Recent heat spike unlike anything in 11,000 years

dmcowen674

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3-7-2013

http://news.yahoo.com/recent-heat-spike-unlike-anything-11-000-years-191131579.html

Recent heat spike unlike anything in 11,000 years



A new study looking at 11,000 years of climate temperatures shows the world in the middle of a dramatic U-turn, lurching from near-record cooling to a heat spike.


Research released Thursday in the journal Science uses fossils of tiny marine organisms to reconstruct global temperatures back to the end of the last ice age. It shows how the globe for several thousands of years was cooling until an unprecedented reversal in the 20th century.


Scientists say it is further evidence that modern-day global warming isn't natural, but the result of rising carbon dioxide emissions that have rapidly grown since the Industrial Revolution began roughly 250 years ago.

"In 100 years, we've gone from the cold end of the spectrum to the warm end of the spectrum," Marcott said. "We've never seen something this rapid. Even in the ice age the global temperature never changed this quickly."

Marcott said the general downward trend of temperatures that reversed 100 years ago seemed to indicate the Earth was heading either toward another ice age or little ice age from about 1550 to 1850. Or it was continuing to cool naturally until greenhouse gases from the burning of fossil fuels changed everything.

"We have, through human emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases, indefinitely delayed the onset of the next ice age and are now heading into an unknown future where humans control the thermostat of the planet," said Katharine Hayhoe, an atmospheric scientist at Texas Tech University, responding in an email.
 

dmcowen674

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Meanwhile where I grew up on south shore of Long Island is currently underwater again as I type this.

This is not a Hurricane like Sandy.

Nor'Easters used to cause some beach erosion but never inundated the streets like they do now.

Once again my own personal observation when I was there two years ago for my 30th year re-union was that low tide is now the same as high tide was when I lived there 50 years ago.
 

WHAMPOM

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Bad News: Last time the Earth's CO2 level was as high as today the sea level was 250 ft higher then it is now.

Good News: Arkansas Sea Side Resorts will be a real bargain.
 

WHAMPOM

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In Other Good News: It is Maple sap season and the trees are producing. A month earlier then forty years ago and a shorter season. Much better the last year when temperatures soared from the thirties to the seventies in about a week.
 

cybrsage

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Well yes, the Earth is warmer than it has been since the glaciers started to melt across most of the planet. No kidding. However, it is still MUCH cooler than it has been for most of the life of the planet.
 

Paratus

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Well yes, the Earth is warmer than it has been since the glaciers started to melt across most of the planet. No kidding. However, it is still MUCH cooler than it has been for most of the life of the planet.

What's your point? We weren't around for most of the life of the planet. :confused:
 

Jaskalas

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Scientists Find an Abrupt Warm Jog After a Very Long Cooling - NewYork Times.

They estimate (page 1, column 3) that only 50% of the variance is preserved at 1,000-year periods. This amount of variance suppression is roughly what you would expect if the underlying annual temperature time series had been smoothed with a 400-year moving average. In essence, their reconstruction appears to tell us about past changes in climate with a resolution of about 400 years. That is more than adequate for gathering insights about millennial scale changes during the last 10,000 years, but it will completely obscure any rapid fluctuations having durations less than a few hundred years.
Scientifically, it can not show you modern climate.
 
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Yreka

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Bad News: Last time the Earth's CO2 level was as high as today the sea level was 250 ft higher then it is now.

Good News: Arkansas Sea Side Resorts will be a real bargain.

I think I would rather live underwater than Arkansas :p
 

OverVolt

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Recent spike in living like a king compared to 11,000 years ago also unlike anything seen before.
 

