Ray Lewis retiring.

[JD50]

LT (they changed the rules because of him, 12 times), Darrell Green (greatest CB), Joe Green (scariest motherfucker to ever wear a football uniform), Singletary (smartest LB in history, 147 IQ), Deacon Jones (evil incarnate and recorded >50 sacks in just two seasons).

The key word was "all around." You can make a case for LT over Ray, but Ray did what he did and ran the defense. His defense was dominant for over a decade, and in 2000 was arguably the greatest defense ever.

Darrell Green, Joe Green, and Singletary? Uhh... no. You must be a steelers fan or just have an axe to grind. Especially judging by your "shitty human being" comment.

 

[SP33Demon]

I agree. When the other team is double-triple teaming you, running the offense the opposite way to avoid you, the league changes the rules to negatively impact one, etc. one's stats aren't going to reflect that person's impact. But fortunately, many recognized it and named LT NFL MVP.

Based on stats, I think 90% of defensive players are better than Vince Wilfork.

It's well known that offenses have been scheming around Ray Lewis since 2000, where have you been? Last week, Schlereth said his team would send 3 guys at Lewis and nobody was able to block him. Jason Taylor said the same thing, that his team would scheme their offense in preparation of Lewis. He simply shut down the short passing and run game because of his speed and uncanny tackling ability. The Ravens top 5 Defense of 15 years is proof.

Only a homer would say that 3 seasons of solo tackles in someone's prime are not a big deal and that assisted tackles are just as important. For every 4 solo tackles that Lewis made, Fletcher has 3. That's a pretty big deal when added up over 14 seasons, not even getting into the INT and sack rates per game. Nobody in our lifetime will ever match Lewis' solo tackle, INT, and sack rates per game collectively. If they do, then they will be named the greatest ever.

 

[MagickMan]

The key word was "all around." You can make a case for LT over Ray, but Ray did what he did and ran the defense. His defense was dominant for over a decade, and in 2000 was arguably the greatest defense ever.

Darrell Green, Joe Green, and Singletary? Uhh... no. You must be a steelers fan or just have an axe to grind. Especially judging by your "shitty human being" comment.

Huh? D. Green was a beloved patriot and Singletary was a Bear. 🙄 All the guys I listed were more talented than ol' Ray. I've been a Broncos fan for over 35 years. Hell, Al Wilson, before he was injured, was a better LB than Lewis.

As for Lewis being a shitty person. He only murdered some people, that's all. Hell, he's practically a saint.

 

[SP33Demon]

Huh? D. Green was a beloved patriot and Singletary was a Bear. 🙄 All the guys I listed were more talented than ol' Ray. I've been a Broncos fan for over 35 years. Hell, Al Wilson, before he was injured, was a better LB than Lewis.

As for Lewis being a shitty person. He only murdered some people, that's all. Hell, he's practically a saint.

He didn't murder anyone. He wouldn't snitch on his buddies, hence the obstruction of justice charge. In any case, his buddies were acquitted so it didn't matter. Whether he protected a murderer or not we'll never know, but we do know that he cut off contact with those guys after the incident and that it inspired him even more. If you think this makes him a shitty person for not snitching then more power to you. Then again, the common person who hasn't been exposed to an urban environment will never understand the code of the streets. The Wire will give you a good example of what happens to snitches.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

He didn't murder anyone. He wouldn't snitch on his buddies, hence the obstruction of justice charge. In any case, his buddies were acquitted so it didn't matter. Whether he protected a murderer or not we'll never know, but we do know that he cut off contact with those guys after the incident and that it inspired him even more. If you think this makes him a shitty person for not snitching then more power to you. Then again, the common person who hasn't been exposed to an urban environment will never understand the code of the streets. The Wire will give you a good example of what happens to snitches.

Where's the suit and why was it missing? If anything it just shows how idiots such as yourself are willing to overlook heinous crimes because they are legendary football players. See OJ.

