Discussion RDNA 5 / UDNA (CDNA Next) speculation

[branch_suggestion]

Is it on N3E?

It'll either be N3P or they are moving them to N2 as well.
N2 is more likely for a tiled part though.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Is it on N3E?

No idea.
2026 is N3p or N2p something anyhow. N3e is a 2024 node.

 

[HuesToo4]

Any chance of RDNA 6 or 7+ Halo if Nvidia somehow fumbles Rubin? Or is that simply more R&D for Instinct.

 

[RnR_au]

Any chance of RDNA 6 or 7+ Halo if Nvidia somehow fumbles Rubin? Or is that simply more R&D for Instinct.

RDNA 5 is 2026. ETA for RDNA 6 or 7 are way beyond this. AMD can't just drop off an uarch to TSMC when they want to.

 

[HuesToo4]

RDNA 5 is 2026. ETA for RDNA 6 or 7 are way beyond this. AMD can't just drop off an uarch to TSMC when they want to.

RDNA 5 is already shown from the summer roadmap. Since they're launching RDNA 4, is there no roadmap with RDNA 6 and 7 yet? They should come in around 2028 and 2030 assuming standard 2 year cadence.

 

[RnR_au]

RDNA 5 is already shown from the summer roadmap. Since they're launching RDNA 4, is there no roadmap with RDNA 6 and 7 yet? They should come in around 2028 and 2030 assuming standard 2 year cadence.

And what does 2028 and 2030 have to do with Rubin?

 

[marees]

RDNA 5 is already shown from the summer roadmap. Since they're launching RDNA 4, is there no roadmap with RDNA 6 and 7 yet? They should come in around 2028 and 2030 assuming standard 2 year cadence.

There is no roadmap with RDNA 6? or whatever that comes after RDNA 5

Even the PS6 is speculated to use RDNA 5

Xbox next will use RDNA 5 for sure

 

[adroc_thurston]

RDNA 5 is already shown from the summer roadmap. Since they're launching RDNA 4, is there no roadmap with RDNA 6 and 7 yet? They should come in around 2028 and 2030 assuming standard 2 year cadence.

Yeah but who cares about parts this far off.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Xbox next will use RDNA 5 for sure

There will be no such thing.

Microsoft all but confirmed their next "console" is a windows frontend for ROG Ally, Legion Go & friends.

So it's more likely that Xbox Next is actually powered by Medusa, perhaps with better support for eGPU docks.

 

[adroc_thurston]

There will be no such thing.

Yeah it is.

Microsoft all but confirmed their next "console" is a windows frontend for ROG Ally, Legion Go & friends.

Very wrong.
That's just a brand expansion but they've been doing it since 2015.

 

[Win2012R2]

Xbox brand is rapidly expanding into a blackhole...

 

[jpiniero]

Yeah it is.

Very wrong.
That's just a brand expansion but they've been doing it since 2015.

There have been rumors that Satya himself killed the next XBox. Only rumors though.

 

[igor_kavinski]

They killed Xbox with their own dumb moves.

What they needed to generate more interest in Xbox:

User upgradable storage (off the shelf NVMe, not their proprietary storage expansion options).

KB/mouse support in any game.

Instead of Xbox Series S and X, just one SKU with the option to plug in an official eGPU that gets upgraded every year for those who want the best and can afford to spend extra.

Ability to run Steam games in a VM (lots of overhead but at least the user will be able to run older games).

And anything else that the Playstation doesn't have.

 

[adroc_thurston]

They killed Xbox with their own dumb moves.

What they needed to generate more interest in Xbox:

User upgradable storage (off the shelf NVMe, not their proprietary storage expansion options).

KB/mouse support in any game.

Instead of Xbox Series S and X, just one SKU with the option to plug in an official eGPU that gets upgraded every year for those who want the best and can afford to spend extra.

Ability to run Steam games in a VM (lots of overhead but at least the user will be able to run older games).

And anything else that the Playstation doesn't have.

None of that works and is insane (console model is a BAWKS. A BAWKS that you connect to your TV and there you go).
What they needed is games.
They bought Zenimax for the IP and then proceeded to ship exactly 0 Zenimax IPs in 5 years.

 

[Win2012R2]

Xbox would have been fine had they not wasted 70 bln on Activision and instead invested it into better hardware and more than one game from Bethesda every 10 years, that was totally dumb move, Xbox is dead.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Yeah I don't understand why they bought all these studios they don't really understand or have any plans for.

Lot of really good indie houses out there that would have shat gold with a solid publishing agreement in place, and you could have gotten a lot more of those with $70bln than whatever Bethsoft has output so far...

