Rather smoke than be a fattie

[momeNt]

I think you missed the point.

Being overweight, BY ITSELF, is unhealthy. Being underweight, BY ITSELF, is not bad, unless you go to the extreme of malnourishment. The article points out that typically the bad part is the drug use, heavy smoking, etc.

Being underweight brings about a higher risk factor for death. Why do you try and contort the argument to be disparaging against fatties?

The facts are.

Underweight patients of all ages (those with a BMI of 18.5 or under) were found to face a 1.8 times greater risk for dying than patients with a normal BMI (between 18.5 and 25.9), the study found.

By contrast, obese patients (those with a BMI between 30 and 34.9) face a 1.2 greater risk for dying than normal-size patients. Severely obese patients -- those with a BMI of 35 or more -- faced a 1.3 times greater risk.

That's not even counting "overweight" patients of 25.9+ BMI.

 

[mnewsham]

Being underweight brings about a higher risk factor for death. Why do you try and contort the argument to be disparaging against fatties?

You're ignoring other factors, someone who habitually uses heroin or meth is going to be much skinnier than someone who doesn't. That will significantly contribute to higher chance of death. So that doesn't mean being skinny = higher chance of death, it means smoking meth and using heroin = higher chance of death. (this is just an example of why that study is flawed)

Do you see what I am saying or are you just being close minded to believe being fat isn't bad?

 

[Train]

Being underweight brings about a higher risk factor for death.

No, it doesn't. It is CORRELATED with higher risk factors, which the article clearly points out.

 

[momeNt]

No, it doesn't. It is CORRELATED with higher risk factors, which the article clearly points out.

The simple fact of the matter is, in the aggregate, if you are underweight, you are more likely to die.

Any type of health study, weight is ALWAYS a correlative factor, so why do you keep bringing it up as if it matters? The only type of weight problem that is going to kill you is if a piano falls on your head.

 

[nehalem256]

The simple fact of the matter is, in the aggregate, if you are underweight, you are more likely to die.

Any type of health study, weight is ALWAYS a correlative factor, so why do you keep bringing it up as if it matters? The only type of weight problem that is going to kill you is if a piano falls on your head.

Because being skinny doesn't make you use meth.

Cause vs. correlation.

 

[momeNt]

Because being skinny doesn't make you use meth.

Cause vs. correlation.

What makes someone fat? Lack of self-control? What made them have lack of self-control? Maybe the same thing that could make someone use meth? So that particular brand of self-control is more damaging to your body when it exhibits itself in meth use vs overeating.

So, what is worse for you? Having risk factors that correlate with being fat? Or having risk factors that correlate with being underweight.

 

[nehalem256]

What makes someone fat? Lack of self-control? What made them have lack of self-control? Maybe the same thing that could make someone use meth? So that particular brand of self-control is more damaging to your body when it exhibits itself in meth use vs overeating.

So, what is worse for you? Having risk factors that correlate with being fat? Or having risk factors that correlate with being underweight.

Using meth is worse than being a fattie no argument there.

The issue is that fatties want to feel like they are better off than naturally skin people who don't use meth.

 

[Train]

What makes someone fat? Lack of self-control? What made them have lack of self-control? Maybe the same thing that could make someone use meth? So that particular brand of self-control is more damaging to your body when it exhibits itself in meth use vs overeating.

So, what is worse for you? Having risk factors that correlate with being fat? Or having risk factors that correlate with being underweight.

Being at lower risk for a car accident because you can't fit out the front door of your house isn't exactly the lower risk factors we should be striving for.

 

[momeNt]

Using meth is worse than being a fattie no argument there.

The issue is that fatties want to feel like they are better off than naturally skin people who don't use meth.

Naturally skinny people? No, not really. If you weight below 18.5, you are sick.

 

[mnewsham]

Naturally skinny people? No, not really. If you weight below 18.5, you are sick.

110-115lbs here. Bullshit, my doctor just says i'm scrawny, all my blood tests come back within normal range and nothing is wrong with me.

 

[Train]

Naturally skinny people? No, not really. If you weight below 18.5, you are sick.

I don't see the word sick in that picture. But there is the word morbid.

Definition of morbid (adj)
mor·bid[ máwrbid ]
1. interested in gruesome subjects: showing a strong interest in unpleasant or gloomy subjects such as death, murder, or accidents
2. grisly: inspiring disgust or horror
3. relating to disease: relating to or resulting in illness

 

[momeNt]

I don't see the word sick in that picture. But there is the word morbid.

Yet, the risk of death is higher, go figure. Maybe they should change it to drastically obese and morbidly underweight. That would actually be more accurate.

 

[mnewsham]

Yet, the risk of death is higher, go figure. Maybe they should change it to drastically obese and morbidly underweight. That would actually be more accurate.

Being skinny IN AND OF ITSELF does not increase your chances of death. Doing hard drugs or having an eating disorder might. Being poor and not able to afford a meal might also contribute to being skinny but having a higher chance of death.

That has nothing to do what we are talking about, which would be an average skinny person who isn't doing meth or homeless and eat the correct amount.

However the simple FACT of being fat, DOES increase your chances of death. Simply being skinny, does not without other contributing factors.

 

[Train]

Yet, the risk of death is higher, go figure. Maybe they should change it to drastically obese and morbidly underweight. That would actually be more accurate.

BECAUSE THE CHANCES ARE THEY GOT THERE BY DOING SOMETHING ALREADY UNHEALTHY LIKE METH.

