Razer Diamondback Precision Gaming Mouse

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Mem
What I meant was laser technology has a lot more to offer for the future,IMHO I feel optical technology has reached its peak,sure you can improve specs on DPI and speed but it still uses the not so efficient way of reading/scanning with the LED compared to a laser which is more efficient & also uses less power(another plus point ,especially over cordless optical).

I'd like to see some documentation on that, really, because my understanding was that laser diodes actually consume more power than LEDs. I could be wrong, it could depend completely on the efficiency of the "junction" in the material that they use, that converts current into light.

I'm also not quite sure what you mean by "not so efficient way of reading/scanning with the LED" - my understanding was that the sensor chip itself was basically the same, in terms of optical resolution and imaging scan rate.

Originally posted by: Mem
As to hardcore gamer,how do you define a hardcore gamer?...I game everyday and have used both cordless and corded mice in my time,sure cordless use to be crap few years back but a lot has change since then,if you need a Diamondback mouse to be a good hardcore gamer then there`s something wrong with your gaming or you must have a very crappy mouse.

I don't get it - why wouldn't a serious gamer use the best tools possible at their disposal?

Although, if your point is that players are defined more by their skills than by their tools, I'll agree with you there. A friend of mine who is a hardcore UT player, was once playing online using the "secondary" machine at my place, which was slower and had a crappier mouse, and was still kicking some 'a' online. I was amazed, since that machine's specs generally caused UT to be a bit laggy in general.

Originally posted by: Mem
Also on the USB 8ms polling rate,personally I think the ping latency with online gaming servers is more of a factor in gaming then the polling rate,since ping latency can vary quite a lot even on good servers(as any online gamer knows),however give credit where credit is due, Razer have tried to reduce the USB lag with the Diamondback,personally I`ve never had a problem with USB lag,server lag well that`s a different story .

Well, when playing, you *can* tell the difference, IMHO, in terms of input lag. Granted, if your local rendering of the shared 3D world updates fast and is lag-free, it doesn't matter if the network connection lags and you die because of it, but every bit helps.

Originally posted by: Mem
Two negative things I did read about on both mice ,one is there`s a known driver issue problem with the Razer diamondback and nforce boards which`ll be corrected with a future driver update

I'm curious what the cause of that is - something to do with NV's USB drivers?

Originally posted by: Mem
Bottom line is MX510/1000 and Razer Diamondback are all more then good enough for gaming.
Btw two things that do help during gaming are a good mouse pad and teflon feet(and don`t forget to clean them now and then,I won`t go into wear and tear),I see too many people buy a good gaming mouse and forget about these two items.

Totally agree - you'll want to keep your equipment in tip-top shape, if you are a "serious" gamer. I often clean out my console-gaming controllers every six months to keep them in the best shape.

 

[FlipFlop]

Regarding the MX 1000

"The resolution is still 800 CPI (Count Per Inch). This is the number of images used in determining the speed of the cursor movement in relation to that of the mouse. The higher the resolution, the shorter the distance the mouse will have to move to produce a given movement of the cursor on the screen. For the MX 1000, then, a maximum of 800 measurements per inch are sent to the computer. The perception then becomes a matter of screen resolution. The higher it is, the slower the mouse will be at a given CPI. To be brief, 800 CPI is only usable at a very high resolution, 1600x1200. Below that, most users will have to lower the speed, which is done via a cursor in the mouse driver program. By default, the cursor is set to approximately 500 CPI. If you want further details on the question."

Read the rest of the article it explains the differnce between laser and optical mice.
http://www.tomshardware.com/co...er/20040924/index.html

Taking bigger surface pictures (1600 dpi) can result in more accuracy, but it also isn't realistic as most of you won't have a mouse actully using that theoretical amount (few actually use 800dpi). The laser offers better quality pictures, and therfore doesn't need to have bigger pictures. It can do more to identitify movements along the surface with its standard picture size, becasue the light source is much better (laser) and allows for beter quality pictures to calculate movement. Having a bigger picture will also increse the ability to determine movement over a surface, but in a completely differnt way.

