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Reasons why anyone should get married

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Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
because we are actually perfect together and wanted to make a binding commitment. Not really a difficult choice

you can't commit without making it a legal contract?
sure you can, but would it ever be enough? have you seen "he's just not that into you"? see how Jennifer Aniston acts about not being married even though she is completely happy?

how else would they get their $5,000 rock and lavish reception? how else would they get your fucking balls forever and be able to stop giving blowjobs and having regular amazing sex?

in short, how else would they get what they fucking want? marriage isn't about the guy, it's just about fulfilling the WANTS and desires of the woman. i'm sure if men had it their way, there would be a lot less people getting married. unfortunately when your girlfriend of 5 years starts to piss and moan about not being married, you are faced with a real ultimatum - make her happy (if you are like me, this is all you care about - making her happy - and it will get you NOWHERE in the end) or not.

guys: don't ever try to please a woman. if they can't find happiness on their own then they will never truly experience it with you. it takes two happy people on their own coming together on their own terms to make a successful relationship. the moment you are bending to her will (or his, for women), you're in for a shitstorm of epic proportions.

you should really talk to someone
 
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
So, with no benefits all I see are the possible risks which are huge. Lose my stuff, lose my income, lose my retirement, etc. The risk/reward ratio is all risk and little to no rewards.

And of course, the statement this makes to her is "Sorry, babe, I'm just afraid that it won't work out and you'll get all my stuff" 😛
 
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
How many people have "loved" one another without getting married?


OP I am very interested in this thread, as my gf and I have had this conversation many times. I am of the mindset that there is nothing marriage provides, that's beneficial to me, that I can't get without the legal aspects. You want a ceremony for me to pronounce my love for you in front of friends, family, and all witnesses? Okay, then lets have a ceremony. I'm fine with that, and will do it tomorrow provided there are no legal contracts.

As a male, I don't see any benefit for me in marriage. Yes there are some benefits in the realm of tax breaks (although you pay more due to combined incomes), legal ones like spousal benefits (if I get sick or for wills and such), easier to get a house when both names are on it (but you can do this without being married AFAIK), and can add them to medical insurance. For me though, 75% of that doesn't matter. The tax breaks I don't need right now as I get a refund (due to school). I don't need spousal benefits (to give them to somebody), because if I died or something my mother is the one who would take care of all that. I'd like to get a house, but I don't know if I want both our names on it. If *only* my name is on it, then it's less likely I'd lose it if we did ever get divorced (although as with everybody I'd expect not to). My medical insurance allows me to add "domestic partners" to my insurance, so I don't need to worry about that.

So, with no benefits all I see are the possible risks which are huge. Lose my stuff, lose my income, lose my retirement, etc. The risk/reward ratio is all risk and little to no rewards.

Depending on where you live though, if you are co-habitating in a relationship long enough you would still get screwed if you guys broke up anyways. What do you say in those situations?
 
Originally posted by: slsmnaz
you should really talk to someone
probably *shrug*

i've just been talking to friends and family. i'm @ work right now. i have a lot of friends here but they're all busy and i don't like bothering them about my problems.

i need an unbiased person to speak with, a counselor maybe.

my opinion on marriage is basically that if the two people know what they are getting into, that's fine. unfortunately my wife had no clue. she might have planned the whole wedding and reception and a million other details but emotionally she was fucking clueless as to what she was signing up for. clueless little girl with big dreams, marrying a project husband that she direly and desperately wanted to change from day one.
 
So you can stop hearing about "When are we getting married?" Also, like surgery, once you get it over with you can stop thinking about the wedding finally.
 
Originally posted by: actuarial
Depending on where you live though, if you are co-habitating in a relationship long enough you would still get screwed if you guys broke up anyways. What do you say in those situations?

I hear some people just move out for six months or whatever the law stipulates, then move back in 😛
 
:music: If you wanna be happy
For the rest of your life,
Never make a pretty woman your wife,
So from my personal point of view,
Get an ugly girl to marry you :music:
 
Originally posted by: meltdown75
reasons to get married

- you trust someone enough to sign a contract saying you will spend the rest of your life with them
And how many of those contracts are broken?

- you can't see yourself ever being with another person or ever finding someone better
As noble as this is, people change. Things change. Unfortunately that is the case. Marriage is meant to say "okay I understand people change, but I want to be with you to change with you. As great as that is, there are many times people change and not for the better.

- you love the crap out of the person and want to commit to them forever
So, I have to get married to make that commitment?

- financial stability, relationship stability, family stability
I don't know about anybody else, but I'm going to make sure I'm financially stable without anybody else to ensure my future.

Looking at the divorce rate, does marriage give stability to the relationship? In so far as the different guy/girl every night/week/month/few months, then yes. In so far as "forever", no it doesn't ensure that. This applies to family stability as well.

- desire to start a family
Marriage is not required for that. See above answer as well.

- desire to be a "team" forever - indestructible.
That's a great, noble idea and premise. Unfortunately, they can be destroyed.

- the need to have a "home base" in someone that you can always return to and they will never walk out on you or leave you. "stand by your (wo)man"
Yeah, they will never walk out on you or leave you. Right.