Doppel

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Once again my own personal observation when I was there two years ago for my 30th year re-union was that low tide is now the same as high tide was when I lived there 50 years ago.
And this is the problem with lay people who have no knowledge or respect of science at all still voting on policy. Your "personal observation", mcowned, is not a valid opinion; it is demonstrably wrong, and massively so. You were already told this in the other thread where you confused a hurricane storm swell with a change in sea levels but you don't care. You'll continue to tout your grossly incorrect view of sea levels, yet another topic you have obviously no knowledge about whatsoever. Proudly Ignorant is the term for you.
 

dmcowen674

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Blatent avoidance of the rules set forth to comply with clean air by these massive Corporations while making record profits:

3-8-2013

http://news.yahoo.com/mont-power-plant-sued-over-133403967.html

Mont. power plant sued over pollution controls



Environmental groups filed a federal lawsuit Wednesday against the owners of Montana's massive Colstrip coal-fired power plant, seeking to force the installation of more pollution controls at the decades-old facility.



The center's Anne Hedges said the penalties could total many millions of dollars for violations over 20 years.

Colstrip is the second-largest power plant west of the Mississippi River.

The first two units of Colstrip began operating in the mid-1970s, and two more units came online in 1984 and 1986.


The plant was grandfathered in under the Clean Air Act and was not required to comply with the tougher pollution control standards unless the plant's operator made upgrades modernizing it.


The industry had argued at the time that plants such as Colstrip would eventually be retired. But instead, Colstrip has been upgraded and expanded without the same pollution controls as newer plants, according to Hedges.

If the suit is successful, it would require Colstrip to apply for a new emissions permit and potentially install new pollution equipment to come into compliance.

The plant's owners are PPL Montana, Avista Corp., Puget Sound Energy, Portland General Electric Co., Northwestern Corp. and PacifiCorp.
 

HumblePie

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OMG! The climate of the Earth changes drastically over eons. Sometimes very quickly and sometimes very slowly. There have been periods of higher levels of CO2 in the air than anything we have today and much lower as well. How did those higher levels happen? Was it aliens?

Who cares, it must all be something humans are doing right now! I have no proof humans are making drastic changes to the climate, if there really is a drastic change overall, and the effects of any changes to the climate, but I KNOW from my guess that it must be true. We are killing the world by being humans! We must impress more self guilt on people so they can see how much harm they are doing. Think of the children!

Oh, to fix it, I'll need to collect 1.5 billion in taxes to umm... yah pay for this and that study. Yay, for more research that I can fudge numbers on to empirically prove humans are killing the earth. So I can get more than 1.5 billion next year and do things like order people around through guilty feelings and legislation to do what I want them to. I mean think of the children!!!


I hope you like the satire of this post.
 

Londo_Jowo

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3-7-2013

http://news.yahoo.com/recent-heat-spike-unlike-anything-11-000-years-191131579.html

Recent heat spike unlike anything in 11,000 years



A new study looking at 11,000 years of climate temperatures shows the world in the middle of a dramatic U-turn, lurching from near-record cooling to a heat spike.


Research released Thursday in the journal Science uses fossils of tiny marine organisms to reconstruct global temperatures back to the end of the last ice age. It shows how the globe for several thousands of years was cooling until an unprecedented reversal in the 20th century.


Scientists say it is further evidence that modern-day global warming isn't natural, but the result of rising carbon dioxide emissions that have rapidly grown since the Industrial Revolution began roughly 250 years ago.

"In 100 years, we've gone from the cold end of the spectrum to the warm end of the spectrum," Marcott said. "We've never seen something this rapid. Even in the ice age the global temperature never changed this quickly."

Marcott said the general downward trend of temperatures that reversed 100 years ago seemed to indicate the Earth was heading either toward another ice age or little ice age from about 1550 to 1850. Or it was continuing to cool naturally until greenhouse gases from the burning of fossil fuels changed everything.

"We have, through human emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases, indefinitely delayed the onset of the next ice age and are now heading into an unknown future where humans control the thermostat of the planet," said Katharine Hayhoe, an atmospheric scientist at Texas Tech University, responding in an email.

Why did you cut this section out when you quoted the article?

The reason the globe warmed after the ice age and then started cooling about 6,000 years ago has to do with the tilt of the Earth and its distance from the sun, said Marcott and Severinghaus. Distance and angle in the summer matter because of heat absorption and reflection and ground cover.

How do we know that this isn't part of the current climate change?
 

