Recall Republican Wisconsin Governor Walker status update thread

[soundforbjt]

I have been plenty wrong before. But I have the common sense to not make proclamations within a thread where my previous proclamations were proven very very very wrong.

I am really surprised by democrats complaining about money being spent by candidates to retain their seats given how much the leader of the democrat party spent to earn his seat in 2008. And how much he will spend this year to retain it.

It's not so much about how much is spent as it's not knowing where and who it's coming from.

 

[Genx87]

I did, Since Walker has been campaigning since Christmas and outspent the dems 8-1, it was a no-brainer. To see it that close was not a great mandate for Walker given how much advantage he had.

That is great. I wasnt directing that post at you. It is also nice to see democrats taking their defeat with grace.

 

[Genx87]

It's not so much about how much is spent as it's not knowing where and who it's coming from.

Then why do I keep seeing people repeat 8:1 so much? What does it matter where it came from?

 

[Genx87]

Very wrong ? Maybe in your mind. I have the right to my opinion and you have a right to yours. I don't give a flying fuck if you agree with mine.

Have a nice day Repuglicant....

Of course you were very wrong. You basically guranteed he would be recalled. He won with a convincing majority. In politics that is being very wrong.

 

[JD50]

Well waiting.......If you are going to make a sweeping douchebag statement like that you really should have the fucking balls to back it up.

Come on man pony up the examples...

I agree with him. You come of as incredibly arrogant, among other things.


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[EagleKeeper]

I did, Since Walker has been campaigning since Christmas and outspent the dems 8-1, it was a no-brainer. To see it that close was not a great mandate for Walker given how much advantage he had.

The Dems have been campaigning since the original election. Sour grapes.
The recall effort was intensified when their temper tantrum antics would not work.

All this sounds like is another excuse for the Democratic/Union failures to understand that the bank account will no longer be allowed to be overdrawn.

 

[soundforbjt]

Then why do I keep seeing people repeat 8:1 so much? What does it matter where it came from?

Wouldn't you like to know who is buying our government? What if it's foreign interests?

 

[*kjm]

I cant wait to see TearNmyBeers posts in Nov when we take back the Senate

 

[EagleKeeper]

Very wrong ? Maybe in your mind. I have the right to my opinion and you have a right to yours. I don't give a flying fuck if you agree with mine.

Have a nice day Repuglicant....

And that very attitude is why some will rub your infamous predictions in your face.

In the whole thread you were claiming that you way was the proper way to go and the Wisconsin would eliminate the trouble and go back to the good old days.

You could have stated in once; not 100's of times. Poll after poll; Article after article written by union people.

Never understanding that the people elected Walker to do a job - change the system. Not to be a lapdog.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The Koch bros and Turd Blossum's CPAC outspent Barrett 8 to 1.

It was the Dems that forced the issue by sour grapes.

Think of all the money that the Dems caused to be spent in the state. all the extra media work.

More was probably spent than was wasted by the government for the election
They should be proud of their efforts to improve the economy.

 

[eBauer]

Well waiting.......If you are going to make a sweeping douchebag statement like that you really should have the fucking balls to back it up.

Come on man pony up the examples...

I also I agree that you come off as a very arrogant person Ausm.

 

[squirrel dog]

Sweeeeeeeeet .

 

[Genx87]

Wouldn't you like to know who is buying our government? What if it's foreign interests?

Is there something stopping us from finding this information? This is really a duversion from the amusing position democrats are suddenly worried about the amount of money spent in an election in this country. They were very silent in 08 on this issue just like I expect them to be silent in November.

 

[*kjm]

All this sounds like is another excuse for the Democratic/Union failures to understand that the bank account will no longer be allowed to be overdrawn.

Oh they get it.... and they now have a smaller account.
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/147493395.html

A 30Mil dollor a year overcharge

 

[IndyColtsFan]

And that very attitude is why some will rub your infamous predictions in your face.

In the whole thread you were claiming that you way was the proper way to go and the Wisconsin would eliminate the trouble and go back to the good old days.

You could have stated in once; not 100's of times. Poll after poll; Article after article written by union people.

Never understanding that the people elected Walker to do a job - change the system. Not to be a lapdog.

This.

It was the Dems that forced the issue by sour grapes.

Think of all the money that the Dems caused to be spent in the state. all the extra media work.

More was probably spent than was wasted by the government for the election
They should be proud of their efforts to improve the economy.

And this.

 

[soundforbjt]

Is there something stopping us from finding this information? This is really a duversion from the amusing position democrats are suddenly worried about the amount of money spent in an election in this country. They were very silent in 08 on this issue just like I expect them to be silent in November.

Yes there is, Repubs and the SCOTUS.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by Ausm
Well waiting.......If you are going to make a sweeping douchebag statement like that you really should have the fucking balls to back it up.

Come on man pony up the examples...

I also I agree that you come off as a very arrogant person Ausm.

Well here are two Wisconites as on on-line example, imagine living in a apartment complex or subdivision surrounded by Republican America haters.

No wonder my wife's family are bailing out of there in a heartbeat.

They are moving to another red state (other family members already there) but they feel it won't be as bad as they have been experiencing in Wisconsin especially the last year.

 

[fskimospy]

Is there something stopping us from finding this information? This is really a duversion from the amusing position democrats are suddenly worried about the amount of money spent in an election in this country. They were very silent in 08 on this issue just like I expect them to be silent in November.

