Razer Diamondback Precision Gaming Mouse

[Bojangles139]

hehe, you people who say cordless mice lag and are unfit for FPS's make me laugh.

brandon

Disclaimer: talking about quality cordless, ie mx700, not the generic 10 bux cordless mice

 

[imported_Jackson]

Originally posted by: Jackson
use it on your own risk ! ! !
the value for the 1000Hz : B0 01 73 09 52 8C 0A 01 or B0 01 73 09 52 8C 02 01 (if the original value contains 0A then use 0A, if 02, then 02 use it on your own risk ! ! !

sry, but it's a wrong patch.
i have the correct one, but it's under testing now.
if it"s surely works, i will write it here

 

[VirtualLarry]

So when will they release a Viper with a USB2.0 interface, so that it won't be subject to WinXP's USB1.1 125Hz limitation? Also, my Via KT400/8235's USB ports are PIO-driven for USB 1.1 mode, and DMA-driven for 2.0 mode, so normal USB1.1 mice are very laggy at high levels of CPU utilization, which is another reason that USB2.0 would be useful for me personally.

 

[ZUnit]

Write to them and ask.

 

[dderidex]

How are the side buttons on this mouse?

The few online reviews posted so far seem to indicate that they are difficult to use.

Right now, I'm using a Razer Boomslang (2100 dpi), and am *thinking* about this mouse. I say *thinking*, because to my way of reasoning, it has a couple major flaws:
- Sure looks a HELL of a lot less ergonomic than the Boomslang
- 'Hard to use' side buttons? Side buttons on the Boomslang are a dream - exactly as sensitive as the main ones
- Only 1600 dpi? Boomslang is 2100 dpi, and I have the precision cranked all the way up
- I hear the mouse cable is too small to 'clamp' into a Mouse Bungee. (Corded with Mouse Bungee >>> Cordless)

On the upside (IE., why I'm considering it at all)....ummmm.....don't have to clean out the damn mouse ball rollers every other day.

 

[ZUnit]

Actually i dont use side buttons at all because buttons 5 and 7 is unusable for right handers, possibily because they made so left handers have side buttons to. Button 4 is On-the-fly sensitivity which is very usefull and i dont think +1 mouse button rellay cost disabling On-the-fly sensitivity. Button 6 is usable if game support up to six mouse buttons and no way to make buttons 6 and 7 work if game dont support mouse with 6 or 7 buttons.
I dont think boomslang is much ergonomic but mouse feels damn good, and i like wavy buttons design to.
What for 2100 dpi vs 1600 you have to consider you want to use mouse with ball or optical sensor.
I dont know i dont use Mouse Bungee, but i never had problems with cord with this or any other corded mouse, but yeah cord is thin.

 

[dderidex]

Well, unless they made a radical departure in the drivers, the 'on-the-fly-sensitivity' button can also double as a regular mouse button. In the driver, you select the 'Advanced...' option for that button. This brings up a new window where you can select two different functions for the button - 'on-the-fly sensitivity' and something else (I use 'Win 2000 control' for it). When you just tap it, it's just a button. If you hold it down and use the scroll wheel, it's 'on-the-fly sensitivity'.

I agree, I would definately hate to be without that in a game.

Sounds disappointing about the side buttons on it, though. The side buttons on both sides of the Boomslang are *easily* accessible and usable. I regularly map game functions to both sides, they are really quite simple to use.

Hmmm...things to think about.

 

[ZUnit]

Originally posted by: dderidex
Well, unless they made a radical departure in the drivers, the 'on-the-fly-sensitivity' button can also double as a regular mouse button. In the driver, you select the 'Advanced...' option for that button. This brings up a new window where you can select two different functions for the button - 'on-the-fly sensitivity' and something else (I use 'Win 2000 control' for it). When you just tap it, it's just a button. If you hold it down and use the scroll wheel, it's 'on-the-fly sensitivity'.

I try that but its not much use of this function because its on "button up" not when u press it down. For example it cant be "+forward" command in game or something else.

I can tell you i dont miss side buttons at all (meybe because my previous mouse did not have em to?) mouse works very well.

 

[imported_Jackson]

Originally posted by: Jackson

Originally posted by: Jackson
use it on your own risk ! ! !
the value for the 1000Hz : B0 01 73 09 52 8C 0A 01 or B0 01 73 09 52 8C 02 01 (if the original value contains 0A then use 0A, if 02, then 02 use it on your own risk ! ! !

sry, but it's a wrong patch.
i have the correct one, but it's under testing now.
if it"s surely works, i will write it here

so, i tried it.
B0 01 73 09 52 8D 02 01 - this is works under xp sp2 with Mx500.
i will buy my Razer DB tomorrow, so 1ms polling will works under winXP

 

[Mem]

Just received my Diamondback ,initial impressions are very good,it`s very light compared to my MX1000, and very resposive,I`ve not tried it in games yet which`s the next stage,setup was simple enough even when the drivers are not WHQL for XP.


The side buttons are nice and soft to click,unlike the reviews where they said side buttons required quite a bit of effort,only downside is if you`re right handed like me,then the side buttons on right side are very hard to use with your fingers on your right hand,so in practice it`s really a 5 button mouse(in the real world for gaming) ,this also would be the case for the left side for left handed gamers.

