Rasmussen poll 5/2: Trump 41%, Clinton 39%

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fskimospy

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echo4747 said:
On Chris Matthews it was asked that : If abortion was implied : ILLEGAL.... Donald Trump even if elected pres can not outlaw abortion
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Look above, that's not what he said. He was asked if in principle abortion should be punished and he said yes. He was asked if the woman should be punished and he said yes.

The president appoints SCOTUS justices. They are the only thing that prevents abortion bans.
 
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fskimospy

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Exophase said:
Okay, I can see how that follows. It's really hard to decipher because like a lot of Trump's exchanges it's part of a really long, vague, confusing and rambling mess. The part about it being a response to a hypothetical was how the campaign clarified it later, whether or not that's what he actually meant at the time I really couldn't say.

Trump is actually pretty impressive in how blatant and cavalier he is in his flip-flopping. Not just in his abortion stance, which you could sort of say happened over years, but over a bunch of stuff during the actual election cycle. Like how he throws all of these insults at people when they're his opponents then says they're actually good folks when they drop out or endorse him. And he says straight up it's just politics and not a big deal. So brazen. I wonder how many people actually respect him more because of this insanity.
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It is pretty amazing. I mean just the other day he basically came out and said that he didn't actually mean what he said in his tax plan and that he just wanted to stake out a negotiating position. That's basically saying 'you literally can't trust anything I say I want to do'. So far his supporters don't seem to mind.

Well, in this case (yeah, I know) I actually think the misogyny angle holds some weight. Anti-abortion stances are really old and the "don't punish the woman" line appears to also be very old. It was probably easy to believe that the women were always victims of being tricked or pressured into getting the abortions. That and they don't want to hurt women because they "went through enough" by losing the child - not understanding at all that the women generally wouldn't have seen it that way in the first place.

Another strange argument is that the pro-life movement was always heralded for women, making it pro-women and apparently that's supposed to mean that women shouldn't be punished. Like so:

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/charles-camosy-real-pro-lifers-don-punish-women-article-1.2583258

Of course anyone who is really pro-woman wouldn't want them to get infantilizing special treatment. That article also tries to argue that abortion is a product of male privilege, which is just... yeah.
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That's a good point, one that's actually echoed by Anthony Kennedy in one of his anti-abortion rulings, that women have to be protected from the evils of abortion because they might be sad later.
 
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eskimospy said:
It is pretty amazing. I mean just the other day he basically came out and said that he didn't actually mean what he said in his tax plan and that he just wanted to stake out a negotiating position. That's basically saying 'you literally can't trust anything I say I want to do'. So far his supporters don't seem to mind.
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They dislike anything that "liberals" embrace such as rational thought. As Bill Maher said a week ago, Trump waited quite a while before giving a scripted speech because he didn't want to alienate his base by reading. :D
 
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eskimospy said:
Look above, that's not what he said. He was asked if in principle abortion should be punished and he said yes. He was asked if the woman should be punished and he said yes.

The president appoints SCOTUS justices. They are the only thing that prevents abortion bans.
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punished, very broad term.... could be 5 cents or 5 years. The president does appoint scotus justices only if one dies or steps down. Its possible the next pres may not appoint any justices
 
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Wonders how long Derp Savage Fan, Speedy, and LK and going to run away for after November???
 
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echo4747 said:
punished, very broad term.... could be 5 cents or 5 years. The president does appoint scotus justices only if one dies or steps down. Its possible the next pres may not appoint any justices
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Considering the age of some of the Justices & a two term President, that seems highly unlikely.

You're right about the random nature of who gets to appoint new Justices. Repub Presidents have appointed 12 of the last 16 dating back to Nixon.

Their hot streak went to Hell with Obama. Looks like he'll get three.
 
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werepossum said:
Considering Scott Rasmussen's recent accuracy, I'd say this is pretty good news for Hillary.

That said, certainly Trump can beat Hillary. I just doubt it happens.
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He can beat her, but he has to learn to start his brain before engaging his mouth.
 
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LegendKiller said:
I stand by that a lot of what he does is intentional.
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Of course. It just shows that he's merely a celebrity, not a serious candidate.

When you're a celebrity, all press is good press because it adds to one's celebrity.

Have you considered that this is just the biggest publicity stunt he's ever pulled?
 
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Jhhnn said:
Of course. It just shows that he's merely a celebrity, not a serious candidate.

When you're a celebrity, all press is good press because it adds to one's celebrity.