 

[adroc_thurston]

Lot of really good indie houses out there that would have shat gold with a solid publishing agreement in place, and you could have gotten a lot more of those with $70bln than whatever Bethsoft has output so far...

They bought Zenimax for Fallout, TES and Doom and then published a single Doom game since.
Basically MS doesn't manage the studios actively, the opposite of Sony.

 

[Win2012R2]

Dropping price of Series X to $300 would have cost them max of $20 bln to sell 100 mln units.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Dropping price of Series X to $300 would have cost them max of $20 bln to sell 100 mln units.

no games

 

[Win2012R2]

no games

Their installment base is crap and half of it is Series S, had they outsold PS5 it would have been Sony selling their games on their store and paying Microsoft 30%.

They have no chance with the next iteration because PS5 will have huge installment base by that point and games for the next 10 years will be released on it - by Microsoft.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Their installment base is crap and half of it is Series S, had they outsold PS5 it would have been Sony selling their games on their store and paying Microsoft 30%.

Sony will never sell their games on Xbox and the install base isn't a problem. They have no games.

They have no chance with the next iteration because PS5 will have huge installment base by that point and games for the next 10 years will be released on it - by Microsoft.

No games!
MS has only to make games since Sony has none anymore, either.

 

[basix]

Microsofts biggest advantage ist the PC ecosystem. With all games ever released for it. If you could launch the Windows Games Launchers (Steam, Epic, ...) and install regular Windows Games on Xbox, I think for many people that would be quite tempting (see also how expensive some PC hardware has become). Also as a 2nd system beside of the PC. Today, most people do have console + laptop and not a desktop PC. So an Xbox would be stronger (=better GPU) than most laptops and has the living room gaming experience/convenience benefit. I mean, for that a very light weight Windows with DX12 and Vulkan Support would be enough (what Xbox OS probably already is). Add a Web-Browser and you could also use it for regular Online / Web Browsing on your TV (so mouse and keyboard support would probably be required as well but hell, that is no effort at all). It is not a full Windows, you can not install arbitrary apps. It is just meant for gaming and some Web Browsing from your sofa. Many people would use it for e.g. Youtube or other media playback (maybe add Netflix etc. Apps as well?). One system for all such living room use cases would be very attractive to many people, even if they do not play too many games. But the likelyhood that they play games gets increased just simply because the have the system installed at home. If adding also some game streaming app / content for such people, I think you are set for a Winner.

The "Windows Games" would use a standard "Console Preset", when the game is newer and designed with the new Xbox in mind. With older games, Microsoft can provide optimized settings (somehow like Nvidia does it in the Nvidia App). So you still get the "Console Experience" but if you want to, you could change quality settings for those games. You would provide additional benefits and features for people with PC experience.

And yes, get rid of the Xbox Series S. That thing hamstrings games just too much. I am 100% sure that NextGen Games will drop XBSS support immediately even if providing LastGen support. Provide other tangible benefits on your system (like described above). If you really want to add a super cheap system, make a Xbox Stream and put in a PC APU (Strix Point or whatever, no additional R&D effort and AMD wins again ), remove all Game Launchers and the "original Xbox App" and just keep the multimedia, browsing and game streaming stuff. I don't know how successful that lower end system would be but, well, it's Microsoft.

And there are also the Apple guys. They own TVs as well but would not by any Windows based PC. There is an additional market as well.

I mean, what I describe above is an Xbox extended with some apps or if looking from the other side, a PC narrowed down to less use cases. Microsoft already has all of this in its technology and software portfolio. So it should not be a very huge effort for them. And hey, if you add the Windows Game Launchers, you could play Playstation "Exclusives" on your Xbox Microsoft just needs to add some fee for it and they earn money from Playstation Games

 

[Joe NYC]

Sony will never sell their games on Xbox and the install base isn't a problem. They have no games.

No games!
MS has only to make games since Sony has none anymore, either.

I have a theory that Nutella raids all the MSFT divisions for best talent and puts the talent to work on the cloud solutions.

And in return, those cloud divisions dump their DEI retards on the client software / client hardware / XBox.

 

[adroc_thurston]

I have a theory that Nutella raids all the MSFT divisions for best talent and puts the talent to work on the cloud solutions.

And in return, those cloud divisions dump their DEI retards on the client software / client hardware / XBox.

If only.
Xbox is just stuck in a cycle of donothingism.

 

[Win2012R2]

Sony will never sell their games on Xbox

There won't be any Xbox, so yes, you are correct from this point of view.

Right now Sony have to sell on PC and had Xbox been successful (installment base + people actually paying money for games rather than Gamepass) then they'd have to sell games there too, the costs are just way too high.