 

[CLite]

LT isn't even in the top 20 in LB takeaways, and 3 FF's for an entire career (they all came in his final year) is pathetic for a defensive player. Yes, he was a sack machine but not even the best one in history (Reggie). What statistical records does he hold, and did he hold any when he retired? None. He's not the greatest ever because he never broke any records. You can't dub somebody the greatest of all time when they aren't the greatest at anything. Ray Lewis broke records. Fastest to the 20/20 club, fastest to the 30/30 club, and only 40/30 club member. That's revolutionizing the game with a physical specimen that has never been seen before and stamping the game with a record that could stand for generations.

I love it when nerds try to talk sports.

I love when nerds call other people nerds only to trot out numbers without any real appreciation of the game. First of all educate yourself on when sacks started counting, 1982, LT had 9.5 *unofficial* sacks in 1981 that did not count. Also, the people ahead of him are DE's.

You need to educate yourself about the development of the outside linebacker. Ray Lewis followed in the steps of giants in middle linebacker, a role he played phenomenally and without equal in my opinion. LT created the current outside linebacker, in recent history no single person has had a bigger impact on the way defenses and offenses interact. You are displaying amazing ignorance by just trotting out a bunch of stats.

 

[Ausm]

He had a great career and I'm glad he won't be playing against my team anymore. 🙂

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Rip to the guys that were murdered in cold blood on the street.

 

[SP33Demon]

Where's the suit and why was it missing? If anything it just shows how idiots such as yourself are willing to overlook heinous crimes because they are legendary football players. See OJ.

Who knows? He clearly got rid of it because it linked him to his friends that night, whether they did it or not - it's a smart move. He obviously wanted to distance himself as much as possible from those guys after such an event. You'd do the same thing, get rid of any evidence that tied you to those morons since forensics can pick up skin/hair DNA on your clothes.

If you read the testimony, Lewis said he actually wanted to leave but his one friend got involved then the other got out of the limo to go help.

HOWARD: Were you going to leave without the people that came with you?
LEWIS: Whoever wasn't in the limo was going to be left.
HOWARD: And why were you going to leave, Mr. Lewis?
LEWIS: Because I was the same one trying to stop the fight.
[and when they got in the limo, Lewis said he said -]
LEWIS: It was just out of frustration, me saying that, you know, everybody is tripping, you know what I'm saying, everybody just shut the f*ck up and just -- because you're tripping, that's what I said.

Link to Ray's testimony

Most likely one of his idiot friends stabbed the guys and Lewis didn't snitch, especially because they were attacked (friend was hit in the head with a champagne bottle) first by the gang. Sweeting even told Lewis he was punching with a knife in his hand, so most likely one of his friends did it.

If that makes Ray a horrible person for not snitching, then go for it. If my buddies were attacked first by a gang that had guns and outnumbered 2:1 with women in the car, then you do what you have to do to survive, which includes using a knife to get out of it alive. There are no rules on the street. I wouldn't call him a heinous person for not snitching, but his taste in friends at the time could have been called heinous.

 

[SP33Demon]

Rip to the guys that were murdered in cold blood on the street.

Yes, RIP to two of the "Ohio 10" gang that were packing heat, outnumbered them 2:1, and then attacked Lewis's friend by hitting him over the head with a champagne bottle in the street. Such courageous gang members they were.

Darwinism at its finest. Lewis's crew (which included 2 girls) should be lucky they at least had knives or they were all going home in a bodybag that night. Lewis's friend shouldn't have been stabbing people but given the situation, he probably feared for his life and the Ohio 10 gang shouldn't have assaulted Lewis's friend first. I don't have any sympathy for gang members who walk around with illegal guns thinking they're invincible and intentionally hurting others.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Snitches get stitches.

 

[SP33Demon]

[snip] Ray Lewis followed in the steps of giants in middle linebacker, a role he played phenomenally and without equal in my opinion.

That was all you had to say.