Have you considered that this is just the biggest publicity stunt he's ever pulled?
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No, it shows that there is a difference between perception and reality. Unfortunately you can't tell the difference. Hence your strict adherence to #imwithher

Have you ever considered her game is for the sole purpose of getting she and her friends more money?
 
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No, it shows that there is a difference between perception and reality. Unfortunately you can't tell the difference. Hence your strict adherence to #imwithher

Have you ever considered her game is for the sole purpose of getting she and her friends more money?
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Sole? What are you talking about dude? She's finally going to get the most powerful position in the world to satisfy her massive ego, the money is just secondary. For someone who's been working towards this for the past 30 years, and was denied by that half-black guy who was uppity enough to run against her in 2008, do you really think money is what is driving her?
 
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LegendKiller said:
No, it shows that there is a difference between perception and reality. Unfortunately you can't tell the difference. Hence your strict adherence to #imwithher

Have you ever considered her game is for the sole purpose of getting she and her friends more money?
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It's not like her lust for money caused her to sponsor & profit from sleazy deals like Trump Baja, is it? Trump university? Declare creative bankruptcy more than once? Live in astoundingly crass opulence atop Trump Towers? Devote her whole life to being obnoxiously wealthy?

If she were a man, do you think she'd be on her third trophy spouse?

Shee-it, Sherlock- Donald's personal jet is worth more than everything the Clintons own.
 
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chucky2 said:
Sole? What are you talking about dude? She's finally going to get the most powerful position in the world to satisfy her massive ego, the money is just secondary. For someone who's been working towards this for the past 30 years, and was denied by that half-black guy who was uppity enough to run against her in 2008, do you really think money is what is driving her?
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Speaking of massive insecure egos, what's up with Donald's hair, anyway?

It's a dead giveaway as to what we're dealing with other than for the willfully blind.
 
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Jhhnn said:
It's not like her lust for money caused her to sponsor & profit from sleazy deals like Trump Baja, is it? Trump university? Declare creative bankruptcy more than once? Live in astoundingly crass opulence atop Trump Towers? Devote her whole life to being obnoxiously wealthy?

If she were a man, do you think she'd be on her third trophy spouse?

Shee-it, Sherlock- Donald's personal jet is worth more than everything the Clintons own.
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No, just giving away 20% of our strategic uranium reserves, sponsoring tpp until bernie hammered her, shady land deals...etc.

You worry about small shit because she dazzles you with her bullshit. Meanwhile she, her husbans, and their ilk are the ones fucking this country over and all you can do is beg for more. Inatead of cheering her on you should be reviling her.

Yes, broke 7 years ago and now worth over a hundred million. Tell me, how does one do that?
 
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fskimospy

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Jhhnn said:
It's not like her lust for money caused her to sponsor & profit from sleazy deals like Trump Baja, is it? Trump university? Declare creative bankruptcy more than once? Live in astoundingly crass opulence atop Trump Towers? Devote her whole life to being obnoxiously wealthy?

If she were a man, do you think she'd be on her third trophy spouse?

Shee-it, Sherlock- Donald's personal jet is worth more than everything the Clintons own.
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LK is very concerned that Hillary might be lying about what she will do once in office. Because of this he is going to support the guy who has already admitted to having repeatedly lied about what he is going to do in office.

There's just no rational argument to be had with him, this is all emotional. Every time I think it might be possible to reason with him I just remember the Lewandowski thread where he thought an audio transcript had been forged as part of a conspiracy against Trump. He's lost it.
 
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eskimospy said:
LK is very concerned that Hillary might be lying about what she will do once in office. Because of this he is going to support the guy who has already admitted to having repeatedly lied about what he is going to do in office.

There's just no rational argument to be had with him, this is all emotional. Every time I think it might be possible to reason with him I just remember the Lewandowski thread where he thought an audio transcript had been forged as part of a conspiracy against Trump. He's lost it.
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You're right, dear leader. As always, hole in one.

http://freegames.org/kim-jong-golf/
 
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eskimospy said:
LK is very concerned that Hillary might be lying about what she will do once in office. Because of this he is going to support the guy who has already admitted to having repeatedly lied about what he is going to do in office.

There's just no rational argument to be had with him, this is all emotional. Every time I think it might be possible to reason with him I just remember the Lewandowski thread where he thought an audio transcript had been forged as part of a conspiracy against Trump. He's lost it.
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You have to understand that when Hillary lies it's because she is a cold, calculating bitch. When Trump lies it is because he is a cold, calculating genius.
 
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