Well, how is it different that when people are on welfare, they are painted with the same brush. They also may have many varying causes of their need to be on public assistance, and it's not all because they are lazy. I don't like either stereotype, but when red state people talk about how the blue states all want to tax everyone and give it to people who don't deserve it, it's fun to come back and show them that, in general, the blue states tend to give more than they take and the red states take more than they give. Kind takes the impact of that argument away.
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Well, how is it different that when people are on welfare, they are painted with the same brush. They also may have many varying causes of their need to be on public assistance, and it's not all because they are lazy. I don't like either stereotype, but when red state people talk about how the blue states all want to tax everyone and give it to people who don't deserve it, it's fun to come back and show them that, in general, the blue states tend to give more than they take and the red states take more than they give. Kind takes the impact of that argument away.
cKGunslinger
Lifer
And on a side note, not meaning to steer too far OT, I must say that while the overall climate in P&N may have been relatively quiet for most of the week, there has been quite a bit of sincere and honest discussion in here today, with a real minimum of flames, trolls, etc.
Kudos to us. :thumbsup:
Kudos to us. :thumbsup:
ExpertNovice
Senior member
Just read this. ROFLMAO! I will be using this one. Thanks! 😀
cKGunslinger
Lifer
Stop forcing me to examine my own actions and statements! 😛
In truth, I rarely, if ever, think or pronounce all, or even most, welfare recipients to be undeserving due to laziness or fraud (althought that video of that wealthy rapper going to pick up his welfare check in his limo still irks me.)
I do, however, have issues with a system that rewards individuals for *not* trying. Unless welfare and public assistance programs begin to rigorously require recipients to make attempts to bring themselves out of poverty, they are not being beneficial. In regards to states, even the Federal government makes demands before handing over highway funds, etc. Increase your drinking ages, raise/lower speed limits, etc. It's give and take, rather than give and give.
What, you don't like the challenge?
I am all for reforming the 'welfare system'. I am all for having welfare recipients do manual labor, if they're capable, for governemental agencies to 'earn' their assistance. Or they can sweep the floors in governental buildings. I do think any program like this needs to balance the individuals needs, though.
But this is way off the topic of the Confederate Flag.
As far as the flag goes, my feeling is that there is a lot to be proud of if you are a southerner. But there has to be a better way to represent that pride than the symbol of a rebellion that cost the lives of more Americans than any war other than World War II, a war that nearly ended our country's chances at the future we have today. The US Civil War is not something to be proud of, and while I don't think that's what southerners are flying the flag for, you can't escape where that flag came from.
Like I said, there is much to be proud of in the south, both in history and today, but the Civil War is not one of those things. Why continue to draw attention to that dark chapter in our history when there are so much better things to focus on?
Like I said, there is much to be proud of in the south, both in history and today, but the Civil War is not one of those things. Why continue to draw attention to that dark chapter in our history when there are so much better things to focus on?
You are not just a member of a family or a region or a state. You are not just a nationality or a race. You are made of stars and if you let go of your small self, the universe will you become. You are the Alpha and Omega.
To die to the self is to become the ULTIMATE REBEL and everywhere you look you will see only men wrapping themselves in chains.
To die to the self is to become the ULTIMATE REBEL and everywhere you look you will see only men wrapping themselves in chains.
Stunt
Diamond Member
I am from the great white north and I see it as Hick...plain and simple.
Racism is not a southern thing, I'm from rural Canada and Racism is bad...not to the point of murder and beatings....but you can tell. Racism is all over and the rebel flag embodies that ideology.
Anyone who thinks otherwise can try to explain why some Canadians have it.
YES, I have seen it...put up or shut up.
Racism is not a southern thing, I'm from rural Canada and Racism is bad...not to the point of murder and beatings....but you can tell. Racism is all over and the rebel flag embodies that ideology.
Anyone who thinks otherwise can try to explain why some Canadians have it.
YES, I have seen it...put up or shut up.
0roo0roo
No Lifer
gah sick of the apologists. you know what? the swastika also stood for uniting a peoples and pride. gah.
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. [Applause.] This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind-from a defect in reasoning.
Confederate Vice-President Alexander Stephans, of Georgia--Savannah; Georgia, March 21, 1861
get over it. you lost the war. the mistake of letting southerners hold onto their "pride" for the sake of reconcilation still echos till this day....that and the horrible compromise we made when troops were pulled.
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. [Applause.] This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind-from a defect in reasoning.
Confederate Vice-President Alexander Stephans, of Georgia--Savannah; Georgia, March 21, 1861
get over it. you lost the war. the mistake of letting southerners hold onto their "pride" for the sake of reconcilation still echos till this day....that and the horrible compromise we made when troops were pulled.
rustynails
Banned
I heard that argument from the same jerk-offs who feel buring our flag is just fine. You're not a jerk-off; are you?
BTW - Its called the Southern Cross, not the rebel flag; unless you attend UNLV.
tommywishbone
Platinum Member
People! People! It's a piece of fabric with a silly design on it; like a T-shirt that says "Ask me about my explosive diarrhea" or "I saw Elvis working at Piggly Wiggly" (I really did by the way). I'm guessing some people took that 'pledge of allegiance thing' back in the 3rd grade a little too serious. Just my .02.
tommywishbone
Platinum Member
Is it the actual flag or what it stands for, that we're talking about? It's a piece of cloth. If the people that display said flag, whatever flag, begin to chain & beat their workers (Rebel Flag?) or kill jews (Nazi Flag?) or hijack ships and kill the crew (Pirate Flag?) then it might be an issue, but the displaying the flag itself.... who cares?
as a southerner and direct descendent of a confederate general, as well as a fan of the original dukes of hazzard, i'll hang onto the confederate flag. for me it is a piece of family history, it does symbolize southern pride, and i am free to display it should i desire. likewise, the people in each state have the freedom to vote as to whether or not to keep the confederate flag flying. for that matter, the people of a state are free to fly a swaztika if that's the way the majority votes, or a big smiling picture of jesus, or buddha eating an eclair, or bugs bunny, or whatever... good lord, if the federal govt cracks down and forbids a state from getting to choose their own flag, what powers do the states even hae left? plus, i don't want the "reverends" jesse jacskson or al sharpton telling me what's right and wrong. that's just silly, and i like to see those windbags huff and puff and pretend they're something close to martin luther king jr.
imported_Condor
Diamond Member
Odd that you can't recognize reality or history.
imported_Condor
Diamond Member
But weren't you for flag burning in an earlier thread? As expression, I mean.
imported_Condor
Diamond Member
And what flag flies over the state capitol in Trenton? Is that stars and stripes? No, it's a buff flag with an agricultural coat of arms. Wait, is there an American flag there too? Nope!
imported_Condor
Diamond Member
When the majority of the citizens of a state decide to change the flag, it should be changed - and for no other reason!
imported_Condor
Diamond Member
I take it you have lived in the south or traveled there? Perhaps you have studied the history, geography, and political systems of the south? Or are you just another fruit, flake and nut California hippie with an opinion?
imported_Condor
Diamond Member
Odd to agree with one of your posts! It has the ring of truth.
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