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Recall Republican Wisconsin Governor Walker status update thread

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Did you read what you typed? That's ridiculous! !

How is the public suffering more and more becusse of unions?

How are we being slaves?

When the unions 'negotiate' these insane benefits (pensions, medical, retiring at age 50, etc) which are far better than what most private sector employees get at their jobs, who do you think pays for it?

Especially when the municipality's budget cannot fund the pension plans the unions wanted? This issue alone will be a major headache for many towns. Several have already declared bankruptcy because of this and many more aren't too far away...
 
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Owning myself? Hardly! LMAO You right wing shills kill me.

It asks for an ID big fucking deal...if I was going to list Right wing hypocrisy there wouldn't be enough fucking bandwidth on the internet to accomplish feat but if you want a preview of ULTIMATE hypocrisy checkout this link.....

http://mediamatters.org/search/tag/fox_news_channel

Why don't you just man up and admit you were wrong when you were said you were linking a page to the Recall effort sign up page and instead linked a page to received the petition form.

It will make you look less foolish than you already do...
 
Koch owned Walker scammed and sucker punched a whole lot of his constituents, many of whom voted for him, by ramming through his previously unmentioned anti-union surprize package legislation blitzkrieg-style and they are pissed about it and want to get rid of him for doing it.

Why is it that so many in this thread simply ignore this fact in defense of Walker's actions?

I can't see a single wrong thing about those Wisconsinites that Walker flim-flammed wanting to get back at him for being so disingenuous and conniving.

I applaud them for standing up for their principles and using their rights and the laws afforded them to make their voices heard...and counted.

It is ignored because it is irrelevant. He's the governor and he isn't only allowed to do what he campaigned on is he?
I don't see a problem with the leftists trying to recall walker but it's nothing more than the typical whining when they lost. They happened to latch onto something that leftists in Wisconsin care about to try to mask their whining about losing. Here's a hint - just because you lost doesn't mean you should cost the state millions with the recall. Next election you have a chance to change things. But meh - typical leftists - throwing a tantrum to try to get their way. Good luck. Seems Walker will have a +2 if the recall election happens as I should be living there by the time it happens. 😀
 
It is ignored because it is irrelevant. He's the governor and he isn't only allowed to do what he campaigned on is he?
I don't see a problem with the leftists trying to recall walker but it's nothing more than the typical whining when they lost. They happened to latch onto something that leftists in Wisconsin care about to try to mask their whining about losing. Here's a hint - just because you lost doesn't mean you should cost the state millions with the recall. Next election you have a chance to change things. But meh - typical leftists - throwing a tantrum to try to get their way. Good luck. Seems Walker will have a +2 if the recall election happens as I should be living there by the time it happens. 😀

Irrelevant to you, sure. But for those hundreds of thousands of Wisconsinites that Walker tricked into voting for him, they see his kind of backstabbing as very relevant to their sensibilities.

I certainly agree with you that Walker is allowed to do more than he campaigned on. However, for the huge impact of what he did to those that he bamboozled and especially so for the way he did it, he should have campaigned on being so vociferously anti-union but he chose to hide that fact to get elected. He used deception to win.

Had he campaigned on being so anti-union as the policies he pushed AFTER getting elected indicate, he very well may have lost his bid.

In this sense it is very relevant. Arriving at an after-the-fact opinion that his style of political treachery is irrelevant simply because he won the governorship is conveniently dismissive of the way he won it. To many Wisconsinites, Walker and the Koch brothers needed to learn that the kind of sleight-of-hand politicking they won the election with is not welcome there.
 
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Irrelevant to you, sure. But for those hundreds of thousands of Wisconsinites that Walker tricked into voting for him, they see his kind of backstabbing as very relevant to their sensibilities.

I certainly agree with you that Walker is allowed to do more than he campaigned on. However, for the huge impact of what he did to those that he bamboozled and especially so for the way he did it, he should have campaigned on being so vociferously anti-union but he chose to hide that fact to get elected.

Had he campaigned on being so anti-union as the policies he pushed AFTER getting elected indicate, he very well may have lost his bid.

In this sense it is very relevant. Of course, arriving at an after-the-fact opinion that his style of political treachery is irrelevant simply because he won the governorship is conveniently dismissive of the way he won it. To many Wisconsinites, Walker and the Koch brothers needed to learn that the kind of sleight-of-hand politicking they won the election with is not welcome there.

"tricked"? Hardly. It's not "backstabbing" either. Other states have been doing similar things so it's not like it's something out of the blue.
This recall is nothing more than sour grapes and whining about loosing the election. It's a convenient excuse to use the union thing for the recall. Policy initiatives shouldn't trigger recalls - abuse or corruption in office maybe but Walker is a Republican and kind of Conservative so anyone who whines about this union issue is either ignorant or just whining.
 
