war the same way I view the Crusades.
The aim isn't religious, the oil and the land outweigh anything else that can be found in any holy book. However Muslims find themselves again standing in between western greeds and their safety and freedom, and that's why it's essential to eliminate Muslims to seize control of what is important. You would be delusional not to believe that in the current energy crisis the world is going through the world's third largest oil reserve bares no influence on the country that holds it.
Had Iraq been a Bhuddist, Hindu, Christian or Jewish nation, the situation would have been the same, the invading countries would have needed to focus on the destruction of the doctrine of faith that gives people psychological and national motivation to carry on resisting.
Then we move on the prophet Mohammad's PBUH
alleged hadith (statement from him), I personally cannot attest to the validity of this hadith. It requires research to determine such things, hadith in Islam is a science of it's own, there are scales of validity and truth measurement, which more or less give you an idea of how many people were there when it was said, who they were and who was that recorded... it's a whole different topic.
So since I am not very familiar with this one I treat it with high suspicion, however
for the sake of argument I will treat it as if it was a valid hadith:
In your link prophet Mohammad (PBUH) states the following
"The nations are about to flock against you [the Muslims] from every horizon, just as hungry people flock to a kettle. We said: O Messenger of God, will we be few on that day? He said: No, you will be many in number, but you will be scum, like the scum of a flash-flood, without any weight, since fear will be removed from the hearts of your enemies, and weakness (wahn) will be placed in your hearts. We said: O Messenger of God, what does the word wahn mean? He said: Love of this world, and fear of death"
I don't know about you man, but for something that has been predicted 1400+ years ago, that's a pretty damn accurate portrayal of what the current situation is like. Muslims are huge in numbers but they are rather useless in majority when it comes to down to earth action otherwise we wouldn't have countries like Israel eating up our land little by little. I don't see what's so outrageous about this. 1400 years ago and it still sounds more credible and accurate than anything Bush can say today with what is available to him.
So in conclusion, Muslims have been under attack from Christian / Western nations for hundreds of years, and that's supposed to be somehow in some mysterious way our fault? I lost you man, you have Sinsear chanting "War on Islam!" and you backing him, then turning around and pointing the finger at my people for getting attacked all the time, what kind of twisted logic is this?
I am proud to stand up and say what I believe in exactly with no fear, why don't you do the same and share your
real ideas with me?