Essentially the dpi needs to be put into perspective for what it is worth. Yes its an advantage, but not one anyone will every actually see. I would even argue that the laser doesn't even give that much realistic improvement.

I have used all these mice in question, and I like them. If you are worried about gaming worry more about your vid card/processor/memory then your mouse. The MX 5100, MX 700/900, and MX 1000, and the the razor diamond backs. They are all great mice, and you should get one that is comfortable for you to use.

 

[ZUnit]

Originally posted by: Mem
Two negative things I did read about on both mice ,one is there`s a known driver issue problem with the Razer diamondback and nforce boards which`ll be corrected with a future driver update

Its fixed with driver update:
3. The incompatibility with the nForce chipset motherboard in the prior version (4.0.0.2) has been fixed.

 

[EngenZerO]

my horizontal scroll works for my mx1000.

 

[masterxfob]

you nerds are making baby Jesus cry! STFU and get a life already.

zunit - imho, you should be spending more time learning the english language than researching a mouse.

 

[ZUnit]

Dont whine flamer.

 

[OMG1Penguin]

ugly mouse, sweet benchmark

 

[imported_shaft]

im just glad there is an alternative for us left handed people.
I woudl be happy to buy a mouse from ms or logitech if they made a left handed mouse with a side thumb button. Most of their symetrical mice are shit, with no features.
I own a boomslang now, but i am unhappy with having a mouse with a ball.

I preordered a diamondback.

 

[KoolDrew]

It seems like a good mouse but I do not really like the design. I like my MX510

 

[JanGroothuijse]

It seems like a good mouse but I do not really like the design. I like my MX510

That is one of the only things being said here that acualy does make sense.

1.People who think this kind of mice are way to expensive and not worth it: U should not have clicked this thread so go back to your ut auto-aim and give those bots hell.

2.People who are ignorant, let me tell you, if you think dpi does not make a diffirence, go start quake 3 arena put /cg_fov 5 and /sensitivity 50 now you will see the (if you move your mouse) the effect of very very very low dpi, so, a gamer becomes insatntly more precise wenn a higher DPI mouse is connected, cause then you can set your sensitivity lower, making you smallest movement shorter, and making sure you can rail/snipe,schock at long range in dm, ctf, bombing run (wich is fun in instagib) or whatever.

3.the design of the Viper can not be used by anyone, its a matter of taste, of getting used to, i am used to my viper, so wenn i come over to a friend and hold his big bulky mx510 (red or blue, doesnt matter) i think, mg that is a HUGE thing, thank god i dont have to move that thing around wen i am gaming at home.

4.I Hate assymetric mice, i got the feeling i dont know where the middel of the mouse is, where i have to move it, how i can turn without moving, and how to move whitout turning, so, if more people will begin to realise it sux, perhaps one day, all left handed people can buy any mouse they want, and any mouse can be held and used by everyone.....

 

[ZUnit]

I already ordered mine shoule be here begining of next week.

 

[Mem]

I already ordered mine shoule be here begining of next week.

I`m thinking of trying one,my MX1000 is awesome and fits like a glove ,no lag but does slow me down a bit in gaming due to the weight even with teflon feet,do I try a Diamondback or wait for a corded version of the MX1000,I`m not sure,good job I`ve more then one PC so I can have a different mouse on each PC .

 

[erikistired]

that mouse is still sexy.

 

[imported_Jackson]

greetings from hungary

I own an Mx500 now, but I pre-ordered a Razer DB, maybe I can buy it next week.
So why I change my 6 months old Mx500 to a DB w "only" 2 years of warranty?
Because I'm a half-pro player, and I need pro hardware. Mx500/510 are pro gaming mice, but Razer's DiamondBack is the pro's pro

if u feel difference between an "optical" mouse and an Mx-series mouse, you should feel the difference between Mx and the DB.... other example: u want to buy a gamer pad ( steel, func, corepad, icemat etc., etc... ), do u need it anyway? u can score high frags w a simple mouse pad cost at 2 dollars... But u want the best gamer pad for your mouse.

and I want the best mouse for my Corepad.... that's why I sell my Mx500, and buy a Razer DiamondBack.

gg hf:

 

[ZUnit]

Originally posted by: JacksonSo why I change my 6 months old Mx500 to a DB w "only" 2 years of warranty?
Because I'm a half-pro player, and I need pro hardware. Mx500/510 are pro gaming mice, but Razer's DiamondBack is the pro's pro

Not like mouse will make you PRO player, but youself should do this, but its very good mouse i can say from my 24h experience with it. Guarantee is 2 years? i really did not even know there is one.

