Discussion RDNA 5 / UDNA (CDNA Next) speculation

[adroc_thurston]

And what is Switch 2 - a robot?

Also a tablet.

And what is 9070 then?

The last of its kind.

 

[adroc_thurston]

he is probably referring to the RDNA 5 line up where AT0, AT2, & AT4 have a tie up with microsoft to achieve scale

AT4 had nothing to do with MS and everything to do with Just Doing Thing.

AT3 (medusa halo / 10060xt) is an outlier as there is no product tie up (except for the strix halo like dgx/rocm box but not sure how it is viable unless memory prices crash)

It's their laptop gaming part.
You can just do things.

 

[marees]

It's their laptop gaming part.

which laptop

how many with halo today ??

 

[adroc_thurston]

which laptop

All of them.
Serpent Lake is just like that too.

how many with halo today ??

More than yesterday.

 

[NTMBK]

Was the HD 7970 a gaming part? Was the GTX 480 a gaming part?

Dual purpose dies with the DP performance crippled in gaming parts is not some weird new invention.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Was the HD 7970 a gaming part? Was the GTX 480 a gaming part?

Really bad ones.
As far DPFP crunchers go, Hawaii was the sole outlier with non-terrible PPA.

Dual purpose dies with the DP performance crippled in gaming parts is not some weird new invention.

They've been long-long-long absent from the market and replaced with bespoke solutions.

 

[Mopetar]

That is monolithic . Can't be repurposed for PC gaming

Being x86 with a RDNA5 ISA means it can, but it won't be because its a semicustom ordered by Sony so it's up to them.

Sony/MS already bin their silicon to get a good harvest so there's not a lot of waste, but even the stuff that doesn't qualify will get used somewhere as long as it's not completely dead.

Usually the console chips that aren't up to snuff get stockpiled and sold as some unique OEM part to a specific set of companies in China or India that don't care they're getting console salvage parts or would even consider doing anything with them that might annoy Sony or MS.

With the market the way it is, no one is throwing away good silicon that could be sold somewhere. It's unlikely to ever show up as a DYI part for someone to build their own PlayStation or Xbox though.

 

[Kryohi]

he is probably referring to the RDNA 5 line up where AT0, AT2, & AT4 have a tie up with microsoft to achieve scale

AT3 (medusa halo / 10060xt) is an outlier as there is no product tie up (except for the strix halo like dgx/rocm box but not sure how it is viable unless memory prices crash)

In the context of the "semantics" discussion it makes sense to bring up RDNA4.
Only two chips, but both are literally only used for gaming dgpus (plus some prosumer cards that very few people have bought). An entire architecture used only for that, no APUs, no semicustom parts, nothing else.

RDNA5 might have some good die sharing going on, but that tells nothing about what the focus of AMD is.

 

[Win2012R2]

Also a tablet.

Why is it a tablet when its SoC used was very slightly modified Orin, which in Nvidia's words:

"Next-level AI performance for next-gen robotics and edge solutions."

NVIDIA Jetson AGX Orin

Next-level AI performance for next-gen robotics.

www.nvidia.com

Based on your "logic" it's a robot or something like that, certainly not a gaming device.

By the way is 9800X3D a consumer chip?

The last of its kind.

So that's not zero, which I take as admission that your statement was false, here it was:

It's so factually incorrect they have zero dedicated gaming dGFX parts now.

 

[itsmydamnation]

By the way is 9800X3D a consumer chip?

nope , if Zen was a consumer focused core you would likely see a very different cache setup and in a given xtop/mm^2 budget less Load/store/TLB and more execution resources.

 

[soresu]

Well that puts any question of CDNA nomenclature remaining pretty conclusively to bed....



Kinda weird to jizz all over enterprise products at the Consumer Electronics Show though.

We get it, we're not the priority - no need to rub it in.

 

[gdansk]

But that is a Consumer Of The Future.
It'll consume all the CES coverage and summarize it for you.
Say thank you.

 

[soresu]

But that is a Consumer Of The Future.
It'll consume all the CES coverage and summarize it for you.
Say thank you.

 

[Joe NYC]

L2

You mean AMD just added SRAM to formerly underutilized base die, while NVidia had to spend $20 billion on Groq?

 

[Hitman928]

Well that puts any question of CDNA nomenclature remaining pretty conclusively to bed....

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Kinda weird to jizz all over enterprise products at the Consumer Electronics Show though.

We get it, we're not the priority - no need to rub it in.

CES went through a rebrand in 2024 and it’s no longer the consumer electronics show, it’s just CES, no more meaning beyond the letters. Partly to put the company behind CES more in the spotlight and partly because they now are an electronics show focusing on leading edge and innovative tech across all segments.

“On late Tuesday night, the Consumer Technology Association, a trade organization representing the US tech industry that puts on CES, unveiled on its website a new logo for itself and CES (which formerly stood for “Consumer Electronics Show” but now goes by just the acronym). It's part of a larger rebrand to put the CTA under the spotlight nearly as much as CES.”