Anyway more feedback later after I`ve put it through some serious gaming.

Btw I`m using a mouse bungee,it just about fits in,the cord is thinner then my Logitech,anyway you can use some tape wrapped round the cord to make it a snug fit in the mouse bungee if you get problems.

 

[ZUnit]

Originally posted by: Jackson

Originally posted by: Jackson

Originally posted by: Jackson
use it on your own risk ! ! !
the value for the 1000Hz : B0 01 73 09 52 8C 0A 01 or B0 01 73 09 52 8C 02 01 (if the original value contains 0A then use 0A, if 02, then 02 use it on your own risk ! ! !

sry, but it's a wrong patch.
i have the correct one, but it's under testing now.
if it"s surely works, i will write it here

so, i tried it.
B0 01 73 09 52 8D 02 01 - this is works under xp sp2 with Mx500.
i will buy my Razer DB tomorrow, so 1ms polling will works under winXP

Tried under this under XP, same thing mouse dont start at all. And other 1000hz patch under 2000, here mouse starts fine, but mouseratechecker shows only 500 Hz, so i think its hardware dont allow it to go faster.
But anyway 1 ms and 2 ms there is not much difference.

 

[dderidex]

EDIT: nevermind, found what you guys are talking about.

CPL forums actually linked a utility to change that setting for you. They note in the link that only the Razer Diamondback *can* work at 1000hz, nothing else will. 500hz is recommended.

 

[ZUnit]

Man i will try that util, but i telling you it cant go faster than 500 i try this under 2000 and xp already !!!

 

[MentolovBurek]

Hi folx (my first post here).

Just one question.. Is there a similar utility for win2000, and would there be any problems, if i used the utility for XP?

 

[bhanson]

I may give this mouse a try, but after the previous products I have owned from Razer, I doubt I will.

Boomslang 2100? I could not use that thing for 10 seconds without it skipping! Gaming Mouse? Yeah right.

I'll stick with my MX510.

 

[ZUnit]

There is utility for 2000 and i can send it to your email. I amnot sure (currently got only mouse working through usb port), but there may be problems with other usb devices if you use usb hack, you can get more info here.

To bhanson i have never used boomslang, how can it skipp if its ball mouse maybe you should use it on surface sufficent for ball mouses or clean it some time.
But as far as it goes to DB, it have same spec as mx510 so there could be no skipping difference between this two mouses. Its theoretically, but practically, i use mouse on low and high sens and yet noticed no single time it skip.

Only feel cheated because it cant go 1000Hz (1 ms), but still trying to get more info on that from razer.

 

[dderidex]

Originally posted by: bhanson
I may give this mouse a try, but after the previous products I have owned from Razer, I doubt I will.

Boomslang 2100? I could not use that thing for 10 seconds without it skipping! Gaming Mouse? Yeah right.

I'll stick with my MX510.

LOL - yeah, I was going to say. Boomslang 2100 *can't* skip - it's physically impossible, it's a ball mouse. If you don't clean the rollers every other day, it might 'stick', but it cannot skip.

Sure you installed the drivers properly?

I mean, I've used an MX510 AND a Boomslang 2100. It's a night and day difference, like going from a GeForce 2 to a GeForce 6800 or something. Of course, if you search hard enough on the forums, you'll find people who also complain that they did a similar upgrade and the new card was 'slower'. In short, it IS an upgrade, it wins in every spec, if you find it less responsive - that's user error and nothing else.

Some have complained that it is TOO responsive for them - and that's certainly a valid complaint. And that it's a pain to have to clean the wheel well - and that's also a valid complaint. But to argue that the MX510 is more accurate is just ignorant bias - the MX510 is inferior in every single measurable way. If you don't find it so, you did something wrong.

 

[ZUnit]

Btw all saying how with 1600 dpi mouse or 2100 dpi mouse cursor runs faster, but i kinda even missiong some sens in games.
I prefer low sens in games settings and high sens in drivers since it dont cause skipping in game (skipping caused by game when you increase sensetivity if you dont know that try fov 15 and sensetivity 10 in cs:s and move mouse then change sens to 1 and you'll see what i am talking about).
Maybe i should try using mousepad instead of plain table before claiming that or i did not really care to check what my old mouse is capable of before i upgraded, i think i make comparition tomorrow.

 

[dderidex]

Originally posted by: ZUnit
Maybe i should try using mousepad instead of plain table before claiming that or i did not really care to check what my old mouse is capable of before i upgraded, i think i make comparition tomorrow.

Ummmm....yeah.

Why on earth would you spend a fraction of this on a mouse without FIRST having a quality mousepad?

Definately, DEFINATELY do not use the table. And don't use a crappy clothe mousepad, either. The cheapest 'quality' mousepad I've seen is a RatpadzGS. It's enough to get you hooked on decent mousepads, but they wear out after a few months of heavy usage, so you'll probably want an Icemat or Steelpad by then.