This point has already been explained. Holy Shit.

It actually says a lot about how rare naturally skinny people actually are in modern society.

 

[momeNt]

Being skinny IN AND OF ITSELF does not increase your chances of death. Doing hard drugs or having an eating disorder might. Being poor and not able to afford a meal might also contribute to being skinny but having a higher chance of death.

That has nothing to do what we are talking about, which would be an average skinny person who isn't doing meth or homeless and eat the correct amount.

However the simple FACT of being fat, DOES increase your chances of death. Simply being skinny, does not without other contributing factors.

Being fat or skinny is a due to a set of factors. Those set of factors lead to a higher rate of death when they are the set of factors that make you skinny. Why do you need to try and extract the essentially insignificant minority of skinny people with sound vitals, and then use that to say, being skinny is better than being fat? There are probably just as many people over the BMI chart that have good health as there are people like you that are underweight but still healthy. So why bother pointing it out?

 

[momeNt]

BECAUSE THE CHANCES ARE THEY GOT THERE BY DOING SOMETHING ALREADY UNHEALTHY LIKE METH.

This point has already been explained. Holy Shit.

It actually says a lot about how rare naturally skinny people actually are in modern society.

Modern society? In ancient society it wasn't even normal to be 5'11 and 120 pounds. If you were you were MALNOURISHED, had an eating disorder, or did whatever drugs were available back then.

And very few people got fat without doing something unhealthy like OVEREATING. Very few people have glandular issues leading to weight gain, probably about the same amount of people who are "naturally skinny" without a help from a dangerous risk factor.

The understanding of risk factors and how they lead to being overweight and underweight is astoundingly low.

 

[mnewsham]

Being fat or skinny is a due to a set of factors. Those set of factors lead to a higher rate of death when they are the set of factors that make you skinny. Why do you need to try and extract the essentially insignificant minority of skinny people with sound vitals, and then use that to say, being skinny is better than being fat? There are probably just as many people over the BMI chart that have good health as there are people like you that are underweight but still healthy. So why bother pointing it out?

Bullshit, compared to me that "healthy" fat person would have higher risk of heart disease, high blood pressure, etc. Just because they are fat.

 

[Train]

Modern society? In ancient society it wasn't even normal to be 5'11 and 120 pounds.

You wanna back that up?

If you were you were MALNOURISHED, had an eating disorder, or did whatever drugs were available back then.

And very few people got fat without doing something unhealthy like OVEREATING. Very few people have glandular issues leading to weight gain, probably about the same amount of people who are "naturally skinny" without a help from a dangerous risk factor.

The understanding of risk factors and how they lead to being overweight and underweight is astoundingly low.

your understanding of basic statistics isn't just low, it's not even there.

 

[momeNt]

You wanna back that up?



your understanding of basic statistics isn't just low, it's not even there.

So you are refuting the findings of the study then? Because I'm simply reiterating the study.

 

[momeNt]

Bullshit, compared to me that "healthy" fat person would have higher risk of heart disease, high blood pressure, etc. Just because they are fat.

Technically speaking, you as a "healthy" skinny person are at risk for all the factors not related to drug use, just for being skinny, the same as a "healthy" fat person is at risk for heart disease, high blood pressure, etc. Just for being fat.

Ever wonder what would happen to you if you were to get sick with something that causes rapid weight loss? Yep, you guessed it, you'd be at higher risk of death.

 

[rsbennett00]

Wow... and I thought most of the smokers were dead by now.

 

[Train]

So you are refuting the findings of the study then? Because I'm simply reiterating the study.

No, I'm asking you to post this study about "ancient times"

 

[Train]

Technically speaking, you as a "healthy" skinny person are at risk for all the factors not related to drug use, just for being skinny,

No, this statement is FACTUALLY incorrect.

 

[momeNt]

No, this statement is FACTUALLY incorrect.

Scientists revealed last week they’d discovered a ‘lean gene’ that puts thin men in danger of developing diabetes.
This is just the latest piece in a growing body of evidence that shows how being skinny can expose people to a range of serious problems.
These include a raised risk of miscarriage, lung disease, male infertility and even death in car accidents.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...disease-Why-skinny-bad-you.html#ixzz37T9uI5We
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How many more facts do you need?

Dr. Toshimi Sairenchi stated that, "Older people who are underweight may need to take care of their poor nutrition status."
To examine the association between underweight and diabetes risk, Sairenchi and colleagues collected information in 1993 from 39,201 men and 88,012 women who were between 40 and 79 years old and who did not have diabetes. They followed the men and women for an average of 5.3 years.
The results suggest that being underweight is associated with about 30 percent excess risk of diabetes, reported Sairenchi, of Dokkyo Medical University in Tochigi, Japan.

source: http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/contact-us/5612-


The car accidents and broken bones is kind of just self-explanatory. Is that a risk factor? Maybe, maybe not, if you are dead because of it I'm sure your family would likely say yes though, which is what is important.

Let's just all accept that being underweight in and of itself does pose a certain set of risks. Because that is what the facts say. Ideally you should be your ideal weight, can't we all agree on that?

 

[njdevilsfan87]

Yup. I'm a fatty. A fat fat fat fatty. A diseased fatty.

Doctors also told me acne wasn't caused by diet. Except when I stopped eating sugary cereal, cookies, chips, ice cream, pizza and etc all day long (even though I never put on any weight), it finally went away?