REAL value of overclocking?

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BigPete

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Avalon, thanks for your sensible reply. However, I think we both know that there is no $1700 CPU and that was exactly the point. I think most of the people here are smart enough to know what I'm saying.

Just for the record, I'm not against overclocking or anything like that. I like to overclock just to see how far I can push it, but thats it. From a performance perspective overclocking is retarded. I just see a lot of people getting upset because they cant get a good "overclock" and they are pissed because they arent getting the performance they wanted. I'm sorry, but if you wanted 3500+ performance, you should have bought a 3500+ not a 3000+ and hope you can overclock.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: BigPete
quite frankly, I dont see the point of overclocking.

Originally posted by: BigPete

I like to overclock just to see how far I can push it, but thats it.

Get your stories strAight.

From a performance perspective overclocking is retarded.

No it's not. I'm getting $900 FX-55 performance for $150. (or 33% more performance for 600% less money)
 

BigPete

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I guess I should have been more specific. I apologize, sir. I dont see the point of overclocking for anything other than vanity. Are you happy now?
 

BigPete

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But seriously, why do you think I bought this new computer? With my winnie, Mushkin Level II and MSI Neo4 Plat? So I can just sit here and run it at stock speeds forever, pffffft, lol
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: BigPete
I guess I should have been more specific. I apologize, sir. I dont see the point of overclocking for anything other than vanity. Are you happy now?

It's not vanity. We are "safe" overclockers here at Anandtech...If even increasing voltage just barley...only to maximize bang for bucks.. you want to go to xtreme or some other place where they have basically unusable and unstable systems...for vanity
 

BigPete

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Just because I MAY not agree with your point of view does not make me a troll. That is so cheesy. Instead of discussing this, which I have tried to do more than once by just ignoring your inflammatory nonsense, you continue to call names and try to degrade me. That's fine, whatever. You guys are the real trolls. It's people like you that degrade excellent communities like this.

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Whats worse is that when you guys convince me that perhaps when you take into account the fact overclocking scalability is different across processors (something I know, but didnt consider) it might actually be worth it to OC for the extra performance. Seriously, is there a need to be all mean and nasty especially if you are winning an argument?
 

Zebo

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whaaa.. Hey if you did a little more reading and a little less talking you'd realise the stuff you've been posting in this thread is absurd. That you come in matter-a-factly dising the OC prospect and also contridict yourself opens you up to some flames and accusations of trolling.

listen more talk less and nobody likes a crybaby.
 

BigPete

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It has nothing to do with reading. Its the simple fact that given the same information to work with, different people will approach things differently. And seriously, no one is crying, whats the point of trying to attack me personally, what is that going to solve? You're such a stupid head..... ok???
 

Avalon

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Originally posted by: BigPete
Avalon, thanks for your sensible reply. However, I think we both know that there is no $1700 CPU and that was exactly the point. I think most of the people here are smart enough to know what I'm saying.

Just for the record, I'm not against overclocking or anything like that. I like to overclock just to see how far I can push it, but thats it. From a performance perspective overclocking is retarded. I just see a lot of people getting upset because they cant get a good "overclock" and they are pissed because they arent getting the performance they wanted. I'm sorry, but if you wanted 3500+ performance, you should have bought a 3500+ not a 3000+ and hope you can overclock.

Well, take a look at your case there. You are comparing people who don't know what they are doing (don't research into their processor/mobo/PSU/other important component enough and get dismal results and whine, thus aggravating you) to people that are very good at what they do in squeezing tangible performance out of something for nothing. If you only pay attention to the people who are failing at overclocking and getting upset, of course you will not have a positive view on overclocking's benefits, as you won't see any in those cases.
 

Zebo

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And seriously, no one is crying, whats the point of trying to attack me personally, what is that going to solve? You're such a stupid head.

You're one of a kind.:heart::)
 

BigPete

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Originally posted by: Avalon
Originally posted by: BigPete
Avalon, thanks for your sensible reply. However, I think we both know that there is no $1700 CPU and that was exactly the point. I think most of the people here are smart enough to know what I'm saying.

Just for the record, I'm not against overclocking or anything like that. I like to overclock just to see how far I can push it, but thats it. From a performance perspective overclocking is retarded. I just see a lot of people getting upset because they cant get a good "overclock" and they are pissed because they arent getting the performance they wanted. I'm sorry, but if you wanted 3500+ performance, you should have bought a 3500+ not a 3000+ and hope you can overclock.

Well, take a look at your case there. You are comparing people who don't know what they are doing (don't research into their processor/mobo/PSU/other important component enough and get dismal results and whine, thus aggravating you) to people that are very good at what they do in squeezing tangible performance out of something for nothing. If you only pay attention to the people who are failing at overclocking and getting upset, of course you will not have a positive view on overclocking's benefits, as you won't see any in those cases.


Well, thats what I'm getting at. People shouldnt make purchases with the intentions of being able to reach some super high overclock. The real value of overclocking is only as good as what you are willing to settle for. You could get a 3000+ and OC it 200MHz only to have it crap out on you. Then you will be disappointed. You could have just spent a little extra money on the processor you KNOW will run at the speed you want and if you manage to squeeze anything out of that, then great.
 