"tricked"? Hardly. It's not "backstabbing" either. Other states have been doing similar things so it's not like it's something out of the blue.
This recall is nothing more than sour grapes and whining about loosing the election. It's a convenient excuse to use the union thing for the recall. Policy initiatives shouldn't trigger recalls - abuse or corruption in office maybe but Walker is a Republican and kind of Conservative so anyone who whines about this union issue is either ignorant or just whining.
Yes, that's the standard right-wing attack on those who want to recall Walker. There's one problem with it, however, as documented earlier in this thread. The majority of Wisconsin's residents not only disapprove of Walker's performance, but disapprove enough that they favor the recall. This means it's not just "sour grapes" by Democrats, but that a great portion of Walker's former Republican supporters have turned against him as well.
 
Irrelevant to you, sure. But for those hundreds of thousands of Wisconsinites that Walker tricked into voting for him, they see his kind of backstabbing as very relevant to their sensibilities.

I certainly agree with you that Walker is allowed to do more than he campaigned on. However, for the huge impact of what he did to those that he bamboozled and especially so for the way he did it, he should have campaigned on being so vociferously anti-union but he chose to hide that fact to get elected.

Had he campaigned on being so anti-union as the policies he pushed AFTER getting elected indicate, he very well may have lost his bid.

In this sense it is very relevant. Of course, arriving at an after-the-fact opinion that his style of political treachery is irrelevant simply because he won the governorship is conveniently dismissive of the way he won it. To many Wisconsinites, Walker and the Koch brothers needed to learn that the kind of sleight-of-hand politicking they won the election with is not welcome there.

"tricked"? Hardly. It's not "backstabbing" either. Other states have been doing similar things so it's not like it's something out of the blue.
This recall is nothing more than sour grapes and whining about loosing the election. It's a convenient excuse to use the union thing for the recall. Policy initiatives shouldn't trigger recalls - abuse or corruption in office maybe but Walker is a Republican and kind of Conservative so anyone who whines about this union issue is either ignorant or just whining.
 
This recall is nothing more than sour grapes and whining about loosing the election.

It's a convenient excuse to use the union thing for the recall.

Wow, beautiful , caught in a lie

You just said earlier it had nothing to do with the "union thing" for the recall.

How do you sleep at night?
 
Yes, after a 54 page thread, I have to conclude its all about an internet election in Wisconsin to recall Ausm.

Governor Scott Walker has nothing to do with this thread at all.

And when it comes time to present all the petition votes come 1/17/2012, all Wisconsin peasants armed with rakes, pitchforks, and torches will then be finally free to chase Ausm out of the State of Wisconsin.

And then everyone in Wisconsin will live happily ever after.

Sorry for the heavy handed sarcasm, but only two days left before the recall petitions raw numbers hit the light of day.
 
Yes, that's the standard right-wing attack on those who want to recall Walker. There's one problem with it, however, as documented earlier in this thread. The majority of Wisconsin's residents not only disapprove of Walker's performance, but disapprove enough that they favor the recall. This means it's not just "sour grapes" by Democrats, but that a great portion of Walker's former Republican supporters have turned against him as well.

It doesn't matter other than no shit the left in Wisconsin doesn't like Walker - they never have, but they threw a tantrum got some media and bingo - there is a recall effort. No surprise here. So for you to dismiss the spark(the whining) as a "standard right-wing attack" means you are willfully blind to how things went down. The people didn't disapprove of Walker - THEY JUST ELECTED HIM. sheesh.

"a great portion" :roll; yeah, if you say so.
 
Since Sir Cad decided to revive the nutter deflection that this recall effort is just a bunch of sour grapes by Democrats, I thought I'd post this again. The last time I did he just ran away from the facts presented, refusing to address even one of them. We'll see how he does this time.

Note that this poll is a couple of months old now. I don't know how opinions may have shifted in the interim. Enjoy:
Found this while looking for the source of FNE's unattributed smears. (They appear to have come from Breitbart, something I'm sure will surprise nobody.)
As Wisconsin Governor's Poll Numbers Tank, GOP Moves to 'Rig' Recall
Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker’s support has collapsed, according to a new poll that shows that 58 percent of voters favor recalling the Republican whose anti-labor initiatives provoked the mass demonstrations that anticipated the Occupy Wall Street movement.

According to a new St. Norbert College/Wisconsin Public Radio survey of Wisconsin voters, only 38 percent of voters now support retaining Walker as governor. That represents a ten-point drop in support for the governor since last spring, when it was presumed that he had bottomed out. In fact, they have continued to decline, with significant movement of previously undecided voters into the anti-Walker camp. Thirty-seven percent of Wisconsinites now “strongly disapprove” of Walker’s governorship, while 21 percent merely disapprove. Among the most engaged (and presumably likely) voters, the figure rises to a remarkable 61 percent overall disapproval number for the governor. Significantly, while attitudes toward President Obama and the state’s Republican senator, Ron Johnson, have remained relatively steady, Walker’s numbers have tanked. That’s a serious problem for the governor, as it suggests that voters are crossing partisan and even ideological lines to oppose him.
[ ... ]

The Republican-led Joint Committee for Review of Administrative Rules has ordered the state’s Government Accountability Board—an independent agency that oversees elections in Wisconsin—to submit decisions regarding key voting-rights issues to a formal rule-making process that gives Governor Walker and Republican legislative leaders the ability to reject rule changes made by the GAB.

