REAL value of overclocking?

[Philippine Mango]

DAMN 292FSB? How in the hell did you get a FSB THAT HIGH? Peltier? Watercooling?

 

[dklingen]

To all,

Thanks for the additional feedback. Particularly from RussianSensation and Zebo. Zebo I really appreciate the benchmark numbers from Half Life 2 and Far Cry!!!

Tomorrow my new MB/3200/X800XL arrive and I will run some tests. I fully expect the system to be over 50fps without overclocking. If not, I will be following the leads presented. I would really like to see performace numbers like Zebo has, his frame rate improvement from non-overclocked to overclocked is pretty impressive.

Thanks again!

 

[Duvie]

I used a 30 dollar swiftech MCX400 with a 92mm panaflo fan....All air cooled baby....

I did lap the NB chip with some AS5....other then that all stock no mods....

 

[Zebo]

pete you got pwned too mcuh in this thread🙂 We still here to help man..😛

/X800XL

I really really really can't wait to see how well this card OC's.. This might be GT killer.. $100-$150 less money.. It it can clock half decent it will be.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: BigPete
Overclocking is for big nerds and uber dorks to show off how "l337" their rigs are. Practically speaking, there is no real reason to overclock your CPU to gain an extra 2.3 fps. People do it because its "the cool thing to do". Basically, whoever has the highest overclock is supposed to have the biggest penis?

BS 🙂 Any idea what sort of fps gain i get out of running my t-bred 2000+ @2600+ speeds...? Rather than the 'cool' thing 2do, it means i can get by playing the latest games without having 2upgrade my CPU (tho' i'd love 2!), and reduces the bottleneck on my 9800 pro 🙂

For the half-way competent o'cing=safe, easy, and free/cheap (unless ur playing with the bigboys of phase change/watercooling!) powerboost, the classic 'something 4nothing' 🙂

heh its always nice 2get in first & tell someone they suck 🙂

 

[DAPUNISHER]

<automated response to overclocking's value> I run distributed computing projects so a healthy overclock results in very significant performance boosts. For example, I have a $80 Barton-M 2200+ 1.667ghz stock@2.5ghz with a $20 cooler, the fastest retail XP is the 3200+@$165, it is multi locked and probably can't hit 2.5ghz stable without insane voltage, if at all. That means I have exceeded the max threshhold for the series i.e. I couldn't buy a XP that fast if I wanted to 😉 Now, the difference that 833mhz makes is Huge for DC projects. The work gets done hellafaster i.e. hours per work unit, and since the goal of all of these projects is to benefit mankind that is worthy and productive IMHO.

There are also games that are very CPU reliant due to the physics engine, A.I., and such, and a good overclock can be the difference between good FPS or not. WoW is a prime example as even a 6800U bonks with just a 2500+ coupled with it, make that a A64@2.4ghz+ and you can tack on as much as 100% more FPS=Huge performance boost. High-end performance@bottom of class pricing is the goal of most overclockers 'round here, and most succeed splendidly, and to that I raise my :beer: and/or :wine: in salute! 🙂 </>

 

[Leper Messiah]

As mentioned above, there are tangable benefits to overclocking. Remember back in the day, when two slot1 cel400@600 were the shit, and for teh price of one PIII600? Right now, my A64 (old and gumpy as it is at stock) still pwns most everything out there, because its overclocked. Bone stock system (a64 3200+1mb cache 9800np 512KVR 3338) scores maybe 19k on 3dmk01. OC'd to the max (2.45ghz np@480/365 kvr@ 2.5-3-3-7) I score around 23k. FarCry is playable maxed out 1600x1200 as long as I don't have AA on too high (like I need it at that resolution), same thing with UT2k4 (with more AA). I can go from 800x600 to 1024x768 in Doom3, and up to 1280x1024 in HL2. That makes my gaming more enjoyable. And for what? Maybe $60 for an arctic silencer and some ramsinks, and a decent heatsink for my a64? I'm probably going to sink $225 into a winnie 3000+ and a 939 board and OC the hell out of that too, pretty soon...

 

[superkdogg]

Originally posted by: BigPete

Originally posted by: Zebo
Just STFU you have no clue to what you speak. All chips are the same meaning a 3500 and 3000 will clock the same.. both to around 2600mhz. The only question is do you pay $150 to get there (3000), $280 to get there (3500) or $900 to start there in FX case.