We are well aware of LT's rookie season sacks, and they are added to his total. Trying to make excuses for LT not setting sack records (but the other guys were DE's!!) is making you look silly. If LT was such a force, they would have put him at DE, ask yourself why they didn't do this... I'm also not debating that LT didn't change the game, he did and he was a force. But he never set any sack records for his era, nor worked as hard as Lewis to hone his skills (just abused drugs), nor had the same leadership ability as Lewis. That's why LT isn't the greatest.

 

[CLite]

That was all you had to say.

We are well aware of LT's rookie season sacks, and they are added to his total. Trying to make excuses for LT not setting sack records (but the other guys were DE's!!) is making you look silly. If LT was such a force, they would have put him at DE, ask yourself why they didn't do this... I'm also not debating that LT didn't change the game, he did and he was a force. But he never set any sack records for his era, nor worked as hard as Lewis to hone his skills (just abused drugs), nor had the same leadership ability as Lewis. That's why LT isn't the greatest.

You are incorrect, they are not added to his total. He would be top 5 and ahead of Michael Strahan if they were added, please do a bit of research before posting.

Questioning his work ethic, and leadership ability is hilarious. Bottom line is that LT is the only linebacker in history to be MVP. No one needs to page through statistics to make an assessment of who made a bigger impact on the game of football.

 

[SP33Demon]

You are incorrect, they are not added to his total. He would be top 5 and ahead of Michael Strahan if they were added, please do a bit of research before posting.

Questioning his work ethic, and leadership ability is hilarious. Bottom line is that LT is the only linebacker in history to be MVP. No one needs to page through statistics to make an assessment of who made a bigger impact on the game of football.

Who cares? Even with his rookie sacks added, he wasn't breaking any records at the time. And you didn't answer my question, if LT was so good at sacking the QB, why wasn't he converted to DE?

Also, to imply that an MVP always = good work ethic and leadership ability is "hilarious". You are joking, right?

 

[SlitheryDee]

Killing someone while driving drunk isn't just an error. It's a deliberate decision to act with callous disregard for other people's lives.

Meh. No one who drives drunk thinks they are going to kill anyone or have an accident at all. No one thinks "I'm dangerously impaired, but I don't care about other people, so fuck it". It's a mistake with huge potential consequences, but still just a mistake.

I see people use your logic all the time though. It's not good enough that the person was stupid and fucked up, they had to be maliciously intending to cause harm as well, or else you can't hate them enough. All you're doing is twisting things to suit the mindset you want to have.

 

[MagickMan]

Where's the suit and why was it missing? If anything it just shows how idiots such as yourself are willing to overlook heinous crimes because they are legendary football players. See OJ.

This, 100%. It's just as bad watching Steelers fans defend Rapistberger.

 

[JD50]

This, 100%. It's just as bad watching Steelers fans defend Rapistberger.

Wow, I hope neither of you ever serve on a jury. Anyone that's even accused of a crime is automatically guilty in your eyes.

 

[JD50]

I love when nerds call other people nerds only to trot out numbers without any real appreciation of the game. First of all educate yourself on when sacks started counting, 1982, LT had 9.5 *unofficial* sacks in 1981 that did not count. Also, the people ahead of him are DE's.

You need to educate yourself about the development of the outside linebacker. Ray Lewis followed in the steps of giants in middle linebacker, a role he played phenomenally and without equal in my opinion. LT created the current outside linebacker, in recent history no single person has had a bigger impact on the way defenses and offenses interact. You are displaying amazing ignorance by just trotting out a bunch of stats.

One thing that I agree with is that there is a big difference in the modern NFL between outside linebackers and inside linebackers. It's almost like comparing a SS to a FS.

 

[MetalMat]

He is a murder that is very sorry for what he did and decided to join Christianity. He knows what he did and he will never hide from that

 

[JD50]

He is a murder that is very sorry for what he did and decided to join Christianity. He knows what he did and he will never hide from that

proof?

 

[preslove]

I hate Ray Lewis because somebody at my church told me that Lewis got his amazing linebacker powers from satanic sacrifices of kittens and white children.