Critics warn that this gives Walker the power to dictate how the GAB runs elections—including a new election that would be scheduled if opponents of the governor succeed in filing 540,000 valid signatures on recall petitions. That’s because, under an executive order the governor recently issued, he now has the authority to veto newly created administrative rules—if they are formally promulgated. The decision by the Joint Committee for Review of Administrative Rules, which was made in a party-line vote Tuesday, requires the formalizing of the rules in a manner that gives the final say to the governor, as opposed to the independent board that is supposed to set election rules and oversee voting.
[ ... ]

The governor and his backers have been fiercely critical of the recall drive and they have taken dramatic steps to avert it:

1. The Republican co-chair of the legislative Joint Finance Committee has proposed to amend the state constitution to severely restrict circumstances in which recall elections can be sought.

2. A Republican state senator who is closed allied with the governor sought to tighten requirements for notarizing recall petitions in a way that would have made it much harder for citizens to circulate and certify petitions.

3. Americans for Prosperity, a group funded by billionaire conservative donors David and Charles Koch, began airing pro-Walker television ads in the weeks before the recall campaign’s November 15 launch.

4. The governor’s campaign committee this week launched a $300,000 advertising campaign to defend his policies—especially the attack on collective-bargaining rights that inspired mass demonstrations last February and March.

5. The Republican Party of Wisconsin has launched a so-called “Recall Integrity Center,” which seems to encourage intimidation of Wisconsinites gathering recall petition signatures.
[ ... ]

But Walker was not always opposed to recall elections, and he did not always want to control and constrain them.

Walker was elected Milwaukee County Executive in a 2002 recall election.
In 2010, when he was running for governor, he hailed the process as democracy in action.

“You know the folks that were angry about this started a recall and they were told they needed to collect 73,000 signatures in sixty days,” said Walker. “Well, not hundreds, not thousands, but tens of thousands of ordinary people did an extraordinary thing. They stood up and took their government back. In less than thirty days they collected more than 150,000 signatures. It was at that moment I realized the real emotion on display in my county wasn’t just about anger. You see, if it had been about anger, it would have been about people checking out and moving out or giving up. But instead what happened was really amazing. You saw people standing up shoulder to shoulder, neighbor to neighbor and saying we want our government back. And in doing so the real emotion on display was about hope. Today I see a lot of the same emotions on display here in Wisconsin and all across our great country. Obviously, there are a lot of reasons to be angry.”

Once again, not hundreds, not thousands but tens of thousands of ordinary people are doing an extraordinary thing in Wisconsin. They are standing up and trying to take their government back.

It’s just that, now, Governor Walker appears to be trying to make it harder for others to do launch the sort of movement—and wage the sort of election fight—that he once celebrated.
Full article at the link. Cliiffs:
  • Walker is not popular in Wisconsin. 58% favor recall.
  • Republicans are trying to rig the recall to circumvent the will of the people of Wisconsin.
  • Koch brothers are dumping money into Wisconsin to prop up Walker.
  • Walker was for it before he was against it.
Sounds like business as usual for today's RNC.

The first point is the one that refutes Cad's latest dissembling. When 58% of Wisconsin voters want to recall the governor elected months earlier, it should be obvious to anyone with at least two working neurons that many of his former supporters are now rejecting him. This means it's not just unhappy Democrats, but a lot of unhappy Republicans as well. I realize this doesn't fit the RNC talking point, but facts rarely do.
 
The deadline for the signatures is today. Expect an announcement sometime soon. There is somewhere between 700,000 and 800,000 signatures currently.
 
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You can always believe anything you read in "the Nation" and who can doubt a poll from Wisconsin public radio?

If it wasn't for the recall effort the Packers would have won.
 
Since Sir Cad decided to revive the nutter deflection that this recall effort is just a bunch of sour grapes by Democrats, I thought I'd post this again. The last time I did he just ran away from the facts presented, refusing to address even one of them. We'll see how he does this time.

Note that this poll is a couple of months old now. I don't know how opinions may have shifted in the interim. Enjoy:


The first point is the one that refutes Cad's latest dissembling. When 58% of Wisconsin voters want to recall the governor elected months earlier, it should be obvious to anyone with at least two working neurons that many of his former supporters are now rejecting him. This means it's not just unhappy Democrats, but a lot of unhappy Republicans as well. I realize this doesn't fit the RNC talking point, but facts rarely do.

CAD OH CAD....where are you? Stupid conservative troll went into hiding again
 
You can always believe anything you read in "the Nation" and who can doubt a poll from Wisconsin public radio?

If it wasn't for the recall effort the Packers would have won.
If you have some basis for challenging the poll's methodology, let's hear it. Here's a hint though. Some of the other partisan hacks tried this earlier in the thread and fell flat on their faces. Here's another hint for you. The fact that you don't like something doesn't make it wrong.
 
If you have some basis for challenging the poll's methodology, let's hear it. Here's a hint though. Some of the other partisan hacks tried this earlier in the thread and fell flat on their faces. Here's another hint for you. The fact that you don't like something doesn't make it wrong.

The fact that you like something doesn't make it right.
 
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