So uh, you are saying that all 3 of those CPUs are the same exact thing except for price? Sounds like someone else needs to STFU.

How the hell have you spent enough time in these forums to post that much without ever knowing how chips are binned/marketed/packaged? Wow, you're mental. If it were possible to by an FX-55 and overclock it by 50%, people might do that too-except that it's not (practically speaking).

I am in utter disbelief of your ingnorance on the issue at hand, yet your willingness to speak from an indefensible point of view. You're very wrong due to a serious lack of education on this matter.

P. S. My CPU is the same as Zebo's and I am running 2.7 GHz, which is higher than any stock-clocked A64 currently on the market so my little $150 investment has yielded an instant 600% return versus buying the best chips available.

To evaluate the overclocking results for my system, look up anybody's CPU benchmarks (the newer the better) possibly this one: Benchmarks

Take the difference between the 3800+ and the 3000+ times 1.5 (since the clock speeds are 2.4 and 1.8 and I'm running 2.7) and you'll have the equivalent of what I paid for versus what I have.

 

[imported_NoGodForMe]

I got in here late, but also have real life performance numbers. The H had a HL2 benchmark article, where they even gave out their benchmarks for fans to run. They used an FX53 at stock with an Ultra at stock. I ran the same demos, at the same settings, except that my video card was OCed.

H running an FX53 at stock 2400, my FX53 at 2400, and at 2640 (10% over).
BFG 6800 Ultra Waterblock @ 451/1200 (H is running at 425/1100)
HL2 at max settings, Reflect World, 1600x1200, 4xAA, 8xAF

Map -------------- H result --------My result-------OC result
D1_Canals ----- 91.55 ----------- 96.55------------98.25
D2_Coast ------ 83.06 ----------- 88.18------------89.57

Only a couple frames from OCing the CPU. But I get about 5 fps from OCing my GPU. It's the memory OC on the GPU that makes this happen.

Not worth it, I usually run my system at stock, but still like the hobby of Ocing just to know how high I can go.

 

[superkdogg]

NGFM. That's only one benchmark on one setting and one configuration of a widely known GPU bound application. Hello? 16x12 and you think that the CPU will affect that at all? With AA and AF!? I am glad that you noted that OCing the GFX helped out more than CPU for your case. That's the way nearly all modern 3D games will respond.

Now, I know that you're responding appropriately to the OP, and I appreciate that. However, his question was asked in a manner that doesn't get to the heart of the issue. He should have asked two different questions: 1. Is overclocking worth it? and 2. What kind of gain will I see in real-life applications, especially games from overclocking my cpu? Those are what he's getting at.

To get an honest result, either use 3DM2K1 which is pretty easy on modern graphics cards or use more than just one game, at a setting that allows the CPU to be a factor. I'd be curious to know what the difference is between 1.8 and 2.6 on an FX55 @ 10x7 with no eye candy. Bring your uber-rig back to us ham & eggers. Show us how much performance you got for your $.

Then let me borrow your video card so my $150 CPU can show you up! The fact that I did not have to buy a $700-900 CPU to equal your performance is exactly why OCing is worth it. I saved about $600 by knowing what I'm doing and having a little luck and skill.

Sorry for being inflammatory (semi-pun intended) but people who have OC'd an FX53 by 10% are not the one's who know the answer to this question. People who OC'd a 3000+ by 50% are. The value of overclocking is getting something for nothing. My computer is basically the cheapest s939 rig you could build. My CPU, memory, and mobo combined cost less than half of an FX53 (~$350). Yet my rig is at least 90% (giving you the benefit of the doubt) as good as yours.

[dismount soapbox c:]

 

[MisterChief]

Shut up. Overclock. See the results.

 

[Zebo]

The fact that I did not have to buy a $700-900 CPU to equal your performance is exactly why OCing is worth it. I saved about $600 by knowing what I'm doing and having a little luck and skill.

Werd.

No offense but I think is asinine to buy those FX and 4000's. Why? Because if something costs twice as much it should be twice as good. Or in the case of CPU's twice as fast. FX performance does'nt scale with price at all; even stock, it's 600% more money for only 33% more performance. Add since you can overclock lessor A64's like the $150 3000 to FX, therefore most OCer's understand that the -400-600% price premium would be better spent elsewhere than for 2-5% performance gains. These FX purchase is not based on any kind cost/benefit analysis that I know of overclcoked or not