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Ichinisan

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The only reason that the "Nintendo going 3rd-party" rumor appeared is because people familiar with the industry, but not particularly familiar with Nintendo, misinterpreted a press-release from Nintendo. The original press-release was intended to attract more third-oarty publishers to develop for the Nintendo Gamecube. Nintendo commented that no game is technically impossible to create for any of the three major consoles. The slight graphical advantage of the XBOX is not significant enough to justify an exclusive game. Nintendo just wanted more games on their own console, but nearly everyone thought Nintendo was opening their options to develop games for other consoles.
 

wyvrn

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Oh come now. People see the writing on the wall. Nintendo's sales are slipping. From the article:

The GameCube news prompted Nintendo to lower its financial outlook for the recently concluded fiscal year. The company now expects earnings of $550 million (66 billion yen) for the year, down from previous forecasts for $666 million in profit and from the $886 million it made a year ago.

Nintendo's expected earnings are down 40% from a year ago. It's obvious what has happened. To deny it is the mark of a true fanboy. And so what if MS loses money? They have $40 billion in operating cash. They could lose money on the Xbox for ten years and it wouldn't make any difference. MS is in the console market for the long term and they want the market share. In contrast, the article I posted above shows where Nintendo has already lost a significant percentage of their profits due to lagging console sales. People are drawing the same conclusion as they did with Sega, which is Nintendo has some killer titles and might go the software development route if their next gen box doesn't take back market share from MS and Sony. Sony is already a power franchise and MS is only going to continue to eat up market share. Nintendo desparately needs a hot new system release or they are in trouble in the home console market. Gameboy sales are only going to take them so far.

Originally posted by: Ichinisan
The only reason that the "Nintendo going 3rd-party" rumor appeared is because people familiar with the industry, but not particularly familiar with Nintendo, misinterpreted a press-release from Nintendo. The original press-release was intended to attract more third-oarty publishers to develop for the Nintendo Gamecube. Nintendo commented that no game is technically impossible to create for any of the three major consoles. The slight graphical advantage of the XBOX is not significant enough to justify an exclusive game. Nintendo just wanted more games on their own console, but nearly everyone thought Nintendo was opening their options to develop games for other consoles.

 

wyvrn

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See my post above. MS has $40 billion cash. MS doesn't care about profit right now, they want market share. That is the big picture. Hardware prices are dropping and they will figure a way to make their model profitable in a few years. They have the resources to wait, and better if they keep putting cutting edge systems out, Sony and Nintendo will lose profit percentage in order to keep up. Gamers are not so loyal as to buy inferior hardware when a better system comes along.

The benchmarks in the article are not strange at all. They point out that MS had very successful titles from the beginning, though trolls continue to argue otherwise. But you cannot ignore the numbers. Now whether that is titles driving hardware sales or hardware driving software sales is yet to be seen. But since MS just passed Nintendo on units sold, rather handily I might add, I don't think MS is going to have any problems staying in the console market for years and years to come.

Originally posted by: CZroe
Originally posted by: wyvrn
CZroe

If that is a parody post then it's not even moderately well done. Penny Arcade is about as funny as watching paint dry and as accurate as the Enquirer.

It's always relevant and it seems to be today. :)

As for my age, I am 28 and have accomplished quite a bit in my life. I happen to have a passion for gaming. If you do not, I suggest you click on threads which interest you and we will both be happy. I will not stoop to your level and make fun of any passion you might have :)
I realy don't understand. Made fun of a passion?! I was all over the 2600 and Colecovision back in the day too. :p I never brought up anything about your age either.

However, if you post was an attempt at a serious rebuttal, I found a couple of legitimate articles for you:

Nintendo drops aim for GameCube sales:

Nintendo has been locked in a contest with Microsoft to claim second place in the lucrative video game market, behind market leader Sony, whose PlayStation 2 console surpassed the 50 million-unit mark early this year.