- always having someone there
Lets ask all the divorced people how well that worked out....


 
So when you are sick your wife can take care of you

EDIT: Actually that's what moms are for....hm. This is a tough one.
 
Originally posted by: meltdown75

my opinion on marriage is basically that if the two people know what they are getting into, that's fine. unfortunately my wife had no clue. she might have planned the whole wedding and reception and a million other details but emotionally she was fucking clueless as to what she was signing up for. clueless little girl with big dreams, marrying a project husband that she direly and desperately wanted to change from day one.

have you been watching my life? i know right where you're coming from.
 
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: meltdown75
reasons to get married

- you trust someone enough to sign a contract saying you will spend the rest of your life with them
And how many of those contracts are broken?

- you can't see yourself ever being with another person or ever finding someone better
As noble as this is, people change. Things change. Unfortunately that is the case. Marriage is meant to say "okay I understand people change, but I want to be with you to change with you. As great as that is, there are many times people change and not for the better.

- you love the crap out of the person and want to commit to them forever
So, I have to get married to make that commitment?

- financial stability, relationship stability, family stability
I don't know about anybody else, but I'm going to make sure I'm financially stable without anybody else to ensure my future.

Looking at the divorce rate, does marriage give stability to the relationship? In so far as the different guy/girl every night/week/month/few months, then yes. In so far as "forever", no it doesn't ensure that. This applies to family stability as well.

- desire to start a family
Marriage is not required for that. See above answer as well.

- desire to be a "team" forever - indestructible.
That's a great, noble idea and premise. Unfortunately, they can be destroyed.

- the need to have a "home base" in someone that you can always return to and they will never walk out on you or leave you. "stand by your (wo)man"
Yeah, they will never walk out on you or leave you. Right.

- always having someone there
Lets ask all the divorced people how well that worked out....
Did you read the rest of my post, you fucking twit? Are you really going to try to debate with me the reasons that I thought marriage was a good idea? Now I'm living and feeling that all those reasons were wrong. But you want to debate me and school me even more? I'm hoping it's just because you're on the internet that you are doing this.

I got fucking walked out on you prick. Marriage can lick my fucking balls. Don't try to debate with me all this bullshit when I'm going through this and have actual real-life experience that makes me despise marriage. Asshole. Read SonnyDaze's post, he won the thread. You can PM me if you wish to continue this discussion, I'm sure I'll get a vacation anyway for personal attacks so that's what I'll be limited to. Check your head you fucking douchebag. frick
 
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

- you love the crap out of the person and want to commit to them forever
So, I have to get married to make that commitment?
[/quote]
Is saying "I'll be with you forever" the same level of commitment as signing a legal document?
 
Umm, because every guy should have an ex-wife.

At least that was what I was told before my wedding. After all, being married is 100% the cause of all divorces.
 
I couldn't be happier being married. My wife is a godsend. Being able to spend your life with someone you really care about is very special.
 
Because I hate sex and the ring keeps the ladies from bugging me all the time.

okay okay the real reason is to raise a family. Hopefully a marriage can provide a stable environment for the children.
 
I got married because:

1. I love my wife more than anything else besides my two daughters.
2. We wanted to formalize our committment to one another.
3. We wanted to have structure for our then future-children.
4. We want to be together forever.

Does this mean it can't end? No. Does it mean that it will always be this way? I hope so, but I'm not naive. Does this mean we don't have periods where we're unsure, and contemplate other avenues? No, but we have been able to work through whatever issues we've had so far, and I'm hopeful for the future.

I didn't want to have kids without being married, and I really wanted to have children, as did my wife. Now that I have two of the most beautiful girls on the planet to go along wtih the deal, I can't imagine anything else.

It is hard to see friends who are going through painful divorces, friends who I know had some of the same ideas about marriage that I do. I don't think that the actual marriage contract would make a huge differenct in terms of the hurt ... if they were in a long-term committed relationship without the piece of paper it would be just as hard.
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
So, with no benefits all I see are the possible risks which are huge. Lose my stuff, lose my income, lose my retirement, etc. The risk/reward ratio is all risk and little to no rewards.

And of course, the statement this makes to her is "Sorry, babe, I'm just afraid that it won't work out and you'll get all my stuff" 😛

My current gf has said that to me.

When in reality it's simply, "If there are no benefits for me, but there is the huge risk to me of losing 1/2 my stuff and income and risking my future why should I get married?" I have yet to hear a single reason that will mitigate that risk for me. It's not that I *expect* to get divorced. I will only marry once in my lifetime (if at all), and if that doesn't work then that's it for me and marriage. Being a logical human being, I look at it through the eyes of a 3rd party going, "knowing what the current divorce rate is (about 1/3 of first time marriages get divorced from what I have seen/read), knowing what I stand to lose, and knowing that people change what are the benefits for me?" I don't see any personally right now.
 
Originally posted by: actuarial
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
How many people have "loved" one another without getting married?