I got my DiamondBack Chammelion Green yesterday, its looks like average size mouse with 2 big buttons i never think it will look like this by pictures i sow on the net. But its looks beutifull and ergonomics is good.
When i move mouse very fast from one side of my table to another, there is no skipping or mouse cursor dont run to top or button of screen, same in FPS games it turns very smooth. Also you can change sensetivity of X and Y axis in driver and this is usefull since right now i use pad with wirst rest and its kinda blocking my Y axis movement so i increased sens on Y 1:2 plus it can easily be ajusted in games with On-The-Fly sensetivity.

But strange even on max sensetivity 10 in razer driver and middle in windows mouse dont move very fast as some reviews say it should move very fast because of 1600 dpi, it moves as fast as my old optical mouse, except not that precise.

 

[cirthix]

i love my old logitech trackball

 

[imported_Jackson]

Guarantee is 2 years? i really did not even know there is one.

yes, 2 years limited at razer's homepage

i use USB hack @ 500Hz(2ms) now w my Mx500 under winXP, but if I get my DB nextweek, i'd like to try it on 1000Hz (real 1 ms polling rate ). Can you check it? maybe USB will fail, but if u have a ps2 mouse, there will be no problem to recover the usbport.sys file to the original when in safe mode. (maybe u have to reinstall mobo's chipset/usb drivers)

i own a Corepad too, should i need skatez, or the teflon feet will do the same job?

 

[ZUnit]

Well i did not try 1000 MGz hack under XP yet, since i dont know value for it, but 500 Hz hack works just fine.
Also there is some problem and under 2000 it gives only 124 Hz :/ by default, i already emailed support about this.
I would go for Skatez or something simular if they dont affect mouse movement, because teflon feet will wear off someday maybe half of year (i already see little scratches on them after 24 hours running on my table), but anyway, i secured my mouse feet with scotch and because of it i cant move it on my table anymore, mousepad works fine, but again i got really small mousepad with wrist rest, looking into buying Func some time soon.
Well if usb fail you should have no problem recover it with your keyboard under safe mode

 

[imported_Jackson]

use it on your own risk ! ! !
the value for the 1000Hz : B0 01 73 09 52 8C 0A 01 or B0 01 73 09 52 8C 02 01 (if the original value contains 0A then use 0A, if 02, then 02 use it on your own risk ! ! !

 

[imported_Jackson]

I'll be back at 5 or 6 pm

 

[ZUnit]

To bad mouse just wont start with 1000Hz patch back to 500Hz works just fine.

 

[imported_Jackson]

I am sad to hear that... next weeik i'll be here if I tried it... thx

 

[oogabooga]

reminds me of the original razer's which i wanted to buy, but i' think my next two mice will be an intellimouse explorer w/ tilt wheel, and an mx1000 (or another mx300).

 

[Mem]

I`ve ordered a Razer Diamondback mouse,so I`ll let you know how it compares to the MX1000 (which IMHO is still the best cordless gaming mouse).

I`ve read from a few places that Logitech are bringing out a new laser corded mouse,no more info at this time.

 

[ZUnit]

Originally posted by: Mem
I`ve ordered a Razer Diamondback mouse,so I`ll let you know how it compares to the MX1000 (which IMHO is still the best cordless gaming mouse).

I`ve read from a few places that Logitech are bringing out a new laser corded mouse,no more info at this time.

Its hardly be 1600 dpi, anyway i am happy with my DB mouse.