Recent signs show Microsoft pulling ahead in the race, with the company saying it expects to have sold 9 million units of its Xbox console by the end of the company's fiscal year, June 30.

Several major third-party game publishers have said recently that they intend to scale back the number of GameCube titles they will offer, and major European retailers have said they may drop sales of the console.

The GameCube news prompted Nintendo to lower its financial outlook for the recently concluded fiscal year. The company now expects earnings of $550 million (66 billion yen) for the year, down from previous forecasts for $666 million in profit and from the $886 million it made a year ago.

So obviously the lack of console sales has made a huge impact on Nintendo's earnings and potential future in the console market. They will be smart to focus on licensing their exclusive titles and selling handhelds.

Key point: Nintendo made a profit. Ignored point: XBOX didn't. Point reiterated:
August 05, 2003 - Nintendo today reported a net profit of 11.45 billion yen (or $95 million) for the April-June period.
2nd or 3rd place makes no difference when profit is the bottom line. Why would a company exit the market because of THAT number?! :D

Xbox Hits Major Sales Milestones for Console and Games

Two independent research groups confirmed today that the Xbox (TM) video game system is on a roll. The NPD Group Inc. reported that Xbox posted a stunning sales increase of approximately 131 percent in the United States in the first two months following a $100 price cut in May. In addition, "Project Gotham Racing (TM) " from Microsoft® Games Studios and "Dead or Alive 3 (TM) " from Tecmo each have sold more than a million units worldwide. According to the International Development Group, this makes Xbox the first video game system ever to have three million-unit-selling launch titles after just eight months on the market.

What a strange benchmark for success.

The numbers put the system on track for another blockbuster holiday season, when gamers will be able to choose from more than 200 Xbox games. Since the day one launch of the console in November 2001, the award-winning lineup of software for Xbox has reached a number of key sales milestones. According to independent data from the NPD Group, the definitive source of sales and market data on the video game industry, Xbox has sold more than 10 million units of software in the first eight months the console has been on the market in the United States. That's the most software ever sold for a new video game system in the United States in the same period of time.

And I'm sure the fact that the majority of XBOXes were sold with 3 or more games (Many retailers ditch a crap game or two with a sale) has nothing to do with it! :D Perhaps it explains how such recorde-breaking software sales can still fail to turn a profit (Could Microsoft possibly have expected better?!)

Last week, Microsoft Corp. reported that 20 million units of Xbox games were sold worldwide in its past fiscal year.

Although all three major game console manufacturers announced price cuts in May, Xbox has had the largest percentage gains with sales having spiked approximately 131 percent in the United States in the two months since the price cut, according to NPD.

On the software side, two exclusive Xbox launch titles -- "Project Gotham Racing" from Microsoft Game Studios and "Dead or Alive 3" from Tecmo -- have topped the 1 million mark in worldwide sales. Earlier this year, another blockbuster Xbox launch title, "Halo (TM): Combat Evolved," also from Microsoft Game Studios, became the first million-unit seller for Xbox. According to the International Development Group, an independent market research firm that tracks worldwide video game sales, this would make Xbox the first console to ever achieve worldwide sales of more than 1 million units on three different launch titles in less than eight months on the market.

Once again... What a strange benchmark for success, but now I ask: What does the XBOX's success have to do with the Gamecube's graphical prowess anyway? I don't see how Microsoft's sales affects the graphical GC vs. PS2 issue :) As for Nintendo pulling out of the market, I've got a quote too

August 06, 2003 - As [Nintendo president Satoru Iwata] so eloquently said: the day we don't release a new console is the day we get out of the business, period.

So the Xbox started off setting records despite the most competiton the console market has had in a long time. Gamecube is getting squeazed out.
NOT out of business. They're making money at this game while MS is sacrificing just to keep their foot in the door for the next round. Nintendo profits, MS doesn't so if things continued this way, the Gamecube could cruise forever and Microsoft couldn't. Who's "squeezing" who? Nintendo would have to cancel their next console PUBLICLY (And recently) said to be planned for 2005. Planning means alot in this industry... They DEFINATELY don't plan on exiting the console business.