OP I am very interested in this thread, as my gf and I have had this conversation many times. I am of the mindset that there is nothing marriage provides, that's beneficial to me, that I can't get without the legal aspects. You want a ceremony for me to pronounce my love for you in front of friends, family, and all witnesses? Okay, then lets have a ceremony. I'm fine with that, and will do it tomorrow provided there are no legal contracts.

As a male, I don't see any benefit for me in marriage. Yes there are some benefits in the realm of tax breaks (although you pay more due to combined incomes), legal ones like spousal benefits (if I get sick or for wills and such), easier to get a house when both names are on it (but you can do this without being married AFAIK), and can add them to medical insurance. For me though, 75% of that doesn't matter. The tax breaks I don't need right now as I get a refund (due to school). I don't need spousal benefits (to give them to somebody), because if I died or something my mother is the one who would take care of all that. I'd like to get a house, but I don't know if I want both our names on it. If *only* my name is on it, then it's less likely I'd lose it if we did ever get divorced (although as with everybody I'd expect not to). My medical insurance allows me to add "domestic partners" to my insurance, so I don't need to worry about that.

So, with no benefits all I see are the possible risks which are huge. Lose my stuff, lose my income, lose my retirement, etc. The risk/reward ratio is all risk and little to no rewards.

Depending on where you live though, if you are co-habitating in a relationship long enough you would still get screwed if you guys broke up anyways. What do you say in those situations?

If you don't know what the common-law marriage laws are in your state, and that happens to you then it's your own fault.

In my state (Ohio), there is no common law marriage currently. I don't believe common law marriage should be a law. Also, I believe Mosh is asking about marriages where the decision to get married is made and it's not due to common law.
 
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Did you read the rest of my post, you fucking twit? Are you really going to try to debate with me the reasons that I thought marriage was a good idea? Now I'm living and feeling that all those reasons were wrong. But you want to debate me and school me even more? I'm hoping it's just because you're on the internet that you are doing this.

I got fucking walked out on you prick. Marriage can lick my fucking balls. Don't try to debate with me all this bullshit when I'm going through this and have actual real-life experience that makes me despise marriage. Asshole. Read SonnyDaze's post, he won the thread. You can PM me if you wish to continue this discussion, I'm sure I'll get a vacation anyway for personal attacks so that's what I'll be limited to. Check your head you fucking douchebag. frick

Sorry if I came across as "attacking you" or something. I just was debating those points you made. I saw she walked out on you, and I'm sorry if I came accross as trying to "school you" on this because I wasn't.

I have heard all those reasons from many other people, and I was commenting on those reasons not trying to say "meltdown75 you're an idiot" or something like that. Your situation is exactly why I don't see a point to marriage.
 
You guys missed, if the girl has a real crappy name. Marriage gives a good excuse to change it.

Also, it's a cultural event in most societies. It must have worked well since most of the current ones have some sort of marriage tradition. Now though it seems things have changed enough that people are not finding it as an useful institution. In the far past, marriage wasn't just between the two people but also a way to link two clans/tribes/families. Also it provided a stable environment to raise a family, now I don't think that's the first priority for all people. That might just be nature's way to keep us in check since we're so heavily overpopulated, though it doesn't make sense that the countries that do well has less growth than the poor ones.
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

- you love the crap out of the person and want to commit to them forever
So, I have to get married to make that commitment?
Is saying "I'll be with you forever" the same level of commitment as signing a legal document?[/quote]

So by signing a legal document it shows "I'll be with you forever", but just saying it does not?
 
Originally posted by: meltdown75
reasons to get married

- you trust someone enough to sign a contract saying you will spend the rest of your life with them
- you can't see yourself ever being with another person or ever finding someone better
- you love the crap out of the person and want to commit to them forever
- financial stability, relationship stability, family stability
- desire to start a family
- desire to be a "team" forever - indestructible.
- the need to have a "home base" in someone that you can always return to and they will never walk out on you or leave you. "stand by your (wo)man"
- always having someone there

all that aside, I really love SonnyDaze's post, now that my wife has left me.

All those points are only 50% accurate since the divorce rate is about 50%.
Marraige is pointless endevour. People want to get married to "prove their love" If you have to prove your love, there is something wrong going on that is making you prove it.
My GF of 7 years knows my stance on marraige and was told very early that if she brought the subject up it would be the one and only time.
Marraige is like a tornado. It starts off with a lot of sucking and blowing but in the end you'll loose your house.

 
Originally posted by: JTsyo
You guys missed, if the girl has a real crappy name. Marriage gives a good excuse to change it.

Also, it's a cultural event in most societies. It must have worked well since most of the current ones have some sort of marriage tradition. Now though it seems things have changed enough that people are not finding it as an useful institution. In the far past, marriage wasn't just between the two people but also a way to link two clans/tribes/families. Also it provided a stable environment to raise a family, now I don't think that's the first priority for all people. That might just be nature's way to keep us in check since we're so heavily overpopulated, though it doesn't make sense that the countries that do well has less growth than the poor ones.

Many married couples have more than 2 children (i.e. to replace the parents when they die # wise). Hell, we even get reality TV shows about them (Jon and Kate+8).
 
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