HumblePie

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Why did you cut this section out when you quoted the article?



How do we know that this isn't part of the current climate change?

Climate change fear mongers love to gloss over the fact that the angle of the Earth in relation to the Sun can cause far more climate changes than anything we humans could do. The Earth itself could cause far more as well. One super massive volcano spewing it's load would cause a massive winter and ice age for a very long time.

I actually had that conversation with someone who was convinced humans were the only and sole influence upon the climate of this world. That our CO2 output was the only reason for global warming. He had zero knowledge that the Earth actually wobbles quite a bit around the sun in its orbit. Fucking moron.
 

sm625

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We have to have a carbon tax. We need that carbon tax money to slosh around on wall street so they can make derivatives from it and lever it 100:1 and and cause a huge bubble and make 100 people extremely rich. (At the expense of everyone paying the tax.) Isnt it so frickin obvious we need this tax? Every damn thing we think and feel is programmed into our pop culture and used to condition us into doing exactly what our owners want. Well they want that frickin tax. So just get it overwith already. Pay your frickin carbon tax into Too Big To Fail Bank #3, bend over and take it now. What is another 2%, you're already being raped for 68% anyway. Dont worry, they will build a couple windmills with all that tax money.
 
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raildogg

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Just wait and see how this world becomes "modern." Lets see how many cars are made and bought in China, India, Africa, Latin America etc. Lets see how much pollution is generated by these places. After all, they want to be like the West don't they? Yup, this is modernism at its finest.

We will eventually destroy the natural beauty of this world and be satisfied with our technologies and gadgets. I see it every day. They are tearing down trees, acre by acre, to build these lovely homes. I can only wonder what is happening in the "developing" world. How much of their lands they are destroying. How much less land is available to the animals of this world. But then again, we don't care as long as we're doing OK in our lives.

Why? Because man wants to pursue his success at the expense of everything.
 

dainthomas

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3-7-2013

http://news.yahoo.com/recent-heat-spike-unlike-anything-11-000-years-191131579.html

Recent heat spike unlike anything in 11,000 years



A new study looking at 11,000 years of climate temperatures shows the world in the middle of a dramatic U-turn, lurching from near-record cooling to a heat spike.


Research released Thursday in the journal Science uses fossils of tiny marine organisms to reconstruct global temperatures back to the end of the last ice age. It shows how the globe for several thousands of years was cooling until an unprecedented reversal in the 20th century.


Scientists say it is further evidence that modern-day global warming isn't natural, but the result of rising carbon dioxide emissions that have rapidly grown since the Industrial Revolution began roughly 250 years ago.

"In 100 years, we've gone from the cold end of the spectrum to the warm end of the spectrum," Marcott said. "We've never seen something this rapid. Even in the ice age the global temperature never changed this quickly."

Marcott said the general downward trend of temperatures that reversed 100 years ago seemed to indicate the Earth was heading either toward another ice age or little ice age from about 1550 to 1850. Or it was continuing to cool naturally until greenhouse gases from the burning of fossil fuels changed everything.

"We have, through human emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases, indefinitely delayed the onset of the next ice age and are now heading into an unknown future where humans control the thermostat of the planet," said Katharine Hayhoe, an atmospheric scientist at Texas Tech University, responding in an email.

Every warm spell in human history has been a boon for our species. Every cold spell has been marked by famine and death.
 

Doppel

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Just wait and see how this world becomes "modern." Lets see how many cars are made and bought in China, India, Africa, Latin America etc. Lets see how much pollution is generated by these places. After all, they want to be like the West don't they? Yup, this is modernism at its finest.

We will eventually destroy the natural beauty of this world and be satisfied with our technologies and gadgets. I see it every day. They are tearing down trees, acre by acre, to build these lovely homes. I can only wonder what is happening in the "developing" world. How much of their lands they are destroying. How much less land is available to the animals of this world. But then again, we don't care as long as we're doing OK in our lives.

Why? Because man wants to pursue his success at the expense of everything.
Agent Smith said human kind is a virus and he's right.