 

CZroe

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Originally posted by: wyvrn
See my post above. MS has $40 billion cash. MS doesn't care about profit right now, they want market share. That is the big picture. Hardware prices are dropping and they will figure a way to make their model profitable in a few years. They have the resources to wait, and better if they keep putting cutting edge systems out, Sony and Nintendo will lose profit percentage in order to keep up. Gamers are not so loyal as to buy inferior hardware when a better system comes along.

The benchmarks in the article are not strange at all. They point out that MS had very successful titles from the beginning, though trolls continue to argue otherwise. But you cannot ignore the numbers. Now whether that is titles driving hardware sales or hardware driving software sales is yet to be seen. But since MS just passed Nintendo on units sold, rather handily I might add, I don't think MS is going to have any problems staying in the console market for years and years to come.

Nintendo is a big boy too. Internationally, they were a multi-billion dollar company in the same league as Microsoft and mentioned in the same breath BEFORE MS got into the gaming industry. Since then, there's been Pokemon. They can play ball with MS. MS may want market share (Who doesn't?) but Nintendo already has their foot firmly in the market. Nintendo doesn't envy their 2nd place position if it means a loss. But, "Gamers are not so loyal as to buy inferior hardware when a better system comes along" seems to not be the case. PS2 has outsold both GC and XBOX combined in the time since they were all three in the market together. Of course, now Nintendo has already announced that they WILL be first to market for the next generation console wars. Looks like they hope to nail the timing like Sony did with the PS2 and Sega didn't with the DC. Apparantly, superior hardware only makes the call when you are fighting for second place.

I'm not really saying the benchmark itself is strange, I'm saying that they seemed to have run out of statistics to point out. The competitive console market has really only been around since the '80s, so ANY console is bound to be the first to do a thousand things. If any similarly strange but positive acheivement were pointed out for the Gamecube, it would not have much bearing either.

Oh, and (screaming like a kid) I AM HARDCORE AND YOU ARE ALL NOT AND DUMB ;)
 

CZroe

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It is a joke.
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I shouldn't have had to edit it to make that obvious.
 

wyvrn

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I got that it was a joke but don't understand your attitude. Are you trying to be self reflexive? I don't see people here being any more argumentative than you, so your attempts at humor seem misplaced.

Originally posted by: CZroe
It is a joke.
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I shouldn't have had to edit it to make that obvious.

 

wyvrn

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That is a good point and has merit, however, if it were unconditionally true then MS would never have had a chance. As you can see MS has gobbled market share all the way to second place even though Nintendo and Sony got the jump on them already. System releases provide an initial cusion where gamers flock to the newest release, but MS gets to play that game as well. As soon as the Xbox follow-up comes out, the momemtum will swing yet again. What REALLY matters is the long-term gains each company makes, and Nintendo has had two consecutive disappointments. MS is taking their share and is one day going to challenge Sony for the crown by the looks of it.

Originally posted by: CZroe
Originally posted by: wyvrn
See my post above. MS has $40 billion cash. MS doesn't care about profit right now, they want market share. That is the big picture. Hardware prices are dropping and they will figure a way to make their model profitable in a few years. They have the resources to wait, and better if they keep putting cutting edge systems out, Sony and Nintendo will lose profit percentage in order to keep up. Gamers are not so loyal as to buy inferior hardware when a better system comes along.

The benchmarks in the article are not strange at all. They point out that MS had very successful titles from the beginning, though trolls continue to argue otherwise. But you cannot ignore the numbers. Now whether that is titles driving hardware sales or hardware driving software sales is yet to be seen. But since MS just passed Nintendo on units sold, rather handily I might add, I don't think MS is going to have any problems staying in the console market for years and years to come.

Nintendo is a big boy too. Internationally, they were a multi-billion dollar company in the same league as Microsoft and mentioned in the same breath BEFORE MS got into the gaming industry. Since then, there's been Pokemon. They can play ball with MS. MS may want market share (Who doesn't?) but Nintendo already has their foot firmly in the market. Nintendo doesn't envy their 2nd place position if it means a loss. But, "Gamers are not so loyal as to buy inferior hardware when a better system comes along" seems to not be the case. PS2 has outsold both GC and XBOX combined in the time since they were all three in the market together. Of course, now Nintendo has already announced that they WILL be first to market for the next generation console wars. Looks like they hope to nail the timing like Sony did with the PS2 and Sega didn't with the DC. Apparantly, superior hardware only makes the call when you are fighting for second place.

I'm not really saying the benchmark itself is strange, I'm saying that they seemed to have run out of statistics to point out. The competitive console market has really only been around since the '80s, so ANY console is bound to be the first to do a thousand things. If any similarly strange but positive acheivement were pointed out for the Gamecube, it would not have much bearing either.

Oh, and (screaming like a kid) I AM HARDCORE AND YOU ARE ALL NOT AND DUMB ;)

 

TerryMathews

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The next Nintendo console needs to be multi-function, especially for DVD-playback. It's stupid, I know, but people (usually stupid people) go gaga over the PS2 and Xbox's ability to play DVDs, even after I explain how you can use the $80 savings from the GameCube to buy a very nice DVD player at any major store with an electronics department.

Math for $80 savings:
PS2 - $179.99 out of box.
GameCube - $149.99 with free $50 game = $99.99
$179.99-$99.99 = $80.
 

Wingznut

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Originally posted by: TerryMathews
The next Nintendo console needs to be multi-function, especially for DVD-playback. It's stupid, I know, but people (usually stupid people) go gaga over the PS2 and Xbox's ability to play DVDs...
I'm not really sure who you are calling "stupid," but I am one of the many who find the DVD capabilities a worthy feature.

No, it was not the sole or even the primary reason I find the Xbox more enjoyable... But it is a feature that I use, as I don't have a standalone DVD player. But since my Xbox does play DVD's, I have no need for yet another component.

I can only presume that doesn't make me "stupid." :)

 

TerryMathews

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Originally posted by: Wingznut
I'm not really sure who you are calling "stupid," but I am one of the many who find the DVD capabilities a worthy feature.

To clarify my point, I'm calling people who turn down a GameCube soely on the basis that it can't play DVDs stupid. Since the price difference will more than buy a good DVD player. Believe it or not, I've actually dealt with people who say that they want a console that can play DVDs, even after I explain to them that Target has DVD players for under $50.
 

Wingznut

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Originally posted by: TerryMathews
Originally posted by: Wingznut
I'm not really sure who you are calling "stupid," but I am one of the many who find the DVD capabilities a worthy feature.

To clarify my point, I'm calling people who turn down a GameCube soely on the basis that it can't play DVDs stupid. Since the price difference will more than buy a good DVD player. Believe it or not, I've actually dealt with people who say that they want a console that can play DVDs, even after I explain to them that Target has DVD players for under $50.
Well... It is possible that they don't want another component.

Since I have only one optical input on my receiver, I'm not thrilled at the idea of buying another component. One of these days I'll get a HDTV and then I'll need a Progressive Scan DVD... Which means I'll need a new receiver... And so on. But until that day comes, I'll use my Xbox to watch DVD's. :)


All that being said, you do make a very valid point.

And all that being said (again), anyone who buys a console based on anything other than THE GAMES has their priorities whacked. ;)
 

Lager

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The only game that has remotely showed appeal to me is the Star Wars KOTOR because it's exclusive to Xbox. The games got rave reviews.