Yeah actually there is something stopping us from finding this information, which anyone should see is a pretty huge problem. After Citizens United and recent FEC decisions, groups are able to contribute unlimited amounts of money anonymously to 'unaffiliated' groups that act as little more than arms of campaigns. It's pretty horrible.

In all fairness Democrats have long attempted to enact campaign finance reform, it is pretty vehemently opposed by the Republican Party. Just because Obama did well under those rules does not change the fact that the Democrats have repeatedly attempted to halt this sort of behavior.

 

[jpeyton]

Congratulations to the Koch brothers & Citizens United, Elections are now clearly available to the highest bidder.

This isn't a new development. It's also the reason why Obama will demolish Romney in the fall, and why he steamrolled McCain 4 years ago. Obama is a fundraising powerhouse.

 

[xBiffx]

imagine living in a apartment complex or subdivision surrounded by Republican America haters.

Don't tempt me. I wish I could get neighbors half this good. That'll be the day.

 

[BoberFett]

I don't want to know what your sucking on besides the Gubermint teat.

How do you afford CS on food stamps?

Do you have Downs Syndrome? I truly want to know.


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[werepossum]

Well according to Politifact Wisconsin has created all of 5,900 jobs in the year since Walker has taken office, leaving him with approximately 244,100 left to create to meet his campaign pledge. According to the BLS, that was the slowest rate of creation in the US for 2011. Are you disputing this?

EDIT: Here's the Politifact article. http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/promises/walk-o-meter/promise/526/create-250000-new-jobs/ Although I'm not the biggest fan of Politifact, they are just referencing BLS statistics here.

Wisconsin's unemployment has been dropping because its labor force is shrinking, not because jobs have been created. This is not generally considered a good thing. Do you consider it a good thing?

Depends. If it's Wisconsin's 6.7% unemployment, obviously it's Wisconsinites (Wisconsinoids?) fleeing the concentrated evil that is Scott Walker. If it's the nation's 8.2% obviously it's Obama overcoming the Bush economy and single-handedly saving the world, if not the universem in spite of the Republicans using the dark side of the Force against him on a daily basis. Kind of like how Wisconsin can have more jobs but Walker has created almost none whereas the US can have fewer jobs but Obama has created millions.

He'll need to, to combat the superpacs Romney will have at his disposal.

At least before, you knew who was providing the money. Now it could even be a foreign interest.

<cough> Clinton <cough> Indonesia <cough> China <cough> wall between CIA and FBI stops investigations cold <cough> sequential money orders <cough> Buddhist monks <cough> etc.

He will easily outspend Romney. I expect you to be on here complaining about him outspending Romney X:1 after he wins in November. Dont be a hypocrite.

I dunno. That's the conventional wisdom and I've certainly paid lip service to it, but Obama's fund raising is supposedly way behind schedule. Obviously Hollywood is even more strongly behind him than ever, as are gays, but the megacorps and Wall Street types may well be wondering how many proggie indulgences they really want to buy. Especially if Romney offers the promise of lower taxes with no strings. I wouldn't be greatly surprised if Romney + anti-Obama PACs out-raises Obama + anti-Romney packs.

 

[PokerGuy]

In all fairness Democrats have long attempted to enact campaign finance reform, it is pretty vehemently opposed by the Republican Party..

Coming up with new rules that are clearly designed to choke off funding for the other side while maintaining your own advantages is not to be considered an attempt at campaign finance reform.

In the end obummer is going to have much more money than Romney, plus the immeasurable benefit of 90% of the media being firmly in his hip pocket. I don't think the libs have any room to whine about money in politics.

 

[Lemon law]

Now that Walkers has retained his job, maybe its time to admit the people have spoken.
Meaning Walker policies will be retained for the foreseeable future as Wisconsin will pursue new public policies of governance.

But will these new ways to govern be wise or stupid in the long term? That verdict may not be apparent for for a decade or so. Our public policies are now very similar to the 1920's, and to be maybe fair to Hoover who was better than hos GOP predecessors, poor Hoover was the fellow left holding the bad when the bottom dropped out of the economy.

 

[fskimospy]

Depends. If it's Wisconsin's 6.7% unemployment, obviously it's Wisconsinites (Wisconsinoids?) fleeing the concentrated evil that is Scott Walker. If it's the nation's 8.2% obviously it's Obama overcoming the Bush economy and single-handedly saving the world, if not the universem in spite of the Republicans using the dark side of the Force against him on a daily basis. Kind of like how Wisconsin can have more jobs but Walker has created almost none whereas the US can have fewer jobs but Obama has created millions.

Wait, what? I don't think these figures are under dispute? Wisconsin's labor force has shrank over the last few years. The state has gained very few jobs. That is why despite almost no employment growth, Wisconsin's unemployment rate has fallen. Are you disputing those figures? If so, why? If you are not disputing them, then the answer is that Wisconsin DOESN'T have more jobs. (well, a trifling number more) Walker has almost entirely failed in that respect.

There is another way to look at it though.

I personally think there is a very good case for the first year of an executive's policies not being held against him as his policies haven't taken effect yet. In that case, Walker looks somewhat better (although still quite short of his goals). Be careful if you do that though, because once you discount the huge job losses in the beginning of 2009, Obama has seen millions of jobs created on his watch.

If you think that an executive is responsible for jobs from the moment he takes office, Scott Walker has been a miserable failure in job creation. If you think it takes some time for him to become responsible then you will see a modest improvement in Walker's numbers but then you have to admit that Obama has been a huge success at job creation. You can't have it both ways.