CES gets a rebrand (and a new logo) as organizers of the tech show step forward

The Consumer Technology Association has put on CES for decades. A rebrand intends to let everyone know that.

www.laptopmag.com

 

[adroc_thurston]

You mean AMD just added SRAM to formerly underutilized base die, while NVidia had to spend $20 billion on Groq?

it formerly had MALL lmao.

 

[Joe NYC]

In the context of the "semantics" discussion it makes sense to bring up RDNA4.
Only two chips, but both are literally only used for gaming dgpus (plus some prosumer cards that very few people have bought). An entire architecture used only for that, no APUs, no semicustom parts, nothing else.

RDNA5 might have some good die sharing going on, but that tells nothing about what the focus of AMD is.

Also, AMD is achieving financial success with RDNA4. Something the new AMD CFO, Jean Hu, AKA Count de Monet likes very much.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Also, AMD is achieving financial success with RDNA4

I mean they're not dead so kind of.
Still pocket change overall.

 

[Joe NYC]

it formerly had MALL lmao.

Base die had room for 10x SRAM. Room for 640 MB of SRAM while each die had only 64 MB of SRAM in MALL.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Base die had room for 10x SRAM

uh, no.

Room for 640 MB of SRAM while each die had only 64 MB of SRAM in MALL.

No, MI350X base is 128M each.

 

[Joe NYC]

uh, no.

No, MI350X base is 128M each.

Mi350 merged each 2 base dies of Mi300 into 1. So 2 x 64 MB (from Mi300) = 128 MB.

Mi300 base die is ~370 mm2. If occupied only by SRAM, it would have room for 640 MB.

Apparently, Groq card, which they call SRAM card has about 280 ~MB SRAM. Something AMD could double or more in the base dies of Mi400

 

[adroc_thurston]

Mi300 base die is ~370 mm2. If occupied only by SRAM, it would have room for 640 MB.

Apparently, Groq card, which they call SRAM card has about 280 ~MB SRAM. Something AMD could double or more in the base dies of Mi400

dude you should stop

 

[marees]

2026 is too soon for any kind of RDNA 5 hardware right ????

Next Xbox Console’s Only Difference from a Traditional PC is the Ability to Run Xbox One and Series X/S Games​

A new report by Windows Central provides a lot of details on what to expect from Xbox in 2026, revealing exciting details about the upcoming console. The report shows that the plan to run “full bore Windows” on the next Xbox console has remained the same. Thanks to their partnership with AMD, this console’s interface will be delivered through the “Full Screen Experience” in the Xbox PC app, and Microsoft is hard at work to make the app capable of executing it.

The report says that the main difference between the next Xbox console and a traditional PC is the ability to run Xbox One and Series X/S, allowing players to bring forward their existing libraries to the next-gen console. The Xbox President has also confirmed that the next console will be backwards compatible and will be enhanced with AI. The report also discusses “credible rumors” about an OEM “Xbox” PC in 2026; however, players are asked to treat this information with caution until it is properly verified.

Next Xbox Will Reportedly Feature 'Full Bore Windows'

Next Xbox will reportedly run "full bore Windows" with the 'Full Screen Experience' already available on the app.

insider-gaming.com

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Xbox in 2026 — What to expect from Team Green this year, and beyond​

Features
By Jez Corden published 4 hours ago
It's an interesting, and somewhat pivotal year for Xbox in 2026. After a somewhat unprecedented year of negative headlines, Xbox has an opportunity to turn it around this year.

I reported last year that the next Xbox will run full bore Windows, and that is still the plan. In partnership with AMD, the next Xbox will utilize the Windows 11 "Full Screen Experience" with the Xbox PC app to deliver its console interface. Microsoft is working on major updates to the Xbox PC app to accommodate this, bringing it more closely in line with what Xbox console players will expect when engaging with a device on their TV, rather than at their desk.​

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Where it diverges with a traditional PC is in its ability to actually run games compatible with Xbox One and Xbox Series X|S. Microsoft announced that it's partnering with AMD to enable Xbox games on this PC-like device. Existing Xbox console users' libraries will come forward with them to the new Xbox, as Microsoft continues to commit to backward compatibility in a big way.​

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I suspect we'll hear more at GDC 2026 about how Xbox plans to modernize its publishing practices to accommodate this new more "open" strategy.​

I've been working through some credible rumors that we could see an OEM "Xbox" PC in 2026, but time will tell whether or not that one pans out.

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/xbox-in-2026-what-to-expect-from-team-green-this-year-and-beyond

 

[Saylick]

2026 is too soon for any kind of RDNA 5 hardware right ????

It would be too soon. As a reminder, Microsoft's new strategy is that anything can be deemed an Xbox now. The next Xbox doesn't need to be a next-generation console anymore. They can, in theory, roll out multiple official Xbox devices made by various partners using whatever hardware and do this on an annual basis.

 

[SolidQ]

2026 is too soon for any kind of RDNA 5 hardware right ????

Technically RDNA4/RTX 5xxx is 2024 hardware, they just delayed. So standard 2 year cycle is should be in 2026