Razzle, or how we gave a carny $1400

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HumblePie

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We've all been screwed over by one scam or another at one point. Sucks when it happens. Mine is being stupid enough to sign up for that Greater Expectations bullshit a few years back. That was a stupid mistake.
 

Hearron

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If you ever hear the words

"The only way your going to loose is if you die or walk away, no one can be this unlucky" - RUN

Also if a "bonus" is involved drop that object no matter what it is, a ball, dart or marble. The only reason for the bonus is to keep you at the game and to keep you thinking about quitting. - Again RUN

Normally the only time you'll see games like this are at flee markets and biker rally's, because all they're after is really one mark like the OP a week.

Other types of "flat stores":

Swinger, swing a bat at a ball on a stand miss it on the way by smack it on the way back.

Screw Cue, smack a golf tee or coin off a cue ball and out of the circle by smacking it with another cue ball.

Most are gone these days with all the laws out there, theft by deception or racketeering will put you away.

Nowadays it's serious business, you can't touch a new big ride for under 250k, so not many are willing to allow that crap on their midway, but they are still out there.

http://www.carnivalmidways.com is a good list if interested, most people only get to see 1 or 2 carnivals a year, yet there are 250+ of them entertaining America.
 

loup garou

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I've lived in NO all my life, and I've never seen one of these. Where was it? All I have ever really seen are the shell games, tarot readers, and the ever popular "I'll bet you $100 I know where you got your shoes at" scam.

It was in his imagination. Guy's a troll, been one for years. I just happened to stop by today for the first time in years and saw this ridiculous thread and all the suckers.

Nebor, if you're REALLY here, catch up with St Ann's tomorrow, look for the Plastic Platoon, I'm the mortarman. I'll buy you a beer.
 
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Nebor

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It was in his imagination. Guy's a troll, been one for years. I just happened to stop by today for the first time in years and saw this ridiculous thread and all the suckers.

Nebor, if you're REALLY here, catch up with St Ann's tomorrow, look for the Plastic Platoon, I'm the mortarman. I'll buy you a beer.

I literally got out of bed after reading this on my phone in order to address it. What makes you think I'm a troll? There are pictures of me in P&N, I've participated in secret santa and I've paypaled various AT users for various things over the years.

And, as was explained very clearly in the thread, I was only there for 2 days, and I'm back home now. I have to get my deployment packet validated again in the morning in order to go back to Afghanistan.

For someone with so many posts, I've never noticed any of your posts before.... curious.
 

Balt

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Bleh. What a waste of money. Was this in New Orleans or somewhere else?

Glad I'm not working the public counter this week. So many careless people get all of their stuff stolen in NOLA during Mardi Gras.
 

seepy83

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Swinger, swing a bat at a ball on a stand miss it on the way by smack it on the way back.

Screw Cue, smack a golf tee or coin off a cue ball and out of the circle by smacking it with another cue ball.

"Screw Cue" sounds pretty much impossible if the golf tee or coin needs to end up outside of a big enough circle. But "Swinger" seems like it would be relatively easy for someone with good hand-eye coordination...maybe there's more to it that your description doesn't explain?
 

nicolaskl

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"Screw Cue" sounds pretty much impossible if the golf tee or coin needs to end up outside of a big enough circle. But "Swinger" seems like it would be relatively easy for someone with good hand-eye coordination...maybe there's more to it that your description doesn't explain?

Swinger is played a couple different ways (i.e. using different objects), but unless he's talking about something different, the bat is connected to a rope/chain and you have to release the bat so that it swings past the ball and knocks it off the tee on it's back swing. Can also be played with a ball and a bowling pin, etc.

Which, of course, is physically impossible if the tee is positioned dead center under the mounting point of the rope/chain. The carney can offset the tee to make it possible, or center the tee to make it impossible, at will.

As far as adults go, I consider carnival games to be a "stupid tax" (or in the case of the OP, maybe a drunk tax), but when I see kids getting ripped off it pisses me off.
 
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seepy83

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Swinger is played a couple different ways (i.e. using different objects), but unless he's talking about something different, the bat is connected to a rope/chain and you have to release the bat so that it swings past the ball and knocks it off the tee on it's back swing. Can also be played with a ball and a bowling pin, etc.

Which, of course, is physically impossible if the tee is positioned dead center under the mounting point of the rope/chain. The carney can offset the tee to make it possible, or center the tee to make it impossible, at will.

Ohhh ok...that makes a lot more sense.
 

HumblePie

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Swinger is played a couple different ways (i.e. using different objects), but unless he's talking about something different, the bat is connected to a rope/chain and you have to release the bat so that it swings past the ball and knocks it off the tee on it's back swing. Can also be played with a ball and a bowling pin, etc.

Which, of course, is physically impossible if the tee is positioned dead center under the mounting point of the rope/chain. The carney can offset the tee to make it possible, or center the tee to make it impossible, at will.

As far as adults go, I consider carnival games to be a "stupid tax" (or in the case of the OP, maybe a drunk tax), but when I see kids getting ripped off it pisses me off.

I've won those carnie games which are possible at least, even if they are hard without knowing the gaff or trick to them. The ones you can win are still hard as hell even if you know how to do it.

I've won the ring toss before where you toss little rings at a field of empty soda bottles and hope to snag the ring onto the neck of the soda bottle. Not easy, but can be done.

I've won the coin toss where you toss a coin on a huge lacquered wooden table with tiny circles the coin must land in completely to win anything. With as slick as the table is and how bouncy the coins can be when tossed a fair distance onto a very hard surface it is not an easy game to with either. It's usually harder because the setup is designed to not usually allow a high arcing toss.

I've done milk cans where you have to toss a softball at a giant milk can and get the ball to go inside the can. Takes a lot of backspin from an underhand toss where you have to hit the backside of the lid since the opening is barely larger than the ball.

I've won the basketball toss as long as I can use the ball the carnie operator uses when he/she is tossing the ball into the hoop to lure in people. If I can't use the same ball they use, then I don't play that one.

I've done the drawing board and laundry basket game. Where there is a drawing board or easel sitting directly over an open laundry basket. The object is to toss a big ball at the board and have it bounce into the basket. Of course bouncing makes it impossible. So you have to put a lot of backspin on the ball, and underhand the ball with a decent arc to hit the top of the drawing board and have it roll down into the basket below.



Those are the games where I've won in the past with decent prizes. Of course the shooting water faster than your competitors in a "race" style game where there is always a winner is more fun as you have a higher chance of winning.
 
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BudAshes

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You had 1400 dollars in your wallet and give it to a carny? How have you survived this long on this planet?
 

Hearron

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Thanks for clearing some of that up nicolaskl.

Most games these days run a 20-35% stock average, depending on fair/festival size. They know the odds and depending on them will decide how large of a prize to be given.

Most states now days don't allow games of chance or your only allowed to take "x" amount of money per person.

The gambling games were way more profitable I don't know why they ever messed with flat stores.
 

Nebor

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I lost $2 trying to win an angry bird from a crane game yesterday.

I love claw games. If they can be won, I can win them. When I lived in Dallas I'd leave Dave & Busters with a garbage bag full of stuffed animals from the claw machines.