 

[bhanson]

Originally posted by: ZUnit
There is utility for 2000 and i can send it to your email. I amnot sure (currently got only mouse working through usb port), but there may be problems with other usb devices if you use usb hack, you can get more info here.

To bhanson i have never used boomslang, how can it skipp if its ball mouse maybe you should use it on surface sufficent for ball mouses or clean it some time.
But as far as it goes to DB, it have same spec as mx510 so there could be no skipping difference between this two mouses. Its theoretically, but practically, i use mouse on low and high sens and yet noticed no single time it skip.

Only feel cheated because it cant go 1000Hz (1 ms), but still trying to get more info on that from razer.

Ironically enough you're telling me that I am not using a proper mousing surface based on speculation, when you are using a table for your very own!

Originally posted by: dderidex

Originally posted by: bhanson
I may give this mouse a try, but after the previous products I have owned from Razer, I doubt I will.

Boomslang 2100? I could not use that thing for 10 seconds without it skipping! Gaming Mouse? Yeah right.

I'll stick with my MX510.

LOL - yeah, I was going to say. Boomslang 2100 *can't* skip - it's physically impossible, it's a ball mouse. If you don't clean the rollers every other day, it might 'stick', but it cannot skip.

Sure you installed the drivers properly?

I mean, I've used an MX510 AND a Boomslang 2100. It's a night and day difference, like going from a GeForce 2 to a GeForce 6800 or something. Of course, if you search hard enough on the forums, you'll find people who also complain that they did a similar upgrade and the new card was 'slower'. In short, it IS an upgrade, it wins in every spec, if you find it less responsive - that's user error and nothing else.

Some have complained that it is TOO responsive for them - and that's certainly a valid complaint. And that it's a pain to have to clean the wheel well - and that's also a valid complaint. But to argue that the MX510 is more accurate is just ignorant bias - the MX510 is inferior in every single measurable way. If you don't find it so, you did something wrong.

Skip/stick, whatever, I think you know perfectly well in the context what I mean. To clear this up, I'll clarify. Skip: not tracking, or responding properly to the input given.

The Boomslang 2100 did feel pretty good for what I would classify normal activities, as long as I did not have extremely quick motions it tracked fine. Albeit the mouse is a bit uncomfortable for me, for non-gaming tasks it would work just fine. The mouse would bite me in the rear however, when turning 180s specifically in games. I use a 12 inch 360 in most games.

I am not ignorant enough to state that the MX510 is the BEST mouse. However in my circumstances and the experience that I have, it IS the best mouse for me. That is what matters, you're trying to argue that a pickup truck is better than a car.

Who knows, maybe the mouse that I got was a dud? That?s right though, who knows?

 

[YBS1]

bhanson, This was always one of the main quality control issues with the Boomslangs. The rollers on some of them would tend to get into a "bind" of sorts. If you still have your Boomslang and want to give it a try there is a "fix", you don't really have anything to lose if you still have it and don't use it currently. There is a small spring located behind the small "wheel" roller that compresses the ball into the two tracking rollers, you'd need to take apart the mouse to remove it. At each end of this spring there are tightly wound coils, with the middle being loosely wound. Using a set of fingernail clippers or other suitable instrument cut a very small amount of one end off (I'm talking like ~2 coils, meaning about the width of a human hair or two), caution is always wise so better to take off too little than too much, you can always take a bit more off if needed. Yes, this is a pain in the ass and it would be better if this wasn't a problem to begin with. However, there is a reason people would bother with this in the first place...The mouse (when working right) is simply that good.

I really need to order a Diamondback, currently using a Viper which I prefer to everything except the Boomslang and at least on paper the DB addresses all of the shortcoming the Viper has to the Boomslang.

 

[bhanson]

That could very well be the issue, YBS1, if I still had it I'd give it a shot. I'll keep that in mind though in the future.

 

[ZUnit]

Originally posted by: bhansonIronically enough you're telling me that I am not using a proper mousing surface based on speculation, when you are using a table for your very own!

And what's the connection? I dont have any problems using table, just did not decided yet which mouse pad to buy.

Originally posted by: bhansonI am not ignorant enough to state that the MX510 is the BEST mouse. However in my circumstances and the experience that I have, it IS the best mouse for me. That is what matters, you're trying to argue that a pickup truck is better than a car.

Well ok stick with what you think is best for you, just dont have to say i dont want to buy razer optical mouse because i had problems with razer ball mouse, sounds kinda stupid dont you agree?
I suggest you to try DB and see if its better for you or not. You can always have 30 day money back if you order from razerzone.com

P.S. I would not compare DB with truck, its more like racing car. MX1000 that's what is truck.

 

[1postwonder]

just a quick question, has any1 tried using the Diamondback with a USB KVM? if so, which USB KVM?

i have emailed their techsupport several times but no reply had been forthcoming.

 

[Rent]

I just received mine today.

My impressions - wow. :Q I need to tweak it a bit more, but as far as precision is concerned, this is probably the most precise mouse I've ever used. It picks of any hint of sudden movements.

I was previously using a MX510/RatpadzGS, now I'm using the DB and their eXactmat. I'm honestly still in a bit of disbelief, but its REALLY good