Discussion RDNA 5 / UDNA (CDNA Next) speculation

[Joe NYC]

That's a 1.5 years later refresh.
How does this impact launch day z6 product binning?

9800x3d was close to the bottom bin and 9850x3d is not. That's what changed.

I don't think the clock speeds improved by 400 MHz so that 9850x3d would still be the bottom bin.

 

[adroc_thurston]

9800x3d was close to the bottom bin and 9850x3d is not. That's what changed.

that's normal for every refresh ever.

I don't think the clock speeds improved by 400 MHz so that 9850x3d would still be the bottom bin.

how does this relate to anything Zen6?
Different node, different package, different power delivery.

 

[Joe NYC]

how does this relate to anything Zen6?
Different node, different package, different power delivery.

The way it relates to Zen 6 is that prior to launch of Zen 6, AMD changed its approach to selling the main chip for taming.

The old approach was relegating bottom, say 40% of the bins to 9800x3d to now use top 40% of the binned chips to the top gaming chip. Because these gaming chips turned out to be such a good business for AMD (compared to the rest of the desktop line up).

So, Zen 6 will launch after this change has been put in place.

 

[adroc_thurston]

The way it relates to Zen 6 is that prior to launch of Zen 6, AMD changed its approach to selling the main chip for taming.

no lol.

The old approach was relegating bottom, say 40% of the bins to 9800x3d to now use top 40% of the binned chips to the top gaming chip

no lol.

Because these gaming chips turned out to be such a good business for AMD (compared to the rest of the desktop line up).

Yeah but you can sell gutter trash there and they'll buy it still.

So, Zen 6 will launch after this change has been put in place.

No.
If you're desperate for good CCD Si, buy an SP8 Venice. Or MDS1 hi. Or higher Gator Range SKUs.

 

[itsmydamnation]

I assume desktop would want the leaky chips. I would also assume most other product ranges would want the not leaky chips.

 

[reaperrr3]

9800x3d was close to the bottom bin

What? Where's that coming from?

X3D parts need massively lower power to stay cool enough even under meh-ish cooling solutions, and iirc L3/VCache runs at the clock of the fastest core, so they limited PT and turbo clocks vs. the vanilla models.
Pretty sure that in terms of low leakage, the 5800X3D, 7800X3D and 9800X3D are better bins than most 5700X, 7700X and 9700X, respectively.

The 9850X3D has to be a better bin of course; it can probably just hit higher clocks at the same voltages, but like adroc said, they had 1.5 years of yield improvements and to accumulate top-bin chips for this SKU.