Other then that, it's sad to see Halo is still the best game for the Xbox.
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: TerryMathews
Originally posted by: Wingznut
I'm not really sure who you are calling "stupid," but I am one of the many who find the DVD capabilities a worthy feature.

To clarify my point, I'm calling people who turn down a GameCube soely on the basis that it can't play DVDs stupid. Since the price difference will more than buy a good DVD player. Believe it or not, I've actually dealt with people who say that they want a console that can play DVDs, even after I explain to them that Target has DVD players for under $50.
Well... It is possible that they don't want another component.

Since I have only one optical input on my receiver, I'm not thrilled at the idea of buying another component. One of these days I'll get a HDTV and then I'll need a Progressive Scan DVD... Which means I'll need a new receiver... And so on. But until that day comes, I'll use my Xbox to watch DVD's. :)


All that being said, you do make a very valid point.

And all that being said (again), anyone who buys a console based on anything other than THE GAMES has their priorities whacked. ;)

Actually the xbox is CAPABLE of doing progressive scan. Microsoft just disabled that functionality in their dvd player. If you have a modded xbox then you can download third party dvd player software for the xbox that does progressive scan.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: TerryMathews
Originally posted by: Wingznut
I'm not really sure who you are calling "stupid," but I am one of the many who find the DVD capabilities a worthy feature.

To clarify my point, I'm calling people who turn down a GameCube soely on the basis that it can't play DVDs stupid. Since the price difference will more than buy a good DVD player. Believe it or not, I've actually dealt with people who say that they want a console that can play DVDs, even after I explain to them that Target has DVD players for under $50.

that being said, the gamecube is only 30 dollars less then the xbox. and that difference starts to go away once you buy those damned memory cards.
 

Lager

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: TerryMathews
Originally posted by: Wingznut
I'm not really sure who you are calling "stupid," but I am one of the many who find the DVD capabilities a worthy feature.

To clarify my point, I'm calling people who turn down a GameCube soely on the basis that it can't play DVDs stupid. Since the price difference will more than buy a good DVD player. Believe it or not, I've actually dealt with people who say that they want a console that can play DVDs, even after I explain to them that Target has DVD players for under $50.

that being said, the gamecube is only 30 dollars less then the xbox. and that difference starts to go away once you buy those damned memory cards.


Good observation, all that extra peripherals will amount to the price of xbox eventually.
 

Wingznut

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: TerryMathews
Originally posted by: Wingznut
I'm not really sure who you are calling "stupid," but I am one of the many who find the DVD capabilities a worthy feature.

To clarify my point, I'm calling people who turn down a GameCube soely on the basis that it can't play DVDs stupid. Since the price difference will more than buy a good DVD player. Believe it or not, I've actually dealt with people who say that they want a console that can play DVDs, even after I explain to them that Target has DVD players for under $50.

that being said, the gamecube is only 30 dollars less then the xbox. and that difference starts to go away once you buy those damned memory cards.
But then you have to keep in mind that the Xbox DVD remote costs $30.

 

fatbaby

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gamecube package at costco:

1 gamecube
2 controllers
1 16 block memory card
1 $49.99 game.

$219.99 total

xbox package at costco:

1 xbox
2 controllers
1 dvd kit
jetset radio future
sega gt2002

$219.99 total

The xbox seems like a better value.
 

TerryMathews

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Originally posted by: fatbaby
gamecube package at costco:

1 gamecube
2 controllers
1 16 block memory card
1 $49.99 game.

$219.99 total

xbox package at costco:

1 xbox
2 controllers
1 dvd kit
jetset radio future
sega gt2002

$219.99 total

The xbox seems like a better value.

The GC one is wrong, or Costco is ripping you off. The system should include one free game from Nintendo (Player, Zelda, StarFox Adv., Mario Party 4, Metroid).
 

Lager

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Isn't Gamecube running a promotion where you can get two free games from their best sellers? Such as Super Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime, Starfox, Zelda, etc.