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Originally posted by: Zebo
And seriously, no one is crying, whats the point of trying to attack me personally, what is that going to solve? You're such a stupid head.

You're one of a kind.:heart::)

If you are going to quote me, quote the whole thing. And I do feel the love!:heart::beer:
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: BigPete
But seriously, why do you think I bought this new computer? With my winnie, Mushkin Level II and MSI Neo4 Plat? So I can just sit here and run it at stock speeds forever, pffffft, lol

hehe missed this one. Peter make up your mind dude.


BTW expensive ram is more wasteful than overclocking..see my mem guide stickied at top of forums. Twice the money for impercievable gains?
 

Avalon

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Originally posted by: BigPete
Originally posted by: Avalon
Originally posted by: BigPete
Avalon, thanks for your sensible reply. However, I think we both know that there is no $1700 CPU and that was exactly the point. I think most of the people here are smart enough to know what I'm saying.

Just for the record, I'm not against overclocking or anything like that. I like to overclock just to see how far I can push it, but thats it. From a performance perspective overclocking is retarded. I just see a lot of people getting upset because they cant get a good "overclock" and they are pissed because they arent getting the performance they wanted. I'm sorry, but if you wanted 3500+ performance, you should have bought a 3500+ not a 3000+ and hope you can overclock.

Well, take a look at your case there. You are comparing people who don't know what they are doing (don't research into their processor/mobo/PSU/other important component enough and get dismal results and whine, thus aggravating you) to people that are very good at what they do in squeezing tangible performance out of something for nothing. If you only pay attention to the people who are failing at overclocking and getting upset, of course you will not have a positive view on overclocking's benefits, as you won't see any in those cases.


Well, thats what I'm getting at. People shouldnt make purchases with the intentions of being able to reach some super high overclock. The real value of overclocking is only as good as what you are willing to settle for. You could get a 3000+ and OC it 200MHz only to have it crap out on you. Then you will be disappointed. You could have just spent a little extra money on the processor you KNOW will run at the speed you want and if you manage to squeeze anything out of that, then great.

If any processor craps out on you, stock or not, you're going to be dissapointed. The only difference will be the scope of the dissapointment. A modern day processor that was overclocked 200mhz died, then it would have died at stock as well. Your chances of this happening are slim to none, only increased by a lack of knowledge. However, while your points are noted, you are forgetting quite a few things.

First, many of us are on a budget.
Our wants exceed our pocketbook.
Many may only have $100 for a processor upgrade. Something like a sempron 3100+ would be their only choice. While not a bad processor at stock, it leaves much to be desired when compared to the bigger boys...but why not have it run like some of the bigger boys?

It's also feeling of accomplishment.
It's that feeling you get when you find a $5 bill half buried in the sand. "Hey, 100mhz!" :p

Besides, what you think people should or should not do as far as overclocking has little to do with the benefits of an overclock in and of itself, as a concept. That was really what I meant previously.
 

BigPete

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: BigPete
But seriously, why do you think I bought this new computer? With my winnie, Mushkin Level II and MSI Neo4 Plat? So I can just sit here and run it at stock speeds forever, pffffft, lol

hehe missed this one. Peter make up your mind dude.


BTW expensive ram is more wasteful than overclocking..see my mem guide stickied at top of forums. Twice the money for impercievable gains?

My mind is made up. I've never OCed any of my computer because I just didnt feel like the hassle was worth it. But I guess, I can see where you guys are coming from. The basic idea being that you cant OC an FX-55 worth a damn but you can OC a 3000+ to be damn near as good as that FX-55 for a fraction of the cost. So yeah, it makes perfect economical sense and as long as you arent counting on that super high overclock, its all good.

I like my memory and it wasnt that much money. Besides, it came in a neat little air balloon vaccuum bag type thing-a-ma-jig. I really hated throwing that thing out :p
 

Amaroque

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Originally posted by: BigPete
Overclocking is for big nerds and uber dorks to show off how "l337" their rigs are. Practically speaking, there is no real reason to overclock your CPU to gain an extra 2.3 fps. People do it because its "the cool thing to do". Basically, whoever has the highest overclock is supposed to have the biggest penis?

So you come into an OCing forum, and call everyone dorks.

Originally posted by: BigPete
Cant you just buy the $900 CPU and overclock it to perform at the same level as a $1700 CPU? LMAO, where does it end... I dont understand that logic. Its like if you can overclock a 3000+ to operate at the same level as a 3500+ its some big achievement. It's like some perpetual cycle! Really, I'm just bustin balls because, quite frankly, I dont see the point of overclocking.

Then you post this senseless crap.

Originally posted by: BigPete
Just for the record, I'm not against overclocking or anything like that. I like to overclock just to see how far I can push it, but thats it. From a performance perspective overclocking is retarded.

Now you go back to OCing is ok (but retarted).

Originally posted by: BigPete
I guess I should have been more specific. I apologize, sir. I dont see the point of overclocking for anything other than vanity. Are you happy now?

Performance doesn't mater. We're all supposedly (according to you) vain dorks.

Originally posted by: BigPete
But seriously, why do you think I bought this new computer? With my winnie, Mushkin Level II and MSI Neo4 Plat? So I can just sit here and run it at stock speeds forever, pffffft, lol

Then you say you bought an OCing MB, RAM, and CPU And also insinuate you bought that specific hardware for OCing...

Originally posted by: BigPete
Whats worse is that when you guys convince me that perhaps when you take into account the fact overclocking scalability is different across processors (something I know, but didnt consider) it might actually be worth it to OC for the extra performance. Seriously, is there a need to be all mean and nasty especially if you are winning an argument?

Who would point out CPU salability to you when you point blank said that OCing is for "dorks", and "nerds", Who are "vain", and "retarded"?

Now you go back to talk about performance, which you just said was non existent and (quote number three).

Originally posted by: BigPete
It has nothing to do with reading. Its the simple fact that given the same information to work with, different people will approach things differently. And seriously, no one is crying, whats the point of trying to attack me personally, what is that going to solve? You're such a stupid head..... ok???

Now you call Zebo, who is the price/performance guru of Anandtech (and was trying to explain the point of OCing to you) a stupid head.

And you have the audacity to wonder why people are being mean, and calling you a troll?

Go troll somewhere else.
 

BigPete

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Amaroque.... nevermind. I think everyone gets it except for you. The nerds and uber dorks thing was just a joke, har har... why would I waste my time in here if that was actually what I thought? Why dont you get a clue, genius. And I did NOT call anyone a stupid head. Read what I wrote and read it again. Maybe you will being to understand that I was actually mocking you... You need to go find some trolls elsewhere and get out of my face.
 

Avalon

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Originally posted by: BigPete
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: BigPete
But seriously, why do you think I bought this new computer? With my winnie, Mushkin Level II and MSI Neo4 Plat? So I can just sit here and run it at stock speeds forever, pffffft, lol

hehe missed this one. Peter make up your mind dude.


BTW expensive ram is more wasteful than overclocking..see my mem guide stickied at top of forums. Twice the money for impercievable gains?

My mind is made up. I've never OCed any of my computer because I just didnt feel like the hassle was worth it. But I guess, I can see where you guys are coming from. The basic idea being that you cant OC an FX-55 worth a damn but you can OC a 3000+ to be damn near as good as that FX-55 for a fraction of the cost. So yeah, it makes perfect economical sense and as long as you arent counting on that super high overclock, its all good.

I like my memory and it wasnt that much money. Besides, it came in a neat little air balloon vaccuum bag type thing-a-ma-jig. I really hated throwing that thing out :p

Much better :)

Actually, I just made a purchase the other day that is hoping to see one of those super high overclocks you speak of. It's the first time I've done so without any research being available (90nm SOI sempron for socket 754). This time I'm doing it just to be a guinea pig. If things work out, though, I'll be a very happy camper. If not, I'll just sell the proc and be on my merry way.
 

Amaroque

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Originally posted by: BigPete
You need to go find some trolls elsewhere and get out of my face. You need a swift kick to the mouth.

Give me your address, I'm rite in Fox Lake... Just a hop skip and a jump to Schamburg. :cool:
 

BigPete

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I'm right off the Elgin O'hare and Irving Park Rd. I'll meet ya anywhere you like and I'll be sure to bring my boots. :p

But seriously, most of the stuff I said was made in jest while I was trying to ascertain some of the reasons people overclock their stuff. I simply had never throught about the fact that different processors scale differently and this is one of the main reasons why overclocking is even worth it. I think you just misunderstood a lot of the stuff that I was saying. Avalon seemed to have caught on right away and Zebo caught on after 2 or 3 replies. You need to calm down.... its all good buddy :lips:
 

BigPete

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Uh, those lips didnt come out the way I thought they would have.... but I'll leave them for effect. I just want to kiss and make up, cant we all just be friends?
 

Avalon

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Originally posted by: Amaroque
Now you call Zebo, who is the price/performance guru of Anandtech (and was trying to explain the point of OCing to you) a stupid head.

If my 90nm SOI Sempy overclocks to big heights, I'll have Zebo pwned :p

Teasing.
:D

 

Amaroque

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Originally posted by: BigPete
I'm right off the Elgin O'hare and Irving Park Rd. I'll meet ya anywhere you like and I'll be sure to bring my boots. :p

But seriously, most of the stuff I said was made in jest while I was trying to ascertain some of the reasons people overclock their stuff. I simply had never throught about the fact that different processors scale differently and this is one of the main reasons why overclocking is even worth it. I think you just misunderstood a lot of the stuff that I was saying. Avalon seemed to have caught on right away and Zebo caught on after 2 or 3 replies. You need to calm down.... its all good buddy :lips:

That sounds more like Roselle. I'm rite off 12 (rand road by you)...

I didn't misunderstand anything. IMO Most of what you wrote was flamebait, and I took offence to the way you came off. Whatever your objective was, calling people retarded and vain isn't any way to get people to respond well.

By the way... I'll just pretend I didn